in 20 years?

[andrei_eremenko]

do you think that in 20 years this site will be available? because till then a cure maybe will be available...

 

[karlg]

Probobly, but i doubt there will be a `cure` as such within 20 years. To cure male pattern baldness with say, a will or injection or whatever wouldnt be profitiable, so why would any large medical or pharmicutical company invest the money in such a venture?

What will most likely happen is a pretty much complete, and effective treatment such as HM for example, which (and im not 100% on this fact btw) would require a top up now and then as your system goes to work on the new hair. Now ive read that treatments such as this would need top ups however, surely if they are cloning hairs, and they only choose the DHT resistant hairs to clone, they wouldnt fall out. Although they arent just cloning a hair and plugging it back into your head are they, they are forming new DP cells which develop into new hair.

But that aside, when such a treatment becomes avaliable, it may not be cost effective enough for some people, some people may not want to go down that route for religious or ethical reasons or whatever, some people may just really not need it and propecia and minoxidil will work fine for them considering the cost difference.

 

[reckless]

Who knows what will happen in the next few years but eventually they will easily cure baldness.

It reminds me of a scene in Star Trek 4 when the crew go back in time to the 1980s where some woman is suffering from some serious kidney disease, the doctor gives her a tablet and she is cured immediately.

One thing I'm particularly excited about is the research going into stopping aging. Sometime in the future someone will figure out a way of stopping aging completely.

But whether or not this will be available to the public is another thing, as it would cause complete chaos in the world if we never died.

 

[andrei_eremenko]

in 20 years hm will be available but i will be to old ...something like 43...till then something like histogen will improve the thing a bit maybe...

 

[reckless]

Yeah that's the thing. Who cares about hairloss at 43. As long as I have a decent head of hair up until my late 30s I will be more than happy.

Everything goes downhill after 36 anyway lol.

So maybe with anti-aging you will still look young at 43.

Sorry been doing too much scientific research :woot:

 

[eth0]

One thing I'm particularly excited about is the research going into stopping aging. Sometime in the future someone will figure out a way of stopping aging completely.

They already know how to stop the aging process (or at least hugely prolong youthful cells). There are organisms living today which already use this technique to live much longer than they should.
The problem is, when your cells divide the DNA occasionally becomes damaged. It's the damaging of this DNA which scientists don't know how to prevent. So even though they can stop aging you'd be sure to die of some cancer related disease within a regular human lifespan anyway. It's this DNA damage that kills most of us.

 

[reckless]

One thing I'm particularly excited about is the research going into stopping aging. Sometime in the future someone will figure out a way of stopping aging completely.

They already know how to stop the aging process (or at least hugely prolong youthful cells). There are organisms living today which already use this technique to live much longer than they should.
The problem is, when your cells divide the DNA occasionally becomes damaged. It's the damaging of this DNA which scientists don't know how to prevent. So even though they can stop aging you'd be sure to die of some cancer related disease within a regular human lifespan anyway. It's this DNA damage that kills most of us.

Cool, I didn't know that. But eventually they will crack it. But would governments let it out? Like I said, it would cause chaos in the world if everyone was living for 200 years or forever.

You can't underestimate what humans are capable of discovering/inventing.

"Everything that can be invented has been invented." --Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.

This was one of the dumbest quotes I've ever read.

 

[peter079]

Only way male pattern baldness will be cured is by eradicating the gene from society. I can't see this happening for a while. To do this it will most likely be in the form of immunization of children (both boys and girls carry the gene) to remove the gene until it no longer exists.

This will not be easy to monitor because firstly, parents are unwilling to get their children immunized against something new like this because of fear of side-effects, and secondly, it will only take one person to be left with the gene to re-infect the population.

Even if they find a way to cure male pattern baldness in grown men, like a vaccine, we still carry the gene and will most likely pass it onto our children.

 

[dougfunny]

Only way male pattern baldness will be cured is by eradicating the gene from society. I can't see this happening for a while. To do this it will most likely be in the form of immunization of children (both boys and girls carry the gene) to remove the gene until it no longer exists.

This will not be easy to monitor because firstly, parents are unwilling to get their children immunized against something new like this because of fear of side-effects, and secondly, it will only take one person to be left with the gene to re-infect the population.

Even if they find a way to cure male pattern baldness in grown men, like a vaccine, we still carry the gene and will most likely pass it onto our children.

This post gives me a headache.

Immunizations and vaccines are substances that trigger your immune system to create protection against outside agents. They do not have anything to do with something internal like male pattern baldness.

Also, there is not currently any way to remove genes from a person. Any kind of genes.

Also, genes do not "infect" populations. If there is one person left that will not be at all significant.





Oh, and as for my own thoughts I say in 20 years there will be more or less the exact same treatment options available that there are today. I predict no progress for some time.

 

[andrei_eremenko]

do you mean that in 20 years not even histogen will be available...you're too pessimistic...in 20 years HM will be also available...for sure...

 

[Vanzzzz]

I dun think I can even bear to wait for the 3 years it will take for histogen to be available (best case scenario).

Lol if no new treatments come out in 20 years then Im screwed!!!

 

[andrei_eremenko]

)) i'm already screwed))

 

[s.a.f]

Only way male pattern baldness will be cured is by eradicating the gene from society. I can't see this happening for a while. To do this it will most likely be in the form of immunization of children (both boys and girls carry the gene) to remove the gene until it no longer exists.

