I'm very very close to going for plan.... B! O.O

[Boondock]

so people have actually seen results from Eucapil..? The hair loss remedy of eastern europe...

I experienced consistent shedding throughout minoxidil, nizoral, spironolactone, saw palmetto, yada yada yada.

Finasteride worked for me, but I got sides.

I'm now on eucapil and also Prox-N. I've cut down minoxidil to once a day, and yet my shedding has stopped. The only issue is that it's hard to tell which is making the difference.

 

[captain_que]

so people have actually seen results from Eucapil..? The hair loss remedy of eastern europe...

I experienced consistent shedding throughout minoxidil, nizoral, spironolactone, saw palmetto, yada yada yada.

Finasteride worked for me, but I got sides.

I'm not on eucapil and also Prox-N. I've cut down minoxidil to once a day, and yet my shedding has stopped. The only issue is that it's hard to tell which is making the difference.

I had the same problem with constant shedding back when using Rogaine. When I switched to Nanominox the shedding stopped.. Could it be the PG you reacted to?

 

[Boondock]

[quote="captain_que":1r5wifst]so people have actually seen results from Eucapil..? The hair loss remedy of eastern europe...

I experienced consistent shedding throughout minoxidil, nizoral, spironolactone, saw palmetto, yada yada yada.

Finasteride worked for me, but I got sides.

I'm not on eucapil and also Prox-N. I've cut down minoxidil to once a day, and yet my shedding has stopped. The only issue is that it's hard to tell which is making the difference.

I had the same problem with constant shedding back when using Rogaine. When I switched to Nanominox the shedding stopped.. Could it be the PG you reacted to?[/quote:1r5wifst]

Sorry, I typo'd. I meant to say, "I'm now on eucapil and Prox-N." I expect they're making the difference rather than minoxidil, since every time I've quit minoxidil for a week or so (holidays etc) I've just shed more.

 

[Hoppi]

so people have actually seen results from Eucapil..? The hair loss remedy of eastern europe...

I experienced consistent shedding throughout minoxidil, nizoral, spironolactone, saw palmetto, yada yada yada.

Finasteride worked for me, but I got sides.

I'm now on eucapil and also Prox-N. I've cut down minoxidil to once a day, and yet my shedding has stopped. The only issue is that it's hard to tell which is making the difference.

hmm that's really interesting.. I wonder which one it is O.O

It's quite reassuring to see a success story about Prox-N/fluridil, as many people do seem to claim better results on minoxidil/spironolactone.

I would be very interested to see which one of those 2 is having the larger effect, but I guess that's hard to determine without dropping one, which is probably not what you want to be doing right now!!

 

[Petchsky]

Some thing tells me Hoppi that you are going to make your regimen too complex, when simplicity works well and is a hell of alot cheaper.

If I was in your position right now i'd just take Proxiphen, that way you don't need to take propecia internally and your regimen, number 1003, is nice and simple....then the hard part, stick to it for 6+ months.

No point throwing the kitchen sink at your hair loss when it's not severe and relatively recent.

Proxiphen/nizoral and maybe throw in some immhair reg supps to keep yourself happy.

 

[Boondock]

so people have actually seen results from Eucapil..? The hair loss remedy of eastern europe...

I experienced consistent shedding throughout minoxidil, nizoral, spironolactone, saw palmetto, yada yada yada.

Finasteride worked for me, but I got sides.

I'm now on eucapil and also Prox-N. I've cut down minoxidil to once a day, and yet my shedding has stopped. The only issue is that it's hard to tell which is making the difference.

hmm that's really interesting.. I wonder which one it is O.O

It's quite reassuring to see a success story about Prox-N/fluridil, as many people do seem to claim better results on minoxidil/spironolactone.

I would be very interested to see which one of those 2 is having the larger effect, but I guess that's hard to determine without dropping one, which is probably not what you want to be doing right now!!

You're right, it's impossible to say, and in a way it's a silly idea to start both at the same time (as I did) since you'll be unable to tell which made the most impact.

Different things work for different people. Minoxidil has never, ever done anything for me. I stayed on it out of habit, I suppose. I never got sides, but I don't think it helped me at all. I may phase it out entirely later on this year.

spironolactone, to be honest I never gave it long enough - I just found it messy and smelly (and to be fair, I had longer hair at the time).

It's also worth saying that it's too early to say if these are working. I've been on both for a month. To be fair, I can actually see a big differnce in a couple of weeks with treatments that work (hairs in the shower went from lots to zero in 2 weeks of finasteride, same when i brushed my hair over paper to observe fallout). But, although these appear to be having that effect, I could still be wrong.

Like I said, I wouldn't worry too much about getting things perfect before you start, because there's no way to do that. Everyone is different. Pick a regimen, keep at it for a couple of months. If it doesn't work, try something else. Eventually most people hit upon something that at least slows down the loss.

 

[jhart]

try my regimen i have only been on it for six weeks but it is the most scientifically proven to regrow and maintain hair. its called the big3.

i am not aggressive and I sympathize with every single member of this forum. But i get annoyed with the whole "try vitamin A-$ instead of whats scientifically proven. The majority of the "alternative treatments" people research are SNAKE OIL, you wont prove anything when you have such a dynamic regimen

 

[Hoppi]

You're right, it's impossible to say, and in a way it's a silly idea to start both at the same time (as I did) since you'll be unable to tell which made the most impact.

Different things work for different people. Minoxidil has never, ever done anything for me. I stayed on it out of habit, I suppose. I never got sides, but I don't think it helped me at all. I may phase it out entirely later on this year.

spironolactone, to be honest I never gave it long enough - I just found it messy and smelly (and to be fair, I had longer hair at the time).

It's also worth saying that it's too early to say if these are working. I've been on both for a month. To be fair, I can actually see a big differnce in a couple of weeks with treatments that work (hairs in the shower went from lots to zero in 2 weeks of finasteride, same when i brushed my hair over paper to observe fallout). But, although these appear to be having that effect, I could still be wrong.

Like I said, I wouldn't worry too much about getting things perfect before you start, because there's no way to do that. Everyone is different. Pick a regimen, keep at it for a couple of months. If it doesn't work, try something else. Eventually most people hit upon something that at least slows down the loss.

Yeah definitely and I'm sure I will, I mean it seems that combining a 5ar inhibitor (whether systemic or topical), a receptor blocker (like spironolactone or RU) and a receptor degrader (like fluridil) is a wicked combo, I think El Duterino is right on the money there tbh

And his hair backs that up! 14 years of male pattern baldness and he seems to have a perfect hairline still! Hell, it's better than mine and I've only just started!

I think he's a very bright spark (and you are too for picking up on it!) and I'm going to be basing my plan B around that approach I think!

The question is what is the best 5ar type I and II inhibitor in the scalp. I will only use finasteride systemically, I am very wary of Dutas at the moment. However topically I am keeping an open mind.

Crinagen seems to have more focus on 5ar type 1, which isn't that good as type 2 seems the enemy first and foremost. One would imagine therefore that combining Crin with topical finasteride would get fairly thorough inhibition, but it still may not be the best way (I choose Crin over things like Revivogen spray as it's cheaper, but am still learning )

And jhart, I do very much understand and appreciate the value of the big 3, but am wary of strong systemic 5ar inhibition from finasteride, and also don't feel too confident smothering my hair in minoxidil when quite probably all it really needs is freedom from DHT. Mild finasteride I am using anyway though, and ketoconazole (and more!) is in my Regenepure

 

[Boondock]

You're right, it's impossible to say, and in a way it's a silly idea to start both at the same time (as I did) since you'll be unable to tell which made the most impact.

Different things work for different people. Minoxidil has never, ever done anything for me. I stayed on it out of habit, I suppose. I never got sides, but I don't think it helped me at all. I may phase it out entirely later on this year.

spironolactone, to be honest I never gave it long enough - I just found it messy and smelly (and to be fair, I had longer hair at the time).

It's also worth saying that it's too early to say if these are working. I've been on both for a month. To be fair, I can actually see a big differnce in a couple of weeks with treatments that work (hairs in the shower went from lots to zero in 2 weeks of finasteride, same when i brushed my hair over paper to observe fallout). But, although these appear to be having that effect, I could still be wrong.

Like I said, I wouldn't worry too much about getting things perfect before you start, because there's no way to do that. Everyone is different. Pick a regimen, keep at it for a couple of months. If it doesn't work, try something else. Eventually most people hit upon something that at least slows down the loss.

