I hate going bald....lol...I'm too young!

DonLapre

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Here is my sititution. I have been losing my hair since I was about 20 years old. I am now 22, and my hairloss isn't too bad, but I still have to preform a comb-over to hide part of my vertex (the crown). I was a very regular user of pot for about 6 years, but I recently quit cold turkey about 2 weeks ago. I eat a very healthy diet, very high in protein and veggies. I do about 30 mins of cardio everyday, and lift weights everyday.

I would like to know what you think I should do about my hairloss? It is thinning all over my scalp, but mostly on the top of my head. I was thinking about going to the store tonight and buying some Nizorol and some head and shoulders shampoo. Please outline a good plan for me to follow. It would be greatly appreciated.

I'm going to order Rogaine tonight and also Propecia...

Sometimes my scalpt feels really tingigly and weird, but not always. It does have a significant amount of flakyness though, throughout the day.

BTW I'm not really sure that smoking weed has anything to do with hairloss, but it is NOT a good habbit anyways. I'm about 50 percent confident that it at LEAST makes the individual hairs smaller though...

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Firstly your fighting genes, not marijuana.

I am gonna be a bit hypocritical here and advise the exact opposite of what I have done.

You noted that you are gonna start on the big 3 all at once. Personally I think it is best to start with just Propecia and Nizoral myself. If you start them all at once and you do see some results, how are you gonna know whats working for you, the proecia or the rogain? You will never know and so ultimately are gonna be stuck on both for the forseable future.

If money is not much of a problem for you then sure start them all at once. But if you wanna make sure you are not taking something uneccisarily, then start with the propecia, give it 10 months and if you dont see improvement, add the minoxidil later.

Propecia is the first line of defence in my opinnion
 

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My hair is falling out very quickly recently, and I will feel I cannot wait any longer to start the full program.

Do you think that smoking weed or being in a smokey room effects hairloss?

Both my parents have a full head of hair, and both my grandparents do also. I'm a bit confused...

Money is not an issue because I need my freakin hair....lol...anyways thanks for the response. :)
 

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like I said, if you are suffering with male pattern baldness, then its genes your fighting, not weed
 

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Mikey said:
like I said, if you are suffering with male pattern baldness, then its genes your fighting, not weed

Mikey you have to understand that I'm not questioning your knowledge of hairloss, I'm just simply asking you a question.

If no one in my family is bald, then why am I going bald at 22? Thats the question of the day...hehe...plz respond :)
 

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If anyone at all in your family tree suffered with male pattern baldness (great uncle, grandpa whatever) then the gene is in your family and its possible you have it.


if you cant find noone then f*** knows why ur goin bald I aint a psychic :roll:
 

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Peruse the threads on this site Don and you will learn a lot. As far as the genetic thing is concerned, usually the "baldness" gene is passed down from other generations, most notably from the maternal side, but that does not exclude the paternal side. But.........even if no one in your family on either side had it, you could have a genetic "defect" of sorts, which really baldness is. The defect could have materialized for any number of reasons. I would think it HIGHLY unlikely that you did genetic damage to yourself by smoking pot. Actually there is some anecdotal evidence that pot can lower test. levels and increase estrogen levels which theoretically would help, not hurt your hair. At any rate a more likely culprit could be your mother if she did any type of drug or was exposed to somthing toxic while you were developing in vivo. Or it could just be a genetic fluke for the screwed up gene. Computers get their signals crossed sometimes and malfunction. The human machine is no different. Just like some children are born with certain abnormalities. Genetic defects are a sad fact of life. I think the real "cure" for baldness will come sooner than many think through gene therapy where the baldness genes are "reprogramed" to continue to produce healthy hair. Scientists are already "playing" with genes in mice and it's amazing what they can do. For instance there is a gene that controls facial movement. They turned it off in a mouse and the mouse does not have the ability to blink or move any of the muscles on its face linked to the gene they toyed with. In another experiment they grew a mouse with its frontal section bald and the back section bushy. Bet you dollars to doughnuts they could do that in humans now. We are biochemical computers. Decoding the human genome is a project that I think is under appreciated. It's like the blueprint or schematic of what makes us who we are down to the smallest detail. Eye lash length, eye color, muscle mass, breast size, penis size, hair type...............all of these things can be manipulated through gene therapy. This ain't science fiction kiddo, it's the real deal and it's here. Government interference and so-called bio-ethicists will probably block the availability of a lot of this science to the general public initially but private firms will ultimately win out with their desire to profit from the technology and it will be readily available/for sale. I personally feel there is no ethical question involved. People do what they can now to improve themselves. So an unattractive girl wants to be attractive. Who has the right to stand in her way? And let's be real, we all know what attractive is and isn't and so does she. I say bring on gene therapy. May everyone look gorgeous! Let everyone have a high IQ. Only those who have a natural born advantage of looks or high IQ would complain because the playing field would be leveled. Hell, we are long over due an upgrade. Bring on Human 10.0 optimized! No more hair loss, horrible diseases, birth defects, blindness.................the list goes on. We are on the frontier of an incredible new medical genesis...... time to re-write the books on treatment of disease fellas, there are no limits with gene therapy. Unfortunately our government spends billions of dollars on killing people in wars. Actually, I don't believe the government wants us to live all that long as gene therapy could quickly cause an over population of healthy people and eminent economic collapse. I won't get started on that. Another time, another forum. Anyway, in closing, I hope I answered your genetic question and then some.