This will not be easy to monitor because firstly, parents are unwilling to get their children immunized against something new like this because of fear of side-effects, and secondly, it will only take one person to be left with the gene to re-infect the population.

Even if they find a way to cure male pattern baldness in grown men, like a vaccine, we still carry the gene and will most likely pass it onto our children.

This post gives me a headache.

Immunizations and vaccines are substances that trigger your immune system to create protection against outside agents. They do not have anything to do with something internal like male pattern baldness.

Also, there is not currently any way to remove genes from a person. Any kind of genes.

Also, genes do not "infect" populations. If there is one person left that will not be at all significant.

Oh, and as for my own thoughts I say in 20 years there will be more or less the exact same treatment options available that there are today. I predict no progress for some time.

Thank you Peter sometimes I despair at the 'fantasist' crap that gets posted on here. And BTW as long as Presidents, scientists and Billionaires are still going bald and dying you can be sure that these crazy claims of cures for everything do not exist.
People have been talking about elixiers of eternal youth since the dawn of man. We cant even cure the common cold yet. :shakehead:

PLEASE GOD NO MORE OF THESE "WHAT IF THERE WAS A MIRACLE CURE" THREADS!!!!!

 

[cuebald]

lol go back to all of the old posts from 2003 on this board and read and weep:

they basically go like this

"I'm diffusing bad but I don't mind, by 2010 I'll just get HM"
"I'm getting a hair transplant for now but by 2007-2008 I'll get HM to fill in the rest" and one poster
"I highly doubt this board will be around in 2010, what would be the point when we can all just get HM?"

NOTHING has changed from 2003 to 2010 except maybe a few refinements in FUE and BHT grafts being used.

 

[Boondock]

lol go back to all of the old posts from 2003 on this board and read and weep:

they basically go like this

"I'm diffusing bad but I don't mind, by 2010 I'll just get HM"
"I'm getting a hair transplant for now but by 2007-2008 I'll get HM to fill in the rest" and one poster
"I highly doubt this board will be around in 2010, what would be the point when we can all just get HM?"

NOTHING has changed from 2003 to 2010 except maybe a few refinements in FUE and BHT grafts being used.

:bravo:

This is such a true statement. I've done exactly the same, and spent a couple of hours trawling through the archive on HM several months ago.

One change I've noticed is that, if anything, people were more optimistic then than now. This is at once surprising and baffling, since none of the major treatments had shown progress in trials by 2003. I saw threads by people going for hair transplants on the assumption that "it doesn't matter if I exhaust my donor, I'll get HM by 2010 for sure." I wonder what the hell must've happened to these guys...

I think you've committed a huge cognitive error with your conclusion, however. Past experience does not offer a guideline for future outcomes. It's tempting to think "it didn't happen then ergo it cannot happen now," but this logic is completely fallacious. It's a bit like someone in the early 90s saying to themselves "well, no treatments have come along in the last century, what makes us think something will come along this decade" (and then, of course, finasteride came along).

The appraisal of how likely future treatments are to come along has to be based on the facts alone. I'd say right now there are some very promising signs (particularly at Histogen's end), and I'm actually cautiously optimistic. BUT...I don't think it'll be here in 2013, and I don't think it'll be the final solution.

If it is, though, I'm chartering a jet with you guys, UMan, and Dudemon out to Singapore to get this sh*t done! unk:

 

[Vanzzzz]

This is very true. Years ago, there was no HM treatment which showed positive results like Histogen. Now, Histogen has be proven to work, and in fact better than any existing treatments, which is definitely a light at the end of the tunnel.

Personally, I will not care if Histogen is not permanent. I will gladly take the injection for the rest of my life if it is proven safe and effective.

 

[Boondock]

This is very true. Years ago, there was no HM treatment which showed positive results like Histogen. Now, Histogen has be proven to work, and in fact better than any existing treatments, which is definitely a light at the end of the tunnel.

Personally, I will not care if Histogen is not permanent. I will gladly take the injection for the rest of my life if it is proven safe and effective.

The real question, though, is not whether it's permanent but whether it works on the level we need. There's a big difference between minoxidil-style thickening and growth from slick bald.

FYI, the theory is that the hairs grown from histogen will last a long time. They're supposedly androgen sensitive, but able to last as long as your initial androgen-sensitive follicles did. Dr Naughton suggests that this means a man who lost hair at 30 would keep it for another 30 years, but I suspect this is false - given the pubertal age of onset for most androgens.

 

[andrei_eremenko]

i don't really know how people in 2003 was thinking that hm will be available so soon...I bet there wasn't even a preclinical trial then...now at least we are in the phase 2 ...
regarding Histogen...they don't really know exactly if the product can regrow new hair...and if they do in what kind of dosage ...this is what are they studying now...

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

Anyone who says a cure for baldness wouldn't be profitable knows nothing about how economics works.

Every drug, no matter how expensive, is worked on until it can be mass produced and profitable. If Merck developsit but finds it "not profitable" they will continue to work on the pill or injection or whatever until they can get it down to cost. They will hold a patent on it and will make billions from it.

 

[henryk9]

I think it is up to you how you define cure. Is it a cure when you just take one pill and that's it or a pill every day for the rest of your life? For me a cure is taking the stuff once (or over a period) and then it stops forever. The cure will be found for sure but it will be not released for us.