I just ordered topical spironolactone 5% cream

[TAINTED-MEAT]

I'm going to put it on my temples and hairline to supplement Avodart. I'm not really sure if it is needed, but I can pull hairs out of this area very easily, unlike the hairs on the sides and back of my head.

When I told Dr. Lee that I was on Avodart, he said I was too young and that if you get side-effects they can last for a long time. Although I agree that the sides can last for a while after you are off of Avodart, I have not experienced any negative side-effects so I will continue. I do not think that I am to young for the medication. However, young people thinking about starting Avodart should consider Dr. Lee's recommendation before starting the medication.

I'll post the full consultation on here if people are interested (and as long as it is legal?).

 

[MPBWarrior]

yeah, go on.

 

[Sean68]

bump yeah go on.

 

[KR78]

spironolactone is a good addition to a regime. I use it only once at night and it is helping in maintenance

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

Ok, here's the consultation. I'm a 20 y/o male.

Thank you for your interest in hair growth treatment.

Your files have been reviewed, and this completes the initial consultation. Your information has been entered into the confidential patient database for Richard Lee, M.D., dba Regrowth, and you can make purchases. The last paragraph gives ordering instructions. Please review all paragraphs carefully:

DUTASTERIDE/AVODART
You are too young to be taking Avodart. Glaxo has abandoned any plans for Phase III trials for dutasteride as a treatment for male pattern baldness, and I don't advocate the use of dutasteride (Avodart 0.5 mg dutasteride soft gel) for the treatment of male pattern baldness. We have no data in regards to its efficacy and safety for treating hair loss.

When you consider that treatment for male pattern baldness may last for decades and that we have no knowledge what DHT deprivation does to the body over a lifetime, there is no way we can endorse its use. Of significant concern is the potential duration of side effects. The long half-life of dutasteride exceeds 240 hours vs. the rather short 6 to 8 hours for finasteride. There have been some cases where the DHT levels had only returned to 25% of their original levels nearly a YEAR after having discontinued dutasteride. As a result, any dangers or side effects that may be seen from Avodart, whether directly related or as a hypersensitive or allergic reaction may take literally months to resolve.

The anecdotal reports I have received from patients who have obtained dutasteride from other sources and have tried it are mostly unenthusiastic, and mostly about the side effects of decreased libido/erectile dysfunction.

Questions: I was planning on applying the spironolactone about 10 minutes after minoxidil twice a day, does that sound correct?
See subject heading TOPICAL SPIRONOLACTONE FOR THE TREATMENT OF ANDROGENETIC ALOPECIA (MALE PATTERN BALDNESS) for instructions on how to use spironolactone.

Recommendations:
Apply all Xandrox formulas as instructed under topic heading APPLICATION OF 5% MINOXIDIL AND/OR 5% XANDROX. In the morning, apply 1 mL of Product Number 600, 5% Xandrox to all affected areas. In the evening before bedtime, but at least 8 hours later, apply 1 mL of Product Number 940, Xandrox15 to the same affected areas. This is one of the more aggressive regimens meant to treat hair loss refractory to other treatments and to help reverse loss in the difficult to treat frontal and temple areas. See WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM TREATMENT below.

Allow 4 to 6 months of consistent use to see a positive response.

If you find that after 6 months or more of consistent treatment that you would like to enhance your results, then you might consider augmenting your treatment with Product Number 205, 5% Spironolactone Lotion. Several minutes after the evening application of Xandrox15, apply a thin film of 5% spironolactone. Leave both formulas on all night.

 

[Fat-Elvis]

You are too young to be taking Avodart. Glaxo has abandoned any plans for Phase III trials for dutasteride as a treatment for male pattern baldness, and I don't advocate the use of dutasteride (Avodart 0.5 mg dutasteride soft gel) for the treatment of male pattern baldness. We have no data in regards to its efficacy and safety for treating hair loss.

WTF? This is all new to me. And I was about to order some avodart, too. What the hell is this? And who's Dr. Lee?

 

[LookingGood!]

How is it that you guys can order avodart?? I was told the only way to obtain it is with a prescription.

 

[Guest]

How is it that you guys can order avodart?? I was told the only way to obtain it is with a prescription.

Well, looking good, there are these things called internet pharmacies, and they sell drugs without prescriptions. most of the sites that sell finasteride without one also sell dutasteride. two well known ones that are reputable are united pharmacies and inhouse. both sell generic dutasteride made in India that is the same thing as brand name Avodart. i used to use this before getting a prescription for Avodart.

as for our dear dear friend, dr lee, well , i hate to tell you this, but dr lee is a salesman and wants you to lose some of your hair so you can buy his overpriced Xandrox, which I see you are using, lookinggood. :wink:

no offense to him at all, he's a smart guy but he is a salesman. dutasteride is more effective than finasteride so anyone who wants maximum regrowth and maximum maintenance SHOULD be using it.