P.S. - stock tip...............Keep your eye on Bio. Med. corporations heavily involved in genetic research. They are going to be the most likely to sky rocket when the technology starts getting closer to public availability. Gene therapy.........the next big, no huge.........no COLOSSAL thing!
 

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P.P.S. - Don, I couldn't help but notice that you are laughing in each and every one of your posts. You still dabbling with the doobies or are you just an extremely good natured fellow? Just curious as most don't find their thinning anything more than extremely upsetting. If you can truly laugh at your situation you're one of the lucky ones.
 

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Thanks for the long reply...and yes I agree with you to a certain extent.

LOL Please lets try not to dicuss politics! I talk about it way too much already, but let me just say one thing about it. The government is using fear based control to make us submit to them. People will be screaming for socialism, national ID cards, RFID tags, implantable microchips, etc, after the next "terrorist" attack. You ever read "1984"? Orwell was warning of this very thing in that book, and I believe we are going to see first hand. I just hope I have a few hairs left by then.... :freaked:

BTW If you havn't heard of any of the things I have mentioned, I would be more than glad to point you in the right direction...so just ask me... :)
 

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x5o said:
P.P.S. - Don, I couldn't help but notice that you are laughing in each and every one of your posts. You still dabbling with the doobies or are you just an extremely good natured fellow? Just curious as most don't find their thinning anything more than extremely upsetting. If you can truly laugh at your situation you're one of the lucky ones.

No I'm lucky cause I can still preform a good comb-over...lol...but for long how I cannot say. :cry:

I'm optimistic about the treatment....I just got back from the store with some head and shoulders, and a big bottle of Nizirol
 

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DonLapre said:
I'm about 50 percent confident that it at LEAST makes the individual hairs smaller though...

Thats what hairloss is, Don. The hairs grow back smaller and smaller. They dont just fall out.
 

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If you have to do a comb over, forget doing one thing at a time, hit that head hard with tried and proven treatments and ditch the head and shoulders. Personally, I would get a buzz cut, forget about obsessing over the loss and counting hairs everyday and stick to the regimine religiously. You may wake up a year from now and be shocked at the hair you have. Try not to obsess over it, it does not help and can make you miserable, trust me......been there, done that.

Politics, I'm familiar with most of what you mentioned and of course I read 1984! I haven't heard of the RFID cards you mentioned. My guess would be they have something to do with identification via retinal scan? The Good Book (Bible) tells it like it was, like it is and like it's going to be. Amazing, eh? Also a little disturbing considering what Revelation lays out. One world government, I can see it coming. Uh oh, somebody stop me before I create another "super post"!

Yeah, any info. you would care to share about "our" government, "By the people and *for* the people.", would be welcomed. You probably should e-mail me with the info. as this forum is primarily issue specific and it would be inappropriate for us to stray far from the topic of hair loss.
 

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x5o said:
Yeah, any info. you would care to share about "our" government, "By the people and *for* the people.", would be welcomed. You probably should e-mail me with the info. as this forum is primarily issue specific and it would be inappropriate for us to stray far from the topic of hair loss.

Yes...you will have to give me your email address. :)

Do you think I should cut my hair pretty short then? It isn't that long, its only about 2 inches on the top just so I can comb over my bald spot. You understand right? If I cut my hair shorter do you think it will have a better chance of growing back thicker?

I just used nizoral for the first time and all I can say is wow! It feels like it took all the oil out of hair and scalp! It feels great...I am using Head and Shoulders every other day, along with nizoral. Do you think this is a good system?

I'm ordering my minoxidil and propecia tonight....what do you think? Cut my hair shorter, use those 2 shampoos, take the pill once a day, apply rogaine twice per day....?
 

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flux said:
DonLapre said:
I'm about 50 percent confident that it at LEAST makes the individual hairs smaller though...

Thats what hairloss is, Don. The hairs grow back smaller and smaller. They dont just fall out.

My hairloss might possibley be a mix between male pattern baldness and something else. My hair feel out pretty rapidly for the past 2 years, but I guess it has followed a pattern of some sorts. It just seemed like after I would get really high, I would wake up the next day and my hair would appear thinner than when I didn't smoke. I swear it has something to do with it...everyone I know that smokes is losing their hair somewhat...coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.....
 

