Indian Sourced Stuff

[joeylloyd]

..and so does my rich, PhD indian roommate.

What does him being rich, indian or a PHD student have to do with anything? f*** all I would say.

People can keep backing up these companies all they like but the fact is the original method for making proscar and propecia is patented so these companies can't by definition make an identical product. That is as obvious as it gets.

 

[techprof]

guys do you even know or realize the folowing situation
A product C can be formed from A + B gives C.
India has a patent only for the process and not for the final product.
So if you come up with A + D gives C then it is considered legal in India.

You can't blame them because they are just doing what they can to make profits and it is not illegal. So merck or anyone in this situation will do the same.

WTF with ethics? Merck sold propecia at the same cost as proscar. As long it was legal they could do it.
Indian companies are doing the same. (Doing what they can to make profit provided it is legal locally)

BTW I was on generic finasteride for 1 one year. Moved to genuine finasteride after that for six months. Currently on genuine GSK Dutasteride.

 

[hairwegoagain]

I agree. and so does my rich, PhD indian roommate. Doubting Cipla and Dr Reddy's is rediculous. People should only doubt these websites. I'll settle that very soon. I wish more people had given me more samples from different web sites, but what I have is a decent sample range.

ill be interested to hear your results, college, but as i've said before, just because one batch that you test from these sites is real doesn't mean that all the batches from those sites in the future will be real. the only 100% surefire way to get genuine finasteride and dutasteride every time is to buy from a US pharmacy or a company that has a direct link.

I agree 100%. College - what you're doing is admirable, assuming you're qualified to conduct the test in the first place. Regardless, you are speaking of a single, discrete sample. An "authentic" verdict, even if found by a professionally qualified lab, is far from conclusive.

You'd think with the high emotions running around on this forum that NO ONE would even think to take a risk with their hair treatments. Like Jayman has stated above, and I've stated 'til I'm blue in the face, pay the extra few friggin' bucks and KNOW that you're getting the real thing! I've never seen more whining, bitching, and defensiveness over a handful of dollars - Scaredy-cats that are afraid to go to the doctor. What if you're 12 months down the line with this Indian crap - and you're not seeing any progress? Was it real? Who's to say? You'd KNOW if you went with the bona fide product...and at least know that you're doing everything possible, and correctly. This is not rocket science, guys!

 

[jakeb]

Part of the thing is that finasteride is a little iffy in its obviousness. I really think I've gotten sexual sides from Cipla finasteride, but those things are so hard to nail down.

More convincingly though, I've used both indian azithromycin and modafinil... and those were most definitely legit in their effects.

 

[CCS]

if you guys want US avodart, beaner says you can get a prescription at http://www.medicalwellnesscenter.com and that a wallgreans will fill it. I called walgreens, and the guy was not sure. I just wanted to know if I'd get arrested for trying.

 

[Guest]

I agree. and so does my rich, PhD indian roommate. Doubting Cipla and Dr Reddy's is rediculous. People should only doubt these websites. I'll settle that very soon. I wish more people had given me more samples from different web sites, but what I have is a decent sample range.

ill be interested to hear your results, college, but as i've said before, just because one batch that you test from these sites is real doesn't mean that all the batches from those sites in the future will be real. the only 100% surefire way to get genuine finasteride and dutasteride every time is to buy from a US pharmacy or a company that has a direct link.

I agree 100%. College - what you're doing is admirable, assuming you're qualified to conduct the test in the first place. Regardless, you are speaking of a single, discrete sample. An "authentic" verdict, even if found by a professionally qualified lab, is far from conclusive.

You'd think with the high emotions running around on this forum that NO ONE would even think to take a risk with their hair treatments. Like Jayman has stated above, and I've stated 'til I'm blue in the face, pay the extra few friggin' bucks and KNOW that you're getting the real thing! I've never seen more whining, bitching, and defensiveness over a handful of dollars - Scaredy-cats that are afraid to go to the doctor. What if you're 12 months down the line with this Indian crap - and you're not seeing any progress? Was it real? Who's to say? You'd KNOW if you went with the bona fide product...and at least know that you're doing everything possible, and correctly. This is not rocket science, guys!

this is why if i add dutas to my regimen i will be sticking with my authentic finasteride. because i know then at least that the finasteride will be real. but $150 a year for 3x a week of generic avodart is too cheap to pass up.

 

[beaner]

if you guys want US avodart, beaner says you can get a prescription at http://www.medicalwellnesscenter.com and that a wallgreans will fill it. I called walgreens, and the guy was not sure. I just wanted to know if I'd get arrested for trying.

It's a valid prescription from a real doctor. There should be no problem filling it at any pharmacy and you certainly wouldn't be arrested for trying.

 

[ram_in_md]

Been On Finpecia 2 years now

Just thought I would add my 2 cents worth. I have been on Finpecia by Cipla for almost 2 years now. I use it along with Tricomin and Nizoral. It definitely has slowed down my hair loss significantly. You can check my previous posts on this site. This is where I first posted when I started losing my hair and was paranoid and I have posted a few times after that with the results on my regimen. Provided, you can get your supply from an authentic distributor, the drugs are legit. Cipla is a $300+ million dollar company and from what I understand produces AIDS medicines and some other drugs that are approved by various international organizations including the FDA.

