I know, I know..FAQ's, but......

[chromedomefear]

I haven't been on the site in a while (needed an emotional break), and I KNOW that the site is full of info and read it and yada yada, but......you guys are all contradicting yourselfs and each other and the sites info. I don't know wtf to believe. I think I lose more hair from it flinging off my spinning head.

Anyway....... it seems that a lot of guys get going on Propecia, minoxidil, nizoral and get some initial results (initial meaning after a few months...some stable results), and then after a year or so of slowed loss/some regrowth, they start to thin/recede again.

What is a good recourse for someone that has a good standard regime, but results start to dwindle?

 

[everysixseconds]

I haven't been on the site in a while (needed an emotional break), and I KNOW that the site is full of info and read it and yada yada, but......you guys are all contradicting yourselfs and each other and the sites info. I don't know wtf to believe. I think I lose more hair from it flinging off my spinning head.

Anyway....... it seems that a lot of guys get going on Propecia, minoxidil, nizoral and get some initial results (initial meaning after a few months...some stable results), and then after a year or so of slowed loss/some regrowth, they start to thin/recede again.

What is a good recourse for someone that has a good standard regime, but results start to dwindle?

you have to understand why results start to dwindle. this requires research. research that hasnt really been completed. so we can only speculate.

one theory is that the body creates more androgen receptors and more 5AR. you may want to try dutasteride because it achieves higher levels of DHT supression.

there is also a possiblity that the male pattern baldness process has just advanced, the causes of which once again are poorly understood.

so higher strength minoxidil could be the next step for you.

 

[chromedomefear]

Thanks.....I understand your point, just don't have that much time to do the research (and not enough mental/neurological endurance) with my job. Is there anywhere on this site that updates poeple on recent findings, for those that only get on the site like every couple of months or so?

What are the alternatives for higher doses of minoxidil? And is there any possibility of dutasteride making my condition worse, or shedding?

Sorry if I'm asking q's that seem redundant to you bro, but if you knew what my life/sched was like right now you'd be impressed that I even knew my own name.

 

[ShedMaster]

I think you have read some convoluted information from some speculative newbies in regards to how long these treatments last. Merck states that finasteride will last around 5 years to noticing a decline in performance. Combine that with minoxidil and nizoral and the results could quite possibly extend that point. If and when that does come, you can add 15% minoxidil, spironolactone, revivogen, 1.25 mg propecia instead of 1.0mg, folligen... etc. There are other weapons that you can add at that point which could extend the effectiveness of the initial attack.

 

[chromedomefear]

Do I just ask my doctor to bump up my propecia script to 1.25mg? And where can I get 15% minoxidil without getting ***-raped? I get my 2 bottles at Costco now for $20.

Maybe I've been using too much nizoral. Sometimes I use it 5 days out of a 7 day week. You said: you can add 15% minoxidil, spironolactone, revivogen, 1.25 mg propecia instead of 1.0mg, folligen, should/can I use these all at once?

And lastly, what's the real deal on dutasteride?

Thx. E

 

[juststarting]

one theory is that the body creates more androgen receptors and more 5AR. you may want to try dutasteride because it achieves higher levels of DHT supression.

This is what I asked back in January as I am worried about making my situtation worse in the long run. People here thought I was wrong though...

 

[chromedomefear]

Define "make my situation worse", with regard to dutasteride. What "real" disadvantageous affects have been reported? I don't care about a reduced libido, I have the hormones of a 14 year old, and should probably have my libido reduced anyway before my unit falls off.

 

[juststarting]

"situation worse" I am a slow male pattern baldness. Just starting at 33, but after being a norwood 1 for 10+ yrs its finally starting a slow progression to higher norwood states. SO if I am a slow male pattern baldness, I worry it might in long run make me balder then I would have been one day.

 

[chromedomefear]

ok. this is what I mean....is there anyway to tell if it will make you progress negatively? what are the percentages like? Is it more common for people to experience a neg affect? I'm just wondering if I should bother with dutasteride (age 30) or not or try spiking up my minoxidil, trying some spironolactone, and that other fancy sh*t mentioned above.

 

[HairlossTalk]

Chrome -

1) You're reading into this too deeply.
2) Take a few deep breaths and stand back a bit and look at the big picture
3) Premise: The only thing we know is what the data tells us. If there is no data to answer your question, there is no answer. Period. There is speculative personal experience without checks and verifications. That is not to imply that the information is wrong or bad, its just that you need to differentiate it from solid verified data.
4) The simple fact is some people experience a big shed at month 11. Some people lose effectiveness at month 11. Again we come full circle. There's no way to know.
5) Androgen upregulation is a theory. Nothing more. We dont know if its accurate or not.
6) So what do you do when nobody knows anything for sure? You use your brain and good judgement instead.

Answer to your question: If you are on the big 3, use it religiously and use it AS DIRECTED. That means STOP USING NIZORAL 5 DAYS A WEEK. What on earth are you doing that for? If youre going to obsess over your results, why dont you obsess over the accuracy of your regimen? Once every 3rd day. No more, no less. Period. The chances of you being a non responder on the big three after 1 year are very very very very very slim. Guess what? You could shed at month 11. You could mistake this for "reduced effectiveness". The only way to tell is to see if it lasts longer than a typical shed. Typically if it lasts longer than 2-3 weeks, and does not slow down... but continues .... then it may not be a shed. If you're able to, wait at least a month or two before doing anything. Then if it is STILL looking worse and worse, you simply add another treatment. If you're on the big 3 I would add Tricomin. I would not up my dosage of finasteride, but thats just because I dont know my position on the upregulation issue, and I see no point in introducing more side effects with limited or zilch increased effectiveness.

HairLossTalk.com

 

[chromedomefear]

.....the answer I was looking for. Thanks

 

[juststarting]

Excellent post! I can see why you are a moderator

Chrome -

1) You're reading into this too deeply.
2) Take a few deep breaths and stand back a bit and look at the big picture
3) Premise: The only thing we know is what the data tells us. If there is no data to answer your question, there is no answer. Period. There is speculative personal experience without checks and verifications. That is not to imply that the information is wrong or bad, its just that you need to differentiate it from solid verified data.
4) The simple fact is some people experience a big shed at month 11. Some people lose effectiveness at month 11. Again we come full circle. There's no way to know.
5) Androgen upregulation is a theory. Nothing more. We dont know if its accurate or not.
6) So what do you do when nobody knows anything for sure? You use your brain and good judgement instead.

Answer to your question: If you are on the big 3, use it religiously and use it AS DIRECTED. That means STOP USING NIZORAL 5 DAYS A WEEK. What on earth are you doing that for? If youre going to obsess over your results, why dont you obsess over the accuracy of your regimen? Once every 3rd day. No more, no less. Period. The chances of you being a non responder on the big three after 1 year are very very very very very slim. Guess what? You could shed at month 11. You could mistake this for "reduced effectiveness". The only way to tell is to see if it lasts longer than a typical shed. Typically if it lasts longer than 2-3 weeks, and does not slow down... but continues .... then it may not be a shed. If you're able to, wait at least a month or two before doing anything. Then if it is STILL looking worse and worse, you simply add another treatment. If you're on the big 3 I would add Tricomin. I would not up my dosage of finasteride, but thats just because I dont know my position on the upregulation issue, and I see no point in introducing more side effects with limited or zilch increased effectiveness.

HairLossTalk.com

 

[Cassin]

Excellent post! I can see why you are a moderator

He's the owner of the site. int: