I'm very very close to going for plan.... B! O.O

[Hoppi]

My hair is a weird thing. It sheds. Then it recedes. Then it looks and feels like it's growing back at the crown, yet still continues to shed, my temples thicken slightly, but my hairline continues to gradually, gradually show more signs of weakness and thin little whispy hairs ._.

I mean yep I have definitely caught it uber early, but I've still caught it. I could show more pics if you want at some point, maybe in a couple of posts.

Point is.. as much as I love the natural, holistic approach and the IH approach... I'm just scared of it going back further, I'm scared of leaving it too long and then not being able to save it in time to keep a really good hairline going (if I save it now, I reckon I could resume my old hairline perfectly if I use an intelligent small number of topical treatments).

So, what is plan B you ask? Plan B is my over-the-top regimen to totally crush DHT in it's tracks and save my hair =D hehe

It involves:

Dr Lee's spironolactone once or twice a day.

Crinagen Spray once or twice a day.

Regenepure DR (keto shampoo) once every couple of days, maybe alternating with my soothing and antifungal natural shampoo.

Mild finasteride dose, perhaps 0.12-0.25mg, just because I want to go easy on my body's natural hormonal balance.

And then I will probably use something like Xandrox with Retin-A or Proxiphen to recover that hairline again.

This way DHT should get a PROPER kicking lol, my hope is that if DHT is low enough and the androgen receptors bound, fingers crossed I won't need to rely on anything like minoxidil over my whole scalp, but I'll have Nanominox FMS, Prox-N and Spectral RS all in mind just in case! I'm aware they don't all contain minoxidil, but it depends what happens!

So yup, that is my plan B regimen. I still can't say for certain if Plan A would have worked, I really don't know quite enough to tell you. All I know is that... I just love my hair too much to rely on maybes and crossed fingers. Plus, I don't want my life to be dominated by it, you know? I just want a top notch regimen, so I can go travelling like I am planning and enjoy my life!

The final thing I will do first is get a blood test, to check my thyroid and sex hormone levels again, just in case it's obvious I have some kind of imbalance there. Assuming nothing substantial comes out of that... I'll be on my new regimen. Hopefully it should kill my loss dead and finally free me from finding hairs everywhere every 5 minutes! xD

Hoppi

 

[Jacob]

And how many did you convince to get on the "those threads Hoppi...those threads.."' regimen? :whistle:

But good luck. Kind of a strange approach for someone who was so into the health/natural angle...but..good luck!

 

[Boondock]

What's crinagen all about? I've never heard anyone using that before.

In general I think your topical regimen could be heavier. If you have the money, eucapil and RU could both pack more of a punch, amd without side effects (although in the case of the latter, no one really knows!)

 

[Hoppi]

hehe thanks Jacob

And Boondock, hmm so how does eucapil work? It was a little vague on the site, does it bind to the androgen receptors?

The reason I decided to combine spironolactone and Crinagen, is because they are both easy to apply and come at DHT from 2 different angles. The spironolactone binds to the receptors, and Crinagen I believe directly lowers 5ar and DHT. The idea being that the range of ingredients would have a more like.. comprehensive effect!

Here is something about Crinagen: http://www.hairsite.com/secure/razack_crinagen.htm

The active ingredients ofc being azelaic acid, b6 and zinc, the combination of oleic acid, linoleic acid etc, similar to Revivogen I believe!

As it says on there, I believe the combination was shown to decrease DHT by 98%! I thought that combined with spironolactone, finasteride and Regenepure, this would be pretty strong overall. I definitely intend to swap out components of my regimen for superior ones as they come along or I discover them though, so I'm definitely interested in things like eucapil


Oh and Jacob, if it would be possible to get a similar strong anti-DHT effect (or receptor binding effect) without the spironolactone etc, then I would definitely be interested, but also I'm on a budget, which is another reason I have veered towards these options. Do you have any thoughts?

 

[Boondock]

spironolactone has the big downside that it really stinks. You don't think it's a problem until people at work start asking what the strange whiff is.

Eucapil (also known as fluridil) is quite a strong topical antiandrogen with good penetration, and extremely quick biodegrability once it enters the blood. It's literally gone in a few seconds or something in the blood, so doesn't have any side effects. It is, however, very expensive.

Dr Proctor's products have been recommended by some, notably Bryan - which gives them at least a shred of credibility in my eyes.

 

[Shma]

spironolactone has the big downside that it really stinks. You don't think it's a problem until people at work start asking what the strange whiff is.

Bah. I don't know where you guys get your spironolactone, but I've used dr. lee's (both cream and liquid) and NEVER noticed any smell.

 

[Hoppi]

Yeah that was my take on it Shma, I actually read about that in an interview with Dr Lee, here it is for anyone that is curious (just googled it!):

http://www.hairlosssucks.com/newsletter ... icle08.htm


And fluridil yeah is around double the price of spironolactone, maybe a little more. Is it stronger, or is the main advantage the lack of any smell?

I'm glad there are so many high quality products online though like Dr Lee's range - it does make life so much easier!

 

[Hoppi]

Hmm wow I've been learning a fair bit again!

So I was reading a lot of El Duterino's posts, and really got a feel for how RU and fluridil work. People actually don't report very good results generally on fluridil it seems, but those do seem to be the people who use it solely. El Duterino was saying probably quite rightly that it's best used as a kind of "booster" as well as something like RU/flutamide (or in my case spironolactone) and finasteride, due to the way they all interfere with hair loss in different ways.

Thing is, both RU and fluridil are pricey, and flutamide absorbs more systemically, so I'll probably (if I go for this plan) build my regimen on Crin and spironolactone, and then if I have the cash add fluridil to that mix, and if I have the courage switch spironolactone for RU!

Man RU scares me... O.O lol

 

[GeminiX]

Hoppi, have you actually tried any of your miracle cures for more than a few hours?

Every time I look at the forum, you seem to have a brand new regimen....

I've said it before, but I find it incredibly irresponsible that you continue to push your quackery onto people while having absoultely zero proof that any of it works and *NOT EVEN YOU* have tried these things for more than a day or two.

I have nothing against you personally, but man, you're really doing your utmost to confuse the poor people who come to this forum looking for answers.

 

[Boondock]

Schma, I don't have a powerful sense of smell but even I could smell Dr. Lee's 5%. I tried it at work and people at my desk kept going on about a strange smell, although they didn't trace it to me. When I took it off, they never mentioned it. When I applied it again sometime, they smelled it again.

This interview - which is a bogus claim if I've ever seen one - as well as Dr. Lee's recent data loss and credit card fraud scandal, especially his incredibly poor response in dealing with it, is why I no longer order from Dr. Lee.

Hoppi, my personal experience having used both (eucapil and spironolactone) is that eucapil was a lot more effective. It is, undeniably, very expensive though.

I would never use flutamide because of the systematic absorption. I might as well use finasteride if I was going to do that.

RU does slightly scare me too, but I'm keeping an eye on hair loss help over the next few months to see how people respond to it. There have been some encouraging studies published which seem to corroborate the view that it's safe to use.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Hoppi, have you actually tried any of your miracle cures for more than a few hours?

Every time I look at the forum, you seem to have a brand new regimen....

I've said it before, but I find it incredibly irresponsible that you continue to push your quackery onto people while having absoultely zero proof that any of it works and *NOT EVEN YOU* have tried these things for more than a day or two.

I have nothing against you personally, but man, you're really doing your utmost to confuse the poor people who come to this forum looking for answers.

Hoppi reminds me of a mosquito buzzing around your ear and you get confused just where that annoying sound is coming from. Then finally you do and then take your two hands and go splat and then you are relieved because it all over without a bite.

 

[Bryan]

Schma, I don't have a powerful sense of smell but even I could smell Dr. Lee's 5%. I tried it at work and people at my desk kept going on about a strange smell, although they didn't trace it to me. When I took it off, they never mentioned it. When I applied it again sometime, they smelled it again.

The ability to notice (and be disturbed by) the spironolactone smell may well have some genetic overtones to it. I personally have never been particularly bothered by it, and once a few years ago when both of my sisters were here to visit me, I conducted a test on them, too: I had them apply some of Dr. Lee's liquid spironolactone solution to the backs of their hands, and told them to take a test-sniff and tell me what they thought. After witnessing the rather comical scene of both of them standing in the kitchen carefully sniffing the backs of their hands, they both told me that they didn't notice anything about it that was particularly unpleasant. Is that because of our genetics? Maybe...

 

[Boondock]

Schma, I don't have a powerful sense of smell but even I could smell Dr. Lee's 5%. I tried it at work and people at my desk kept going on about a strange smell, although they didn't trace it to me. When I took it off, they never mentioned it. When I applied it again sometime, they smelled it again.

The ability to notice (and be disturbed by) the spironolactone smell may well have some genetic overtones to it. I personally have never been particularly bothered by it, and once a few years ago when both of my sisters were here to visit me, I conducted a test on them, too: I had them apply some of Dr. Lee's liquid spironolactone solution to the backs of their hands, and told them to take a test-sniff and tell me what they thought. After witnessing the rather comical scene of both of them standing in the kitchen carefully sniffing the backs of their hands, they both told me that they didn't notice anything about it that was particularly unpleasant. Is that because of our genetics? Maybe...