 

[CCS]

there are people who don't have 5ar2. they live just fine, though their penises take much longer to develop.

 

[Guest]

there are people who don't have 5ar2. they live just fine, though their penises take much longer to develop.

If Thinning doesn't have 5ar2 then why is he a hair loss website?

 

[Guest]

there are people who don't have 5ar2. they live just fine, though their penises take much longer to develop.

If Thinning doesn't have 5ar2, then why does he post here?


:lol:

 

[Fat-Elvis]

How is it that you guys can order avodart?? I was told the only way to obtain it is with a prescription.

Well, looking good, there are these things called internet pharmacies, and they sell drugs without prescriptions. most of the sites that sell finasteride without one also sell dutasteride. two well known ones that are reputable are united pharmacies and inhouse. both sell generic dutasteride made in India that is the same thing as brand name Avodart. i used to use this before getting a prescription for Avodart.

as for our dear dear friend, dr lee, well , i hate to tell you this, but dr lee is a salesman and wants you to lose some of your hair so you can buy his overpriced Xandrox, which I see you are using, lookinggood. :wink:

no offense to him at all, he's a smart guy but he is a salesman. dutasteride is more effective than finasteride so anyone who wants maximum regrowth and maximum maintenance SHOULD be using it.

But is there any truth to this stuff about being "too young" to take avodart, longer-term side effects, and the long-term effects of taking avo not being known compared to propecia? I mean are these valid concerns to take into account when deciding between finasteride and dutasteride?

 

[Guest]

[quote="LookingGood!":dc4e5]How is it that you guys can order avodart?? I was told the only way to obtain it is with a prescription.

Well, looking good, there are these things called internet pharmacies, and they sell drugs without prescriptions. most of the sites that sell finasteride without one also sell dutasteride. two well known ones that are reputable are united pharmacies and inhouse. both sell generic dutasteride made in India that is the same thing as brand name Avodart. i used to use this before getting a prescription for Avodart.

as for our dear dear friend, dr lee, well , i hate to tell you this, but dr lee is a salesman and wants you to lose some of your hair so you can buy his overpriced Xandrox, which I see you are using, lookinggood. :wink:

no offense to him at all, he's a smart guy but he is a salesman. dutasteride is more effective than finasteride so anyone who wants maximum regrowth and maximum maintenance SHOULD be using it.

But is there any truth to this stuff about being "too young" to take avodart, longer-term side effects, and the long-term effects of taking avo not being known compared to propecia? I mean are these valid concerns to take into account when deciding between finasteride and dutasteride?[/quote:dc4e5]

i don't think that they are valid concerns at all, but that's just my opinion as a dutasteride user. there are doctors in the united states who will write off-label prescriptions for dutasteride as a hair loss drug rather than for benign prostatic hyperplasia.

if the drug was not safe for long term use, then why did the fda approve it for BPH? people say that it's not approved for hair loss but the drug is just a stronger 5ar inhibitor than finasteride is. it is safe as far as i can tell, and it gives more regrowth on average than finasteride and a lot better maintenance, due to both its more complete inhibition of the 5ar2 enzyme and 50% inhibition of the 5ar1 enzyme at the daily dose.

finasteride at 1 mg per day inhibits around 85% of type 2 follicular DHT and 0% of type 1 follicular DHT I believe. I don't know the exact number but we do know that 5 mg of finasteride per day(Proscar tablet) inhibits around 90% of type 2 follicular DHT, and again 0% of type 1 so 1 mg would inhibit less. Now, 0.5 mg of dutasteride per day inhibits 98.5% of type 2 follicular DHT and 50% of type 1 Follicular DHT.

So there you are. 50% and 98.5% for type 1 and 2 respectively on dutasteride, versus 0% and 85-90% for type 1 and 2 respectively on finasteride.

I'm going with the dutasteride. You should at least talk to your doctor about it before listening to people on here, a LOT of whom have never even taken one dutasteride tablet so they should not be warning you about it. I'm only 22 years old, and I've been on it for 3 months, with no sides, no problems, and I'm already getting regrowth in the temples, hairline, and crown regions. After only 3 monthsl.

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

[quote="LookingGood!":8b0cb]How is it that you guys can order avodart?? I was told the only way to obtain it is with a prescription.