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Thats what hairloss is, Don. The hairs grow back smaller and smaller. They dont just fall out.

Yes, that your hair falls is not the problem, it is how it regrowth afterwards that is the problem.

DonLapre said:
My hairloss might possibley be a mix between male pattern baldness and something else.

ACTUALLY, and that is a more "philosophical" approach 8), correct me if I am wrong: Hair Loss is always, a mix between male pattern baldness and something else. You cannot fight male pattern baldness, it is in your genes. Nizoral, Propecia etc... are there to actually fight that "something else" whether it is excess sebum (probably enhanced by smoke or whatever...), DHT production, vitamins, bad scalp condition etc...
It is the "something else" that we can and we need to fight against, not male pattern baldness in itself.
 

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DonLapre said:
If no one in my family is bald, then why am I going bald at 22? Thats the question of the day...hehe...plz respond :)

If we could answer this question, there'd be no need for these forums.

On a side note, there is no evidence to suggest that marijuana usage prompts male pattern baldness to occur. Many people smoke weed and do not go bald. It's not like steroids.
 

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Don, to answer what you asked me................

No, I do not think that is a good regimen. minoxidil. 2x per week would probably do nothing at all. You would be wasting your money. Most experts recommend 2x per day. I have spoken with some users who say that once a day is effective. Nobody can always stick perfectly to a regimen. This has to be taken into consideration. I have "waxed and waned" with my treatments over the years. On some occasions doing nothing for months. Lazy sometimes, forgetful sometimes, and other times just said f*** it. I am going to try and be more consistant this time around.

Back to your regimen - with the products you have chosen to use I would recommend the following:
Nizoral 3 to 4x per week
a mild shampoo w/out sulfates on non-Nizoral days
Try and use the minoxidil. (I would start on 5%) twice a day
(If you don't like the greasy feeling from it get a propylene glycol free version from a reputable supplier like Dr. Lee.....www.minoxidil.com - I find his minoxidil. causes me no scalp flaking or irritation and acts as a styling aid as it dries quickly and leaves your hair a little stiff, which I like a lot.)
Again, DITCH the Head and Shoulders shampoo......stop reading my post right now and go put it in the trash!
Propecia once per day (I believe finasteride has a half life of 24 hrs., so if you want to maintain a more consistantly higher blood level of the drug cut it in half and take half in the a.m. and the other half in the p.m. - I am not convinced this is necessary but a lot of people do it.)
I would also consider using oral L-Cysteine, vit. C and Biotin (won't grow hair on its own or stop hair loss but can help your body with what it needs to grow hair.)
Now that is a good start point to hit the bricks with young man! Listen to your elders. Keep asking around too. There are plenty of folks around here with lots of knowledge about hair loss. I'm currently trying to get someone to answer the question I posted about B6. So far no one seems to know. I'm sure someone around here knows though. Probably just a matter of time before they find and answer my post.

Oh, yeah, your cut...............well, of course it is a personal decision but I remember hearing a female writer and commentator make the remark that a flat-top hair cut makes ANY man more attractive. Just figured I'd toss that bit of female thinking out there for you. I don't know exactly what areas of your head are affected by your loss so it's hard for me to say if it would have enough hair to create a decent looking flat-top. Consult with a Barber not a stylist at the Hair Cuttery. Believe it or not, flat-tops are one of the harder cuts to do. A "Detroit" I'm told is the absolute hardest to do. If the barber does not think a flat-top will take, ask him to suggest another short cut to minimize the appearance of thinning. I get the top of my flat-top done with a double aught guard sometimes....................with it that short on top it would be hard for someone to distinguish between someone with no hair loss and someone with a lot of it. From the way you described your loss I am going to guess that for now you would be better off with a very short cut. Just make sure an experienced barber does it. One who does a lot of military and police cuts. You did inquire, I believe, about it growing back thicker. Ha!, we all wish. Not so. Cutting your hair short or shaving your head will have ABSOLUTELY NO effect on how it grows back. Remember your just cutting or shaving dead cells. Period. Hair formation occurs below the skin. The follicle that produces hair is alive, not the hair you see. What a short cut will do for you though is allow better application of the minoxidil
and allow it and your shampoos to last longer. Personally when my hair is short I don't concern myself that much with hair loss. With a double aught cut I'm practically bald anyway. That's me. Some would probably not like that at all for themselves. Like I said, it's a personal decision. If it's already only 2 inches and your doing a comb over, I don't think you can go wrong with going for it. I don't know of any females who think a comb-over is sexy. Personally, I would much rather go with a super short cut than do a comb-over. I even like a shaved head. I haven't ever shaved mine but a buddy of mine who was thinning real bad did and he gets more *** now than either one of us ever did combined. He said if he knew he would have gotten that kind of reaction he would have done