I want to cry

[Jacob25]

Hi guys
well i'm here because... my hair is thinning. and it's all because i'm an idiot.
I've been reading here for a few months and today decided to register and shout for help.
Half year ago I started to work at a very stressful place, and was using massive amounts of Gel/Hair Wax vaseline on a daily basis. Back then my diet was incredibly poor, mainly processed food and a lot of cheese products. Then after a while I noticed a MAJOR thinning in the temples and behind my ears.
i am so depressed and lost a lot of my weight due to this, i haven't been out of my house for a while now. I don't know what to do. I've started using Revita and Rogaine 5%, 3 months ago but not much changed. If I lost parts of my hair for this reason that the Hair Wax/Vaseline blocked my roots and not genetically, do you think it will ever grow again?
I am 21 y/o and only a year ago my hair was full and nice, that's why I suspect its related to the cosmetic products.
my mother has full hair, my father doesn't have much hair at all, my big brother (26) and my little brother (18) have pretty much all of their hair, but small male pattern baldness on their temples, their hair look completely normal and thick though. They both have more hair than me, and a smaller forehead due to that. All of my uncles from both sides are noticeably balding or completely bald. But I know they don't care much about diet and eat mainly fried food. Our skin in my family is on the oily side if it do means anything.

I do not have much shedding, but in the parts i applied the Hair Wax/Vaseline on, there are a lot of missing hair, to a point where its very receding to the sides and up.

Another thing is - My hair is long, the front reaches my chin and the back to my shoulders, the Revita shampoo gets my hair very dry and curly, is it ok to use this popular morrocan oil thing or will it also block the scalp roots?

Do you have any suggestions for me guys? Thank you for reading this, I'm very sad these days, hope it will get better, I really hope.

 

[s.a.f]

Dont know what you're talking about with this 'blocking the roots' stuff? Putting products on your hair does not cause hairloss.

 

[Jacob25]

How is that my hair thinned so much to a point it got transparent only where I applied Wax? My hair in the Temples area and behind my ears is very very thin.
Sometimes I fell asleep after work without washing my head + that time I wasn't actually rubbing my scalp to wash out the Hairstyle products when showering.

 

[anxious1]

wow, youve been deluded by many hairloss myths. Youve got some learning to do.

things dont block the roots. they might block the pores of the skin, but hair
doesnt grow out of pores, it grows out of a follicle, and hair would just grow thru anything 'blocking' the follicle , like it does anywhere else on the body.

vasoline, may accumulate in pores, or for the sake of argument, follicles, but would not block the growth off hairs , they would just grow thru it. vasoline never even dries up.

vasoline is petroleum jelly So if its related ur ur hairloss at all, then its a chemical reaction. This is highly unlikely especially with vasoline being so harmless, but even if it is, all u have to do it stop using it, and if it was the cause, the hair will naturally grow back.

remember hair is in cycles, categen, anagen and telegen as pictured below, it falls out eventually no matter what, and grows back, no matter what, but if u have male pattern baldness then in each cycle, in hairs with a predisposition grow back smaller (miniturization)

perhaps Ur just pulling on it too much when applying vasoline, and it will grow back if u stop using it (traction alopecia)

or most likely, u are beginning either a mature hairline, or the beginning of male pattern baldness, (which over half of men will suffer from), which ur only noticing now, because ur spending more time looking while ur applying it, or ur pulling out hairs that r destined to fall out at once, hence the thin patch, instead of letting them fall out individually in there own time.

So don't cry

hair naturally grows back if youve pulled it out, or done some sort of chemical damage (unlikely), And if u have male pattern baldness, or r developing a mature hairline, theres some treatments to slow it down, but really youll just have to deal with it, like we all do. Its part of growing up and being a man.

Also, understand, that since u hav responded to this by using minoxidil, u may get alot worse b4 u get better. U might not even be able to define the points where ur condition causes hairloss, vs the minoxidil causing shedding.

 

[hellouser]

Give your regime another 3+ months to see real results. It can take a while before your hair starts to grow back.

I'd also recommend using Nizoral shampoo 2-3 times a week and try using some herbal remedies as well, you may have some success, ie; saw palmetto (lowers DHT but not as much as finasteride). Focus on vitamins as well as they help hair regrowth; vitamin D, E and iron supplements.