Yeah definitely and I'm sure I will, I mean it seems that combining a 5ar inhibitor (whether systemic or topical), a receptor blocker (like spironolactone or RU) and a receptor degrader (like fluridil) is a wicked combo, I think El Duterino is right on the money there tbh

And his hair backs that up! 14 years of male pattern baldness and he seems to have a perfect hairline still! Hell, it's better than mine and I've only just started!

I think he's a very bright spark (and you are too for picking up on it!) and I'm going to be basing my plan B around that approach I think!

The question is what is the best 5ar type I and II inhibitor in the scalp. I will only use finasteride systemically, I am very wary of Dutas at the moment. However topically I am keeping an open mind.

Crinagen seems to have more focus on 5ar type 1, which isn't that good as type 2 seems the enemy first and foremost. One would imagine therefore that combining Crin with topical finasteride would get fairly thorough inhibition, but it still may not be the best way (I choose Crin over things like Revivogen spray as it's cheaper, but am still learning )

And jhart, I do very much understand and appreciate the value of the big 3, but am wary of strong systemic 5ar inhibition from finasteride, and also don't feel too confident smothering my hair in minoxidil when quite probably all it really needs is freedom from DHT. Mild finasteride I am using anyway though, and ketoconazole (and more!) is in my Regenepure

El dutasteride's pretty hardcore, but yes his methods do make sense. He's a genious partly because he's willing to give anything a punt. It's a miracle he's still in good health, if you ask me!

Crinagen I'm not particularly familiar with, so I can't comment on it much. Topical finasteride, in my view, simply works by getting systematically absorbed and acting like run-of-the-mill finasteride. I could be wrong, but the way it affects people seems to back that up.

spironolactone or RU seem like the obvious choices to me. If you can do spironolactone without the smell, it's certainly the cheaper and safer option. But RU is worth keeping an eye on.

How do you react to just regular oral finasteride, though? If you can do it without sides, it seems like the obvious way to stop your loss without too much hassle. Topicals tend only to be used by those who can't tolerate finasteride.

You mentioned dutasteride as well. Personally I wouldn't touch this medication with a barge pole. Even if I was having prostate trouble I would be hesitant about going on it.

 

[dpdr]

Dude, stop creating many topics

Start using RU58841 and finasteride if you want your hair back

 

[Hoppi]

El dutasteride's pretty hardcore, but yes his methods do make sense. He's a genious partly because he's willing to give anything a punt. It's a miracle he's still in good health, if you ask me!

Crinagen I'm not particularly familiar with, so I can't comment on it much. Topical finasteride, in my view, simply works by getting systematically absorbed and acting like run-of-the-mill finasteride. I could be wrong, but the way it affects people seems to back that up.

spironolactone or RU seem like the obvious choices to me. If you can do spironolactone without the smell, it's certainly the cheaper and safer option. But RU is worth keeping an eye on.

How do you react to just regular oral finasteride, though? If you can do it without sides, it seems like the obvious way to stop your loss without too much hassle. Topicals tend only to be used by those who can't tolerate finasteride.

You mentioned dutasteride as well. Personally I wouldn't touch this medication with a barge pole. Even if I was having prostate trouble I would be hesitant about going on it.

I know man I love El dutasteride I think he's awesome lol, that is a hardcore approach hehe

and I know that I could jump on finasteride, but I did feel I got mild sides and also man I just.. I think my body needs DHT. I don't think it's healthy to inhibit too much of it systemically, personally. I would rather keep it happy and healthy AND with hair

Mild finasteride is cool, up to 0.25mg a day for me!

Bear in mind of course as El says that finasteride/dutasteride/Crinagen/Revivogen etc work differently to spironolactone and RU, which work differently to fluridil. The way to get the most potent anti-androgen kick seems to be to mix them (not literally of course hehe, as that would kill the fluridil!)

but yah! Thank you for the advice on RU and flu though, that was really very helpful

 

[Boondock]

El dutasteride's pretty hardcore, but yes his methods do make sense. He's a genious partly because he's willing to give anything a punt. It's a miracle he's still in good health, if you ask me!

Crinagen I'm not particularly familiar with, so I can't comment on it much. Topical finasteride, in my view, simply works by getting systematically absorbed and acting like run-of-the-mill finasteride. I could be wrong, but the way it affects people seems to back that up.

spironolactone or RU seem like the obvious choices to me. If you can do spironolactone without the smell, it's certainly the cheaper and safer option. But RU is worth keeping an eye on.