Well, looking good, there are these things called internet pharmacies, and they sell drugs without prescriptions. most of the sites that sell finasteride without one also sell dutasteride. two well known ones that are reputable are united pharmacies and inhouse. both sell generic dutasteride made in India that is the same thing as brand name Avodart. i used to use this before getting a prescription for Avodart.

as for our dear dear friend, dr lee, well , i hate to tell you this, but dr lee is a salesman and wants you to lose some of your hair so you can buy his overpriced Xandrox, which I see you are using, lookinggood. :wink:

no offense to him at all, he's a smart guy but he is a salesman. dutasteride is more effective than finasteride so anyone who wants maximum regrowth and maximum maintenance SHOULD be using it.

But is there any truth to this stuff about being "too young" to take avodart, longer-term side effects, and the long-term effects of taking avo not being known compared to propecia? I mean are these valid concerns to take into account when deciding between finasteride and dutasteride?[/quote:8b0cb]

I've been on Avodart since the beginning of August. No side-effects thus far, and I am going to continue to use it. I was prescribed it by my dermatologist, after I requested it. I think it is a great drug, and I'm going to continue to take it. If it's FDA approved, albeit not for hairloss, it's good enough for me.

However, take your own situations and concerns into account. What works for me, JayMan, and many others may not work for you!!!

If you want to try Avodart, take Propecia first for about a couple of months and see if you get any side-effects. If you do not get any, then consider switching to Avodart. That way, if you get side effects, they will wear off within a few days, whereas Avodart side-effects may stick around for a while.

 

[LookingGood!]

How is it that you guys can order avodart?? I was told the only way to obtain it is with a prescription.

Well, looking good, there are these things called internet pharmacies, and they sell drugs without prescriptions. most of the sites that sell finasteride without one also sell dutasteride. two well known ones that are reputable are united pharmacies and inhouse. both sell generic dutasteride made in India that is the same thing as brand name Avodart. i used to use this before getting a prescription for Avodart.

as for our dear dear friend, dr lee, well , i hate to tell you this, but dr lee is a salesman and wants you to lose some of your hair so you can buy his overpriced Xandrox, which I see you are using, lookinggood. :wink:

no offense to him at all, he's a smart guy but he is a salesman. dutasteride is more effective than finasteride so anyone who wants maximum regrowth and maximum maintenance SHOULD be using it.

First off no need to be a wise acre. :shock: I am well aware of internet pharms and I am aware that some of them sell phony products also. I also know that some dont have the best quality products hence what you are paying for. I dont use them and the ones that I tried to use wanted a script, obviously a sound reputable one. You cant say a pharmacy is reputable if it is selling drugs without a MDs approval. Sorry I dont agree there. However, if you are growing hair well with dutasteride, then all the best but to shy away from the potential side efffects that we all do not really know enough about is purely niave and somewhat irresponsible but how can you tell that to an obsessed person who is afraid of losing their hair? There is a reason why it is not approved by the FDA for hairloss. As for the comments about Lee, you have a right to you opinion but how can you prove that? It's so gratuitous to create the cliche that he is a salesman etc. There are plenty of balding men out there and plenty of biz out there for him for yrs to come. I am trying Xandrox out, I am not maried to it forever as I may be with finasteride. I'd be real careful with internet pharms especially from India. There are things out there Jay me boy called scams. I hope for your sake you will never be the victim of one.

 

[LookingGood!]

there are people who don't have 5ar2. they live just fine, though their penises take much longer to develop.

LMAO! Where did that one come from?????? You kill me man!!!

 

[H/B]

[quote="LookingGood!":7262a]How is it that you guys can order avodart?? I was told the only way to obtain it is with a prescription.

Well, looking good, there are these things called internet pharmacies, and they sell drugs without prescriptions. most of the sites that sell finasteride without one also sell dutasteride. two well known ones that are reputable are united pharmacies and inhouse. both sell generic dutasteride made in India that is the same thing as brand name Avodart. i used to use this before getting a prescription for Avodart.

as for our dear dear friend, dr lee, well , i hate to tell you this, but dr lee is a salesman and wants you to lose some of your hair so you can buy his overpriced Xandrox, which I see you are using, lookinggood. :wink:

no offense to him at all, he's a smart guy but he is a salesman. dutasteride is more effective than finasteride so anyone who wants maximum regrowth and maximum maintenance SHOULD be using it.

But is there any truth to this stuff about being "too young" to take avodart, longer-term side effects, and the long-term effects of taking avo not being known compared to propecia? I mean are these valid concerns to take into account when deciding between finasteride and dutasteride?

i don't think that they are valid concerns at all, but that's just my opinion as a dutasteride user. there are doctors in the united states who will write off-label prescriptions for dutasteride as a hair loss drug rather than for benign prostatic hyperplasia.

if the drug was not safe for long term use, then why did the fda approve it for BPH? people say that it's not approved for hair loss but the drug is just a stronger 5ar inhibitor than finasteride is. it is safe as far as i can tell, and it gives more regrowth on average than finasteride and a lot better maintenance, due to both its more complete inhibition of the 5ar2 enzyme and 50% inhibition of the 5ar1 enzyme at the daily dose.

finasteride at 1 mg per day inhibits around 85% of type 2 follicular DHT and 0% of type 1 follicular DHT I believe. I don't know the exact number but we do know that 5 mg of finasteride per day(Proscar tablet) inhibits around 90% of type 2 follicular DHT, and again 0% of type 1 so 1 mg would inhibit less. Now, 0.5 mg of dutasteride per day inhibits 98.5% of type 2 follicular DHT and 50% of type 1 Follicular DHT.

