I need HELP
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From my experience, Proscar and Propecia will only prevent futher hair loss, except in the front temple (hair line). Any hair regrowth would be on the crown area. I took Propecia for 13 years and I a generic Finasteride for the past year or so. I continued to lose hair in the front, but the rest of my hair is fine along the sides and back and the crown.
Is your hair loss in the front or on the crown?
Is your hair loss in the front or on the crown?
slurms mackenzie
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worried1 said:
Minoxidil would be the best way of attaining regrowth, proscar in general is more about stopping the further loss of hair. Combined they can pack quite a punch.
He may also want to add nizoral shampoo, although my understanding is, if you're in the US, it might be getting end of life'd.
Propecia, minoxidil and Nizoral collectively are known as the big 3.
slurms mackenzie
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worried1 said:
When you say all over, do you mean even at the sides and very back?
If you do, I'd recommend getting to a doctor, to check for any other causes such as thyroid function.
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freakout said:
There is nothing lifestyle about it. He is losing hair because of genetics.
freakout
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Conventional genetics is old science and has got us nowhere but costs multi-billions in public money. Epigenetics is an emerging science - our genes merely respond to environmental signals.
The activity and environment of our ancestors affect us by way of epigenetics. But epigenetics can also occur within the lifetime of a person.
Beliefs in conventional genetics is slowly falling apart as far as diseases is concerned. For example breast cancer is believed to pass to from mother to daughter is thought to be genetic. Now, there are signs it's caused by a microbe.
The Human Genome Project revealed that humans, mice and monkeys have the same number of genes and almost identical sets except for a few genes which cannot explain human superiority.
male pattern baldness is associated with, myocardial infarction, arterioslerosis, obesity, diabetis, prostate cancer, heart ischemia, brain ischemia, essential hypertension How does the so-called 'androgenetics' explain that?
And why did the Androgenetic Alopecia hair follicles regrow to terminal when transplanted to uncastrated male mice? Where does "genetics" apply to those when those follicles carry the so-called "balding genes' inside their cells?
Genetics = 50 years of junk science.
The activity and environment of our ancestors affect us by way of epigenetics. But epigenetics can also occur within the lifetime of a person.
Beliefs in conventional genetics is slowly falling apart as far as diseases is concerned. For example breast cancer is believed to pass to from mother to daughter is thought to be genetic. Now, there are signs it's caused by a microbe.
The Human Genome Project revealed that humans, mice and monkeys have the same number of genes and almost identical sets except for a few genes which cannot explain human superiority.
male pattern baldness is associated with, myocardial infarction, arterioslerosis, obesity, diabetis, prostate cancer, heart ischemia, brain ischemia, essential hypertension How does the so-called 'androgenetics' explain that?
And why did the Androgenetic Alopecia hair follicles regrow to terminal when transplanted to uncastrated male mice? Where does "genetics" apply to those when those follicles carry the so-called "balding genes' inside their cells?
Genetics = 50 years of junk science.
bigentries
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_s ... se_effectsfreakout said:
Most of the things you mentioned are associated with androgens
Genetics are junk science?
Have you been reading Soviet propaganda lately? :jackit:
cuebald
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Freakout is a well known clown on these boards. He has a few followers on the experimental board but nobody there really takes them seriously either. Funny how all of these lifestyle jokers jump from one cause (studying too hard, being too stressed, waking up too early etc...) to the next, waiting until they are NW6 before finally realising it's junk.
There was that guy who drank all the veggie potions but dissappeared in a huff when his videos showed he was receeding anyway. :shakehead:
Face it, if you are genetically predispositioned to have male pattern baldness, you will go bald regardless of wether you live like a King or a Serf. It makes no difference - the only factor will be how much DHT you have in your system. (i.e. wether you are on finasteride or not).
You can tell Freakout doesn't understand basic science when he lists all of the conditions male pattern baldness is "associated" with. The only thing that means is that a higher percentage of people with male pattern baldness have those conditions versus those without male pattern baldness. This could be for any reason - 10% of people with male pattern baldness stopping caring about themselves and "letting themselves go" for example. This would then skew the stats in this way.
It doesn't mean that the same thing that causes male pattern baldness can also cause those other conditions, despite what the tabloids (the Sun, Daily Mail, BBC news, etc) say. I will believe that when there is solid proof, not just a vague correlation.
A similar study was released saying people who shower in the mornings are more likely to have cancer than those without. This could be caused by anything, even bad statistics.
Anyway to the original poster the advice is the same as always, use finasteride to stop more hair falling out, minoxidil to try and regrow some and Nizoral Shampoo for a mixture of the two. If his family relations are heavily bald you can look at that being your lads future too, without treatments. Anything else is snake oil.
There was that guy who drank all the veggie potions but dissappeared in a huff when his videos showed he was receeding anyway. :shakehead:
Face it, if you are genetically predispositioned to have male pattern baldness, you will go bald regardless of wether you live like a King or a Serf. It makes no difference - the only factor will be how much DHT you have in your system. (i.e. wether you are on finasteride or not).