How do you react to just regular oral finasteride, though? If you can do it without sides, it seems like the obvious way to stop your loss without too much hassle. Topicals tend only to be used by those who can't tolerate finasteride.

You mentioned dutasteride as well. Personally I wouldn't touch this medication with a barge pole. Even if I was having prostate trouble I would be hesitant about going on it.

I know man I love El dutasteride I think he's awesome lol, that is a hardcore approach hehe

and I know that I could jump on finasteride, but I did feel I got mild sides and also man I just.. I think my body needs DHT. I don't think it's healthy to inhibit too much of it systemically, personally. I would rather keep it happy and healthy AND with hair

Mild finasteride is cool, up to 0.25mg a day for me!

Bear in mind of course as El says that finasteride/dutasteride/Crinagen/Revivogen etc work differently to spironolactone and RU, which work differently to fluridil. The way to get the most potent anti-androgen kick seems to be to mix them (not literally of course hehe, as that would kill the fluridil!)

but yah! Thank you for the advice on RU and flu though, that was really very helpful

Tis true. I agree about finasteride, but probably only because I experienced sides. If I didn't, I'm sure I'd feel fine about DHT inhibition. I've taken some hard sh*t in my time but I really felt medicated on this stuff.

For the record, I'm actually getting a bit more into your herbal/dietary stuff now. Not for my hair, just for general health. Again, I can feel the difference when I clean up on this stuff.

 

[Hoppi]

hehe cool cheers man

Thing is like, with my approach from before (Plan A! ) it's not necessarily that I think it wouldn't have worked eventually, it's that... I really don't think I want to gamble with my hair, you know? I guess seeing my hairline creeping back just a tiny bit more this week was like a wake-up call that if I don't do something quickly that is relatively sure-fire, I will probably regret it.

And also it's only recently that I have accumulated the knowledge to really feel very confident tackling it this way, I didn't want to just jump on some treatments without knowing what I was doing, because again, I didn't want to regret it.

Complete DHT/5ar blockade (through all the means discussed so far) seems pretty damn sure-fire to me! lol

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

Mild finasteride dose, perhaps 0.12-0.25mg, just because I want to go easy on my body's natural hormonal balance.

I don't understand the science behind this....studies show .2 is as effective as 1 mg in most situations. If you aren't having any sides from .25 I'd up it to 1 just to test it out.

.12 is probably so small it does nothing for you. .25 might be the same, but it might be close to the same as taking 1mg, which would be better for you (just that much more DHT blocked possibly) if you have no sides

People are too scared to try out finasteride and it annoys me. There's no scientific reason for it. A few days cannot destroy you.

 

[Bryan]

I don't understand the science behind this....studies show .2 is as effective as 1 mg in most situations.

It isn't AS effective as 1 mg, it's NEARLY as effective as 1 mg. I wish people would be very careful and precise when they talk about that!

.12 is probably so small it does nothing for you.

Actually, various doses of finasteride have been carefully tested in early studies. One of them found that a daily dose of only 0.04 mg was enough to have a significant and noticeable suppressing effect on serum DHT. That 0.04 mg dose appears to be near the rock-bottom dose which has a measurable effect.

 

[captain_que]

Boondock, what dose finasteride were you on?

 

[TA45]

Boondock, what dose finas were you on and did you get sides? If so, what sides? If so, are you on a smaller dose now?

 

[Boondock]

Boondock, what dose finasteride were you on?

Finasteride 1mg, for the better part.

I had one trial with this when I was young and naive, and stopped taking it after a few days when I felt sh*t.

Second time round I was on it for about two months. I still felt like sh*t, but decided that I'd have to 'ride it out' like so many said would work. Once this failed, I experimented with lower doses for a few more weeks - 0.5mg, then later 0.25mg. To be honest it didn't make much difference, in terms of sides, and by that stage I knew I wanted to get off of it.

I've also tried topical finasteride, which gave me similar effects.

 

[Hoppi]

Yeah as far as I know 0.5mg daily should be pretty much the same as taking a full 1mg dose.

0.25 yeah, should work out slightly milder, 0.12 is considerably milder I think both in effect on hair and potential sides. I'm probably going to be somewhere between those 2 doses. I would give anything for my hair... anything except my health