So there you are. 50% and 98.5% for type 1 and 2 respectively on dutasteride, versus 0% and 85-90% for type 1 and 2 respectively on finasteride.

I'm going with the dutasteride. You should at least talk to your doctor about it before listening to people on here, a LOT of whom have never even taken one dutasteride tablet so they should not be warning you about it. I'm only 22 years old, and I've been on it for 3 months, with no sides, no problems, and I'm already getting regrowth in the temples, hairline, and crown regions. After only 3 monthsl.[/quote:7262a]


The drug has not been aproved for hairloss in young guys. the long term outcome is not known. Just because you use the drug does not mean you have an ounce of credibilty to determine its safety. Just because you choose to be a fukin guinepig, does not make it ok for people to hop on dutasteride without atleast first using finasteride which works for the majority who use it. Encouraging newbs to do this without medical supervision is iirresponsible.

 

[Guest]

The drug has not been aproved for hairloss in young guys. the long term outcome is not known. Just because you use the drug does not mean you have an ounce of credibilty to determine its safety. Just because you choose to be a fukin guinepig, does not make it ok for people to hop on dutasteride without atleast first using finasteride which works for the majority who use it. Encouraging newbs to do this without medical supervision is iirresponsible.

Harry Harry Barry,

If you bothered to read my posts you'd see that I advise people to TALK TO A DOCTOR about Avodart. I never even suggested trying propecia without the advice of a physician. So niiiiice try:

"I'm going with the dutasteride. You should at least talk to your doctor about it before listening to people on here, a LOT of whom have never even taken one dutasteride tablet so they should not be warning you about it. "

 

[Guest]

First off no need to be a wise acre. :shock: I am well aware of internet pharms and I am aware that some of them sell phony products also. I also know that some dont have the best quality products hence what you are paying for. I dont use them and the ones that I tried to use wanted a script, obviously a sound reputable one. You cant say a pharmacy is reputable if it is selling drugs without a MDs approval. Sorry I dont agree there. However, if you are growing hair well with dutasteride, then all the best but to shy away from the potential side efffects that we all do not really know enough about is purely niave and somewhat irresponsible but how can you tell that to an obsessed person who is afraid of losing their hair? There is a reason why it is not approved by the FDA for hairloss. As for the comments about Lee, you have a right to you opinion but how can you prove that? It's so gratuitous to create the cliche that he is a salesman etc. There are plenty of balding men out there and plenty of biz out there for him for yrs to come. I am trying Xandrox out, I am not maried to it forever as I may be with finasteride. I'd be real careful with internet pharms especially from India. There are things out there Jay me boy called scams. I hope for your sake you will never be the victim of one.

I don't know what a wise acre was, but if it's anything like a wise ***, I wasn't trying to be. I was being totally straightforward, thinking that you didn't know about internet-only pharmacies. You are right that some don't have best quality products, but Inhouse has direct links to distributors of Cipla, Ranbaxy, and Dr Reddy's generic drugs, so you don't need to worry if ordering any drugs from them. They've been around awhile and are the BEST, in my opinion, and others on here can vouch for them as well.

As for the selling drugs without an MDs approval, that alone doesn't make them a non reputable pharmacy. As long as they sell genuine drugs to people then they are reputable. As for potential sides and me telling that to a naive person and sides are the reason that Avodart is not approved by the FDA, that's not true. The FDA didn't approve Avodart because Avodart never completed phase III studies because Glaxo didn't think that Avodart could earn them a good profit, considering Propecia has never made much money for Merck. They saw the generics that were out there and decided it made no sense to complete costly phase III studies.

As for my comments about Lee, my gratuitous comments I mean, you say how do I know he is a salesman? Well here is some sarcasm, LG: I know he's a salesman because he SELLS stuff on his website! His Xandrox competes with Propecia and Avodart, or at least he likes to think it does. His Xandrox supposedly blocks 98% of DHT. Fat chance.

As for me being careful about internet pharmacies, if you actually had read my post that you responded to then you could see that I said that I switched to Avodart and I now get it from a US pharmacy.

Cheers. :wink:

 

[Guest]

Accidental duplicate of above post.