I just ordered topical spironolactone 5% cream

[H/B]

The drug has not been aproved for hairloss in young guys. the long term outcome is not known. Just because you use the drug does not mean you have an ounce of credibilty to determine its safety. Just because you choose to be a fukin guinepig, does not make it ok for people to hop on dutasteride without atleast first using finasteride which works for the majority who use it. Encouraging newbs to do this without medical supervision is iirresponsible.

Harry Harry Barry,

If you bothered to read my posts you'd see that I advise people to TALK TO A DOCTOR about Avodart. I never even suggested trying propecia without the advice of a physician. So niiiiice try:

"I'm going with the dutasteride. You should at least talk to your doctor about it before listening to people on here, a LOT of whom have never even taken one dutasteride tablet so they should not be warning you about it. "

oops my bad. appologise for the tone of my post. Jumped the gun as have seen other posts here where some here assume finasteride is somehow obsolete and to be avoided because of avodart, when that measure may have not been nescasary.

 

[KiLLuMiNaTi]

jayman has it lowered your sex drive

 

[LookingGood!]

First off no need to be a wise acre. :shock: I am well aware of internet pharms and I am aware that some of them sell phony products also. I also know that some dont have the best quality products hence what you are paying for. I dont use them and the ones that I tried to use wanted a script, obviously a sound reputable one. You cant say a pharmacy is reputable if it is selling drugs without a MDs approval. Sorry I dont agree there. However, if you are growing hair well with dutasteride, then all the best but to shy away from the potential side efffects that we all do not really know enough about is purely niave and somewhat irresponsible but how can you tell that to an obsessed person who is afraid of losing their hair? There is a reason why it is not approved by the FDA for hairloss. As for the comments about Lee, you have a right to you opinion but how can you prove that? It's so gratuitous to create the cliche that he is a salesman etc. There are plenty of balding men out there and plenty of biz out there for him for yrs to come. I am trying Xandrox out, I am not maried to it forever as I may be with finasteride. I'd be real careful with internet pharms especially from India. There are things out there Jay me boy called scams. I hope for your sake you will never be the victim of one.

I don't know what a wise acre was, but if it's anything like a wise ***, I wasn't trying to be. I was being totally straightforward, thinking that you didn't know about internet-only pharmacies. You are right that some don't have best quality products, but Inhouse has direct links to distributors of Cipla, Ranbaxy, and Dr Reddy's generic drugs, so you don't need to worry if ordering any drugs from them. They've been around awhile and are the BEST, in my opinion, and others on here can vouch for them as well.

As for the selling drugs without an MDs approval, that alone doesn't make them a non reputable pharmacy. As long as they sell genuine drugs to people then they are reputable. As for potential sides and me telling that to a naive person and sides are the reason that Avodart is not approved by the FDA, that's not true. The FDA didn't approve Avodart because Avodart never completed phase III studies because Glaxo didn't think that Avodart could earn them a good profit, considering Propecia has never made much money for Merck. They saw the generics that were out there and decided it made no sense to complete costly phase III studies.

As for my comments about Lee, my gratuitous comments I mean, you say how do I know he is a salesman? Well here is some sarcasm, LG: I know he's a salesman because he SELLS stuff on his website! His Xandrox competes with Propecia and Avodart, or at least he likes to think it does. His Xandrox supposedly blocks 98% of DHT. Fat chance.

As for me being careful about internet pharmacies, if you actually had read my post that you responded to then you could see that I said that I switched to Avodart and I now get it from a US pharmacy.

Cheers. :wink:

First off the statement about reputable pharmacies is a bit of a stretch. How could they be reputable if they sell certain drugs w/o a MD script?? I think irresponsible and money driven at best.

As for Dr Lee, he backs up his statements with relevant research. Is America about free enterprise anyway?? He never came off as a salesman to me ever and I am the most cynical of people.
You can get propecia from him also that is cheaper than CVS/rite aid etc but only in person b/c he doesnt dispense like a pharm. Have you ever dealt with him?

As for you explanation of Avodart and Glaxo.......I am not buying it. Anecdotal at best. If it does what it says it would clearly rival if not top propecia.


Do you have any pics of the growth?? Before after?

 

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Do you have any pics of the growth?? Before after?

I will in 3-4 months when my hair reaches the same length as it did before buzzing for accurate comparison purposes. I can't show you a pic with 2.5 inch hair and a pic with 1/8th of an inch hair and expect you to be able to compare accurately. But if you want to see pics now, Aplunk regrew his crown and top with dutasteride quite well. Check out his pic threads and you'll see the results.

As for you explanation of Avodart and Glaxo.......I am not buying it. Anecdotal at best. If it does what it says it would clearly rival if not top propecia.

It topped it in studies. Ask Bryan. There is no question that dutasteride is a more effective and more powerful drug at treating hair loss than finasteride. No question at all.

It does more than rival it but because it's not FDA approved for male pattern baldness, few know about its benefits. You may say its dangerous, and I say fine, your opinion, but no proof. But it is ridiculous to dispute that dutasteride is a more effective drug than finasteride.

You may not buy the study data but here it is:

These are the results of the GlaxoSmithKline testing of GI198745 otherwise known as Dutasteride for hair loss. These results were taken from the Phase II study required for FDA approval. The Phase III trials for hair loss are scheduled to begin in February/March of 2003 in the US. The drug is expected to be on the market for hair loss in 2006 if approved."