You could take finasteride, but the side effects can be severe and sometimes permanent. I'm sure you'd rather have a fully functioning pecker than a full head of hair. That said, I wouldn't recommend it eventhough the drug really DOES work.

Give it time. If that fails, look into spironolactone and RU58841 solutions. RU seems to work amazingly well, and even better when combined with Rogaine.

Good luck dude. Just be patient and diligent. There's no need to panic yet as there are many options available and a possible cure altogether could be within a few years reach (histogen and replicel or even the dr. roland lausters team in berlin).

Hell, since its just hair and it always grows back, you could just shave your head completely and see how you look. You'd be surprised, some guys look significantly better as the bald look suits them better. Think Bruce Willis, Vin Deisel, Andre Agassi, Jason Statham, etc. Hell, have you even seen the way Vin Deisel looks like with hair? Really bad... lol.

 

[Jacob25]

wow, youve been deluded by many hairloss myths. Youve got some learning to do.

things dont block the roots. they might block the pores of the skin, but hair
doesnt grow out of pores, it grows out of a follicle, and hair would just grow thru anything 'blocking' the follicle , like it does anywhere else on the body.

vasoline, may accumulate in pores, or for the sake of argument, follicles, but would not block the growth off hairs , they would just grow thru it. vasoline never even dries up.

vasoline is petroleum jelly So if its related ur ur hairloss at all, then its a chemical reaction. This is highly unlikely especially with vasoline being so harmless, but even if it is, all u have to do it stop using it, and if it was the cause, the hair will naturally grow back.

remember hair is in cycles, categen, anagen and telegen as pictured below, it falls out eventually no matter what, and grows back, no matter what, but if u have male pattern baldness then in each cycle, in hairs with a predisposition grow back smaller (miniturization)

perhaps Ur just pulling on it too much when applying vasoline, and it will grow back if u stop using it (traction alopecia)

or most likely, u are beginning either a mature hairline, or the beginning of male pattern baldness, (which over half of men will suffer from), which ur only noticing now, because ur spending more time looking while ur applying it, or ur pulling out hairs that r destined to fall out at once, hence the thin patch, instead of letting them fall out individually in there own time.

So don't cry

hair naturally grows back if youve pulled it out, or done some sort of chemical damage (unlikely), And if u have male pattern baldness, or r developing a mature hairline, theres some treatments to slow it down, but really youll just have to deal with it, like we all do. Its part of growing up and being a man.

Also, understand, that since u hav responded to this by using minoxidil, u may get alot worse b4 u get better. U might not even be able to define the points where ur condition causes hairloss, vs the minoxidil causing shedding.

Thank you so much. Thanks for your advice, From now on I will look at it in a different way. I just never thought about having hair loss.
And I didn't really understand - Should I stop using Minoxidil?

Give your regime another 3+ months to see real results. It can take a while before your hair starts to grow back.

I'd also recommend using Nizoral shampoo 2-3 times a week and try using some herbal remedies as well, you may have some success, ie; saw palmetto (lowers DHT but not as much as finasteride). Focus on vitamins as well as they help hair regrowth; vitamin D, E and iron supplements.

You could take finasteride, but the side effects can be severe and sometimes permanent. I'm sure you'd rather have a fully functioning pecker than a full head of hair. That said, I wouldn't recommend it eventhough the drug really DOES work.

Give it time. If that fails, look into spironolactone and RU58841 solutions. RU seems to work amazingly well, and even better when combined with Rogaine.

Good luck dude. Just be patient and diligent. There's no need to panic yet as there are many options available and a possible cure altogether could be within a few years reach (histogen and replicel or even the dr. roland lausters team in berlin).

Hell, since its just hair and it always grows back, you could just shave your head completely and see how you look. You'd be surprised, some guys look significantly better as the bald look suits them better. Think Bruce Willis, Vin Deisel, Andre Agassi, Jason Statham, etc. Hell, have you even seen the way Vin Deisel looks like with hair? Really bad... lol.