You can tell Freakout doesn't understand basic science when he lists all of the conditions male pattern baldness is "associated" with. The only thing that means is that a higher percentage of people with male pattern baldness have those conditions versus those without male pattern baldness. This could be for any reason - 10% of people with male pattern baldness stopping caring about themselves and "letting themselves go" for example. This would then skew the stats in this way.
It doesn't mean that the same thing that causes male pattern baldness can also cause those other conditions, despite what the tabloids (the Sun, Daily Mail, BBC news, etc) say. I will believe that when there is solid proof, not just a vague correlation.
A similar study was released saying people who shower in the mornings are more likely to have cancer than those without. This could be caused by anything, even bad statistics.
Anyway to the original poster the advice is the same as always, use finasteride to stop more hair falling out, minoxidil to try and regrow some and Nizoral Shampoo for a mixture of the two. If his family relations are heavily bald you can look at that being your lads future too, without treatments. Anything else is snake oil.
freakout
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To the original poster of this thread, you should be aware that hair loss could also be a symptom. Some people here have nothing in their brains but to push finasteride. They're probably salesmen. You should seek professional help.
Never assume finasteride can "cure" hair loss. It's not safe specially to young guys. You're son may develop permanent side-effects of being an OLD MAN.
The belief that androgens directly affect hair follicles is the result of Merck's (manufacturer of finasteride) world wide marketing campaign two decades ago.
The truth is finasteride has been in the market for prostate cancer many years before until it was discovered it could treat baldness albeit with more undesirable side-effects. The truth: Merck does not know how or why it works on baldness.
If you read up on the first post on this thread, and here you'll know that there are serious researchers who believe that environment and lifestyle are involved in the development of baldness.
People who deny this are idiots.
Never assume finasteride can "cure" hair loss. It's not safe specially to young guys. You're son may develop permanent side-effects of being an OLD MAN.
The belief that androgens directly affect hair follicles is the result of Merck's (manufacturer of finasteride) world wide marketing campaign two decades ago.
The truth is finasteride has been in the market for prostate cancer many years before until it was discovered it could treat baldness albeit with more undesirable side-effects. The truth: Merck does not know how or why it works on baldness.
If you read up on the first post on this thread, and here you'll know that there are serious researchers who believe that environment and lifestyle are involved in the development of baldness.
People who deny this are idiots.
freakout
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Yes, bigentries. Genetics IS junk science. Epigenetics and genomics are the emergent sciences.
Many so-called 'geneticists' or those who hunt 'defective' genes lost their jobs after the Human Genome Project concluded.
Not all venture-capitalists are stupid.
Of course many of the diseases I mentioned are 'androgenic'. Are you saying androgens 'caused' them? Or merely saying androgens are involved?
Androgens is like the walls of a building. If you bump into a wall, you don't tear it down, would you? You would!??? :woot:
And yes, I was a former Soviet spy.
But now I have this obsession to spill the beans and say the the big industries, drugs, oil, banking, insurance in the US are in cahoots with the Republican Party.
For example: Big Pharma is extremely afraid of stem cell technologly that's why the Republicans held the bill for as long as they can. But by doing that, the US now lags behind stem cell technology.
Many so-called 'geneticists' or those who hunt 'defective' genes lost their jobs after the Human Genome Project concluded.
Not all venture-capitalists are stupid.
Of course many of the diseases I mentioned are 'androgenic'. Are you saying androgens 'caused' them? Or merely saying androgens are involved?
Androgens is like the walls of a building. If you bump into a wall, you don't tear it down, would you? You would!??? :woot:
And yes, I was a former Soviet spy.
But now I have this obsession to spill the beans and say the the big industries, drugs, oil, banking, insurance in the US are in cahoots with the Republican Party. For example: Big Pharma is extremely afraid of stem cell technologly that's why the Republicans held the bill for as long as they can. But by doing that, the US now lags behind stem cell technology.
bigentries
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Too much conspiracy theories right?freakout said:And yes, I was a former Soviet spy.
For example: Big Pharma is extremely afraid of stem cell technologly that's why the Republicans held the bill for as long as they can. But by doing that, the US now lags behind stem cell technology.
Yeah, because Democrats don't get money from them too.
So I guess using that logic Democrats support abortion because they are paid by abortion clinics?
The Republican party is against stem cell technology just because of their position on abortion.
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freakout said:
I'd hardly class myself as a salesmen especially for something which can be picked up dirt cheap, the main bucks have been made out of finasteride.
If somebody seeks professional help, they'll be pointed in the direction of finasteride which seems to have already happened in this case, is it really fair to hijacks somebodies plea for help with all this?
I'll agree with urging extreme caution, when younger as in this case.
I'd already assumed that the finasteride had been handed out by a medical professional.
Are you sure about that, did they not go to the dominican republic and do a study on pseudo hermaphradites or something like that first?
Now I may be an idiot but there is one thing I am not sir, and that sir is an idiot.
Actually i think these lifestyle factors can contribute a little bit.