An interesting thought. I've got to admit I lol'd at the idea of you getting your sisters to apply spironolactone and sniff their hands.

 

[Hoppi]

It is quite possible I think that the liquid has significantly less of an odour than the lotion. Thing is I still for the moment have nice, thick-ish long hair (although it's been horrible feeling it get thinner slowly at the top while retaining good thickness on the sides ), so I need things that are very liquid in order to allow them to find their way down to my scalp!

I read very mixed things about flurigil when I was searching the forums last night, although I trust El Duterino when he says it's better applied as an addition to other things, as that guy seems to really know his stuff!

Hmm it's scary stuff all this ._.

I still think there are multiple approaches to hair loss, and that's why I've been so overwhelmed and researched so many, because what is going on up there seems to be complex, and I didn't want to make any decisions I would regret. People have claimed success with so many different kinds of treatments, although sometimes you could claim it was the placebo effect, as I experienced that a few times upon trying new things.

Man, why couldn't us guys have been designed a little bit better with out this particular genetic wobble? lol

 

[Boondock]

Hoppi:

My outlook is this. We don't really know the exact causes of hair loss. Is it inflammation, estrogen, DHT and nothing else, or what? Personally, I don't really know.

One way to approach this is to try and read as much as possible, go into the literature and the theories, and try and work it out. This is great for some people. You often see users who have a strong grasp of the subject, but no doubt they've spent hours and days reading this stuff - time most of us don't have.

If I were you, I'd stop worrying about the theory, and just go with what works. Try things out. If you can halt it with diet and supplements, great. If you can't, try your current idea of finasteride and some topicals. Try several things at once if you want to.

Once you've found something that works for you, stick with it. There are no rules in this game. Some people get side-effects with some drugs, others don't. Some topicals work for some people, but do nothing for others.

You just have to experiment, be patient, and once you've found a good regimen - roll with it for some time.

 

[Jacob]

hehe thanks Jacob




Oh and Jacob, if it would be possible to get a similar strong anti-DHT effect (or receptor binding effect) without the spironolactone etc, then I would definitely be interested, but also I'm on a budget, which is another reason I have veered towards these options. Do you have any thoughts?

I'm not sure why you're worried about an "anti-DHT effect"..but then again, I see you've taken those quotes off your signature :whistle:

Hoppi..I'd maybe mention some things..but it seems like a waste. I posted a bunch of products for internal use(I'll post them again below) and now I see you saying elsewhere after one posts one of them- wow, I didn't realize such products existed outside of the scammy ones! Now I realize I was posting them to compare to "the top 6"(see the reviews for the products) or whatever...but still....

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU429/ItemDetail

http://www.naturalwellbeing.com/products/hair-growth

http://www.iherb.com/Ridge-Crest-Herbals-Hair-ReVive-120-Veggie-Caps/9806?at=0

http://www.iherb.com/Country-Life-Maxi-Hair-90-Tablets/1714?at=1

http://www.iherb.com/Natrol-DHT-Blocker-Shen-Min-Hair-Regrowth-Formula-60-Tablets/10827?at=0

http://www.iherb.com/Naturally-Vita...Support-For-Hair-Nails-250-Softgels/5426?at=1

http://www.iherb.com/Twinlab-Hair-Factors-100-Tablets/2345?at=1

 

[KeepTheHair]

Nice hoppi, finally putting DHT in its place!


Regarding the smell of spironolactone:

The smell is very mild and won't bother 90% of people in my opinion.


BUT

If you use it with minoxidil THEN it starts to stink. They react with eachother and it does NOT smell good.

 

[Artas]

You keep changing you regimen all the time. People experiment but they do tons of research into it first, your changing it all the time and it will do you no good...

 

[mykal_P]

You keep changing you regimen all the time. People experiment but they do tons of research into it first, your changing it all the time and it will do you no good...

I agree, your in every damn thread theorizing this and that and arguing while not sticking to any regiment for at least six months. Your the biggest thread wh*** on this site accumulating over 1,000 posts since newly joining in feb of this year. Your like most newbies who come here, guns a blazin and full of theories after a short time with no success or long term experience with any treatment. Until you actually stay on and have results (good or bad) from a regiment for 6 months or more, pipe down, stop thread whoring and come back when you have measurable results (not theories and new weekly regiments).

 

[captain_que]

so people have actually seen results from Eucapil..? The hair loss remedy of eastern europe...