I use revita shampoo (The 1LTR new formula), isn't that enough instead of the Nizoral? I leave for 7 minutes every day I wash my hair. I've been looking for Saw Palmetto for a while, but I just don't know which brand should I get, they all have different amount of mg in it and I found only the Berry contains pills. Maybe can you help me on this? Where can I buy the RU58841 and spironolactone?
What do you think about Minoxi 15% with azelaic acid?

I had a really healthy hair all of my life, it's a big part of my personality and character. I do haircut my hair here and there, but only to try some changes in my appearance.

Thanks for taking your time to help a sad fella... Hope we find a solution that works for all of us.

 

[Jacob25]

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[hellouser]

On saw palmetto I searched on eBay for a while, but I just don't know which should I buy, they all have different amount of mg in it and I found only the Berry contains pills. Maybe can you help me on this and give me some link for a good deal?

The Saw Palmetto I'm using is by a company called Rexall. I take 320gm a day and it contains 85-95% free fatty acids. This is more or less the kind you'll want to take. For 60 pills I pay about $12. (each pill is 160gm but I take 2 a day)

Where can I buy the RU58841 and spironolactone?

RU58841 can be purchased from a facility in Ontario called Ontario Chemicals;
http://ontariochem.com/

The stuff isnt cheap and you need to make fresh batches every day. Doesn't take long though. I called them up and asked for the price;
for 5grams it is $225 and 10grams it is $400 (CAD).
Depending on how much hair you've lost will determine how much you'll need and how long it will last. If you've lost a lot of hair, I suspect you'll probably be running into $500 a year or more.

Take a look at the results and how to apply it here: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=60727

spironolactone Cream can be purchased here;

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/shop/s5-cream.html

What do you think about Minoxi 15% with azelaic acid?

You should still be using minoxidil. As for Azelaic I'm not sure of, but if youre really determined you could give it a go anyway, not like youve got to lose much (except maybe some cash and some time putting in effort into it).

 

[hairhoper]

Don't use Saw Palmetto. See my sig.

See your doctor. Find out if it's male pattern baldness. If so and you decide you want to stop it, ask for a proper Finasteride prescription.

 

[cuebald]

The myth about hair gel causing male pattern baldness started because people only really apply Gel to the top of their heads and not to the sides, and that is also where male pattern baldness strikes, so people think "omg I'm losing hair only where I'm applying the gel, it must be the gel" no matter if they have been using Gel since the age of 13. (never mind Caesar himself went bald 2000 years before hair gel)

 

[Jacob25]

Hey thanks for the replies.
It seems that I misunderstood that Crown stands for the back top of the head, I actually thought Crown stood for Temples, lol. Sorry I meant to the Temple area.

I will check with my doctor. He's 60 and uses bunch of hair gel. His hair is long and super healthy, seems like not even 1 hair missing on the Temples area.
I will buy the Minoxidil 15% with azaelic acid because I've heard the 5% doesn't even works on the Temples.

Another thing is,

Also, understand, that since u hav responded to this by using minoxidil, u may get alot worse b4 u get better. U might not even be able to define the points where ur condition causes hairloss, vs the minoxidil causing shedding.

Is that true? The minoxidil got my situation worse if it's isn't hair loss? because I've been using Rogaine for 3 months, should i stop? i use it only on the Temples area.

 

[hellouser]

WOW! what a great answers! thank you very much guys great community. hope not to have the reasons to be here though, I will check with my doctor. damn he's 60 and he use bunch of hair gel. His hair is longer than mine. i wish i had his hair. seems like not even 1 hair missing in the crown.
I will buy the Minoxidil 15% with azaelic acid because I've heard the 5% doesn't even works on the crown.

Another thing is,

Also, understand, that since u hav responded to this by using minoxidil, u may get alot worse b4 u get better. U might not even be able to define the points where ur condition causes hairloss, vs the minoxidil causing shedding.

Is that true?! the minoxidil got my situation worse if it's isn't hair loss? because i've been using rogaine for 3 months, should i stop?! i use it only on the crown area.
many thanks again.
cheers mates

Rogaine/Minoxidil/Kirkland does/can cause shedding in the first couple weeks/months. But thats normal. Hair grows back anyway so even if you do lose it WILL grow back. Its not like Minoxidil is going to progress your hair loss further. Just give it time, your only at the three month stage, results COULD start to show up anytime soon or even as late as 6-12 months.