I think at the end of the treatment is as much about the mental outlook as it is the drug itself. If someone is not sure they want to take generic finasteride, then they should by all means get Propecia and shell out the few extra dollars for peace of mind. But if you are living within a budget (as most of us are) then, generica are definitely not a bad alternative.

 

[Guest]

ram, no one doubts the authenticity of cipla prodcuts. what some people are concerned with is that some of the sites online may be selling fake ripoffs of finpecia and fincar.

 

[CCS]

well, no one except hairwegoagain with his statements about finASSteride.

That still has me laughing. That guy really can liven this board up when it gets dull.

 

[Guest]

yeah, he excepted then.

 

[Felk]

if you guys want US avodart, beaner says you can get a prescription at http://www.medicalwellnesscenter.com and that a wallgreans will fill it. I called walgreens, and the guy was not sure. I just wanted to know if I'd get arrested for trying.

It's a valid prescription from a real doctor. There should be no problem filling it at any pharmacy and you certainly wouldn't be arrested for trying.

I dunno, that site seemed pretty "dodge" to me. Here's why...

"# Avodart is as SAFE as Propecia, but Avodart is MORE effective.
# Avodart is the FIRST & ONLY FDA-approved drug that inhibits both Type I & Type II 5-alpha reductase
# Propecia only inhibits Type II 5 alpha reductase"

 

[CCS]

They're not dodgy, they just don't know as much as bryan does.

 

[CCS]

if the drugs pass the tests with flying colors (no impurities, etc) then that would strongly suggest that the drugs I have did come from cipla, or at least a factory that is as capable. Then, if drugs in india are so cheap, and it is possible to get drugs from Cipla and sell them on the net, why would a pharmacy not sell them here and make a huge profit? I see no motive to sell fakes. Fakes are bing made, and are in US pharmacies now, though less than 10%. It is a big problem. I just think that expensive drugs are more likely to be faked.

 

[Felk]

They're not dodgy, they just don't know as much as bryan does.

It's just worded dodgily. All for marketing purposes.

It's as safe as propecia in terms of side effects in the short term.

And it's FDA approved, yes, but not for hair loss!

All for sales, not like a real doctor prescription at all, this is people's health they're buying.

 

[beaner]

They're not dodgy, they just don't know as much as bryan does.

It's just worded dodgily. All for marketing purposes.

It's as safe as propecia in terms of side effects in the short term.

And it's FDA approved, yes, but not for hair loss!

All for sales, not like a real doctor prescription at all, this is people's health they're buying.

I agree actually, but are you aware that doctors prescribe certain drugs to patients simply because they get kickbacks from the drug companies? I have two friends in the field...one used to be a drug rep and now is a physician assistant and the other is also a physician assistant. They've both told me that doctors often prescribe drugs to patients, not because it is necessarily the best drug to use for the condition (or even necessary for that matter) but simply because of the perks they get for doing so...anything from monetary kickbacks right down to free lunches. My friend interned in a physician office for a month and said he ate lunch every day gratis of the drug reps that visited.

 

[Felk]

I agree with that as well.

However good doctors don't do that. my house is full of free medical advertising stuff - gym balls, calculators, pens, flash drives, models etc, all with a brand name of a drug on them, due to doctors in the family. However they never take it into consideration when prescribing the drugs to their patients, they just accept the stuff anyway

 

[beaner]

But "good" doctors will do that. For example...a patient comes into the office with a severe sinus infection that needs an antibiotic. Now the doctor can prescribe antibiotic A or antibiotic B. Both come from the same class and for all intents and purposes do the same thing...one is really no better than the other for this condition. Which one will the doctor prescribe? The one that is going to benefit him in some way of course. He is not doing anything that can be considered unethical because given the choice of drugs they are essentially the same and neither offers a greater risk nor a greater benefit than the other. I'm not saying a good doctor would do this if it would put the patient at risk in anyway, but in cases similar to what I've mentioned, why not?

 

[Felk]

Oh yeah, sure i agree, in that situation.

But maybe its just in australia, but most of the advertising from "drug reps" is just given to the doctors, so they can leave it around the surgery. Ie tissue holders, stationery, office stuff. The doctor isn't under any obligation to do anything with it, apart form accept it. The drug reps want the doctors to use it so they get advertising.

So... some doctors just take it home Then you base your diagnosis as you should, on what will be best for the patient.

 

[beaner]

Oh yeah, sure i agree, in that situation.

But maybe its just in australia, but most of the advertising from "drug reps" is just given to the doctors, so they can leave it around the surgery. Ie tissue holders, stationery, office stuff. The doctor isn't under any obligation to do anything with it, apart form accept it. The drug reps want the doctors to use it so they get advertising.

So... some doctors just take it home Then you base your diagnosis as you should, on what will be best for the patient.

If it came down to only stationary and tissue holders... I of course can't speak for Australia, not even anywhere outside of my own little Anyhicktown USA world....but I've heard of doctors getting actual $$$$ benefits for writing prescriptions for certain medications..mostly new ones that are probably no better than ones already in use. So you can imagine a doctor who runs a high traffic urgent care center or general practice multi-physician office gets 10 dollars in kickback cash for every prescription of drug A the office writes and is filled...this can certainly add up.