Ignore the dates because that's not what;'s important. What's important is hair count results. We all now know that dutasteride will never be approved by the FDA because Glaxo doesn't want to spend the money. Look at Propecia, FDA approved drug. Very poor sales. Only maybe 2% of men in the country have ever tried it.

Those results were after only 6 months on only Avodart as conducted by Glaxo in FDA studies.

"This graph shows that after six month of treatment, the hair counts measured in a 1 inch diameter circle increased by about ~96 hairs with 0.5mg Dutasteride, compared to about ~72 hairs with 5mg Finasteride. The hair counts increased significantly with an increase in dosage with the biggest gain being ~108 hairs with a dose of 2.5mg Dutasteride.

So compared to 5mg Finasteride (Proscar), 2.5 mg Dutasteride grew about 1.5 times as many hairs. "

Here's the graph:

As for more personal results, as I said, I'll have great pics to show in 3-4 months, but for now, even though you may not believe me, I'm reporting my top looking and feeling a LOT thicker, my crown visibly filling in, and regrowth of terminal hairs on the hairline as well as some terminals in the tops of my temples as well as a lot of vellus hairs scattered around the temples. I know that these results are from Avodart because I'm only on Avodart, Nano, and Nizoral, with no minoxidil.

 

[Guest]

jayman has it lowered your sex drive

not at all.

 

[LookingGood!]

Do you have any pics of the growth?? Before after?

I will in 3-4 months when my hair reaches the same length as it did before buzzing for accurate comparison purposes. I can't show you a pic with 2.5 inch hair and a pic with 1/8th of an inch hair and expect you to be able to compare accurately. But if you want to see pics now, Aplunk regrew his crown and top with dutasteride quite well. Check out his pic threads and you'll see the results.

As for you explanation of Avodart and Glaxo.......I am not buying it. Anecdotal at best. If it does what it says it would clearly rival if not top propecia.

It topped it in studies. Ask Bryan. There is no question that dutasteride is a more effective and more powerful drug at treating hair loss than finasteride. No question at all.

It does more than rival it but because it's not FDA approved for male pattern baldness, few know about its benefits. You may say its dangerous, and I say fine, your opinion, but no proof. But it is ridiculous to dispute that dutasteride is a more effective drug than finasteride.

You may not buy the study data but here it is:

These are the results of the GlaxoSmithKline testing of GI198745 otherwise known as Dutasteride for hair loss. These results were taken from the Phase II study required for FDA approval. The Phase III trials for hair loss are scheduled to begin in February/March of 2003 in the US. The drug is expected to be on the market for hair loss in 2006 if approved."

Ignore the dates because that's not what;'s important. What's important is hair count results. We all now know that dutasteride will never be approved by the FDA because Glaxo doesn't want to spend the money. Look at Propecia, FDA approved drug. Very poor sales. Only maybe 2% of men in the country have ever tried it.

Those results were after only 6 months on only Avodart as conducted by Glaxo in FDA studies.

"This graph shows that after six month of treatment, the hair counts measured in a 1 inch diameter circle increased by about ~96 hairs with 0.5mg Dutasteride, compared to about ~72 hairs with 5mg Finasteride. The hair counts increased significantly with an increase in dosage with the biggest gain being ~108 hairs with a dose of 2.5mg Dutasteride.

So compared to 5mg Finasteride (Proscar), 2.5 mg Dutasteride grew about 1.5 times as many hairs. "

Here's the graph:

As for more personal results, as I said, I'll have great pics to show in 3-4 months, but for now, even though you may not believe me, I'm reporting my top looking and feeling a LOT thicker, my crown visibly filling in, and regrowth of terminal hairs on the hairline as well as some terminals in the tops of my temples as well as a lot of vellus hairs scattered around the temples. I know that these results are from Avodart because I'm only on Avodart, Nano, and Nizoral, with no minoxidil.

Okay cool. I know dutasteride is stronger b/c it blocks both types of DHT. I think what I was getting at was more in the line that why exactly it is not approved by the FDA. I mean, maybe they are not telling us something about the sides yet or more retrospective studies need to be done. It sure looks promising. Thanks for the post.

 

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Okay cool. I know dutasteride is stronger b/c it blocks both types of DHT. I think what I was getting at was more in the line that why exactly it is not approved by the FDA. I mean, maybe they are not telling us something about the sides yet or more retrospective studies need to be done. It sure looks promising. Thanks for the post.

i wasn't sure if you realized it was stronger and better because you said i hadn't proved that.

i don't think they're hiding anything. it is approved by the FDA for treatment of BPH. if it had horrendous sides then surely they would not have approved it for that. i see commercials for it all the time on tv.

physicians write off-label scripts all the time for drugs.

 

[Fat-Elvis]

Maybe this has already been answered in the thread, but when the FDA approved avodart, what amount was used in the studies that FDA used to approve it for treating the prostate? If it was at a much higher dosage than taking .5mg every day or EOD or a couple times a week for hairloss, wouldn't that mean taking it for hairloss is even safer than taking it for what it's approved for?


Also, probably something else that's already been addressed here and there, but information is so scattered on these boards it's hard to keep track of anything-- since there are no official studies on long-term use of avodart, is there an general consensus as to the long-term effects of using it? Like, beyond a couple years?

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

I believe that .5mg Avodart daily is the prescribed treatment for BPH. I take .5mg daily for my hair as I am only 20 years old. I have experienced no adverse side-effects thus far.

If you want to take Avodart, go for it. I swear by the drug. However, Avodart is not for everyone. Be sure to consult a medically licensed doctor before starting it.