Like I said man, just be patient and diligent. Hair grows slowly so you wont see success to quickly either (not much you can do about it either, you gotta wait for the hair to grow anyway, thats beyond your control).

 

[Jacob25]

Now I do have hope
Thank you so much man I appreciate it.
Will post here when i'll see an improvement.

 

[hellouser]

now i do have hope
thank you so much man i appreciate it so much.
i will post here when i'll see an improvement.

No problem man, just give it months! Remember, don't expect results tomorrow or next week, you have to, HAVE TO keep reminding yourself that results for this take months.

PATIENCE. PATIENCE. PATIENCE. Thats really all I can advise for now, 3 months is still a little early.

 

[Jacob25]

Wow, can't believe I found this thread after all the years... Had to reset my username/password. Sorry for the drama guys, it's been really hard for me to a point where I wanted to cry every time I looked in the mirror. 3 years passed since then. Will post my update with my regimen, along some pictures later on in the day.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

Just read through this thread and am curious to see how all this turned out. Can't wait to see the pics. They will be worth a thousand words.

 

[bilboswaggins]

Hell, since its just hair and it always grows back, you could just shave your head completely and see how you look. You'd be surprised, some guys look significantly better as the bald look suits them better. Think Bruce Willis, Vin Deisel, Andre Agassi, Jason Statham, etc. Hell, have you even seen the way Vin Deisel looks like with hair? Really bad... lol.

did you really say this hellouser lmao

 

[Jacob25]

Hello guys.

It's been 3 years now. Reading my post back is a bit embarrassing, it was a real dramatic moment in my life when I realized I'm losing my hair. Having somebody to comment about it was shocking at first, hence spreading the drama around here seeking urgently for help. I was stressed out with work, school at that time and had only a few minutes a day to lurk in the forum. Thinking some hair gel could be the cause of my hairloss. Obviously it's genetic as the hair loss showed at the temples/crown areas. It took me a while to realize that I have a genetic hair loss, because my brothers still have at least 90% of their hair in its original thickness. That moment where you ask yourself "WHY ME?! WHY?" I was able to cover it over the years, even if it means having a bad hair style just to be able to cover the receding hairline, or using toppik to cover the bald spot in my crown area. Vast majority of my friends have a head full of hair. I couldn't just get used to the idea of having hair loss, especially during my early 20's, and at some point I thought it's diet related so by being vegan I might save my hair... I figured as long as my hairloss on early stages I'd be better try the natural ways instead of rushing to get propecia and risk the sides, so I went vegan and stayed vegan for 14 months, improved my diet drastically, but nothing seemed to improved. I been through a lot of frustration, also when my big brother told me "Try propecia"... I then became vegeterian, and since then I added some fish and chicken occasionally. I been eating healthy with lots of green veggies and fruits too. This type of diet has a lot of benefits but doesn't seem to do anything to my hair.


I have tried basically everything possible. I based my treatments on Research (Mainly stick to those who tested on Human and not Mice), Valued posters on the main Hairloss Forums and some people I met over the years dealing with the same thing. I also read possibly every hair loss book out there, so I'm very educated on the matter.


I started with Rogaine foam and tested it for a few months. After reading too many negative comments on the forums I started to get headaches and heart tingle feeling. Then after a while a friend in the gym told me his doctor recommended, and I decided to give it another shot and commit to a serious regime. I bought 12 Kirkland bottle pack from Amazon and committed to use it everyday.


I've been worried that all of my head would be dependent on the minoxidil, so I decided to apply on my temples only, as the rest of my head is still in OK condition as long as I shower every morning and use a comb to hide the thinning.


I mainly ate raw diet: No Gluten, Processed food (Anything that isn't natural), no milk or cheese, beef, pastas, grains and I try to avoid spiking my blood sugar with high Glycemic foods such as grapes, dates or too much fruits at the same meal.


So around 2.5 years ago I started my "super regime". I got all the supplements that were proven or suspected to help with male pattern baldness. Got everything from amazon, ebay and iherb. Wasn't cheap at all... and was a long long journey


Internal supplements:


-Saw Palmetto Berry Extract (320mg/day)
-Grapeseed extract (3 caps/day)
-Black Beans/Kidney Beans/Fermented Soya Beans for Dinner
-Green Tea with Nettle Root, Schizandra, Ginseng, Gingo Biloba, He Shou Wu 1-3 cups/day
-Aloe Juice - 1cap (30ml/day)
-Omega 3/6/9 (Borage, Evening Primorse, Pumpkin Seed, Flax Seed Oils) - 15ml/day
-Extra Virgin Olive Oil/Coconut Oil - 15ml/day.
-Drinking Ozonated Water
-Colonics - I've done around 4 sessions to clean my colon at a private clinic.
-Smoothie made of variety Green Veggies, Berries and some other fruits
-Multivitamin (Megamen) / GNC's Hair Skin Hair and Nails
-Apple Cider Vinegar with Cayenne Pepper and Lemon - First thing on morning
-Curcumin

Topical Treatments:


-A mixture of Minoxidil, Saw Palmetto, Unrefined Emu Oil, Magnesium Oil
-Nizoral 2% (Switched from Revita which felt like a waste of money. Nizoral seemed to clean better).
-Biotin Hair Thickening Shampoo and other Hair loss shampoos
-Apple Cider Vinegar - Once/Week
-Salycilic acid 20% peel (Around 6 peels)
-Scalp massage before going to sleep
-Rubbing my nails
-Dermaroller (3 different sizes, was going up as felt more comfortable about it) - Started dermarolling after around 2 months after starting my regime
-Headstands 1min/day


Other than that things that helped keeping my mood good overall and avoid stress by doing
Meditation, Eliminating negative thoughts techniques, Avoiding hair loss forums, Reading Books, Doing sports, Pushing myself in Work/Projects, Dating hot girls.


I had periods with a lot of unexpected massive shedding to a point where my bald spot got bigger and too visible, thinning hair all over the top.


After 17 months into the regime with no results at all I decided to drop all the pills. Frustrated as ****. I just can't accept that there isn't a solution for me. Tested my blood many times and all seems on point. It just doesn't makes sense. Anyway I gave propecia a shot (my friend actually got me 3 packs for free). I tried it for 5.5 months, but got some serious sides and I don't know if it was a coincidence, but being healthy for 2 years not even getting a flu when everyone else does, I woke up one day to the worse pain in my life in the lower back, to a point where I couldn't move without massive pain, I got very panicked about it, at the time I was traveling alone, so I had to call the Ambulance, they took me to the hospital, did an MRI test which showed I had a Kidney stone. I was in serious pain for around 3 weeks where the pain would come and go without further notice. It was a disaster place to be in, my parents and my closed ones got very worried so I went back home. I pumped my water intake with lemon and it's all good now, the stone was dissolved and passed through (They say the pain is harder than giving a birth).


I'm calm about it. Just had a haircut today and feel a little happier than usual. I decided to keep taking Saw Palmetto Extract + Pumpkin Seed Oil internally in the meanwhile while I participate in a study of hair loss solution. I apply the solution every day to scalp before sleep and use their shampoo in the mornings, except for days i sleep outside my apt which happens to be around once in two weeks. I apply a few sprays to my hairline and Crown. I do get many new hairs showing up. They are tiny baby hairs BUT I definitely see some thicker ones coming out. I do not know yet what the thing contains, and if there are any sides, but it seems that my erections are high and my semen isn't getting watery as I suspect it did after eating tofu on a regular basis. I want to keep myself motivated to NEVER miss a day, so I will post my pictures on a weekly basis with hopefully a progress to end this constant battle.

This thread will be my progress thread. Will post pictures soon after I apply it

 

[Mageirast]

You are a part of a research for hair loss solution but the fact that you are under saw palmetto extract doesn't make you a perfect candidate for this. Difficult to interpret the accurate results.

 

[Jacob25]

You are a part of a research for hair loss solution but the fact that you are under saw palmetto extract doesn't make you a perfect candidate for this. Difficult to interpret the accurate results.

I got the placebo, anyway the participants had sides so they had to quit the study and so it ended early before they came to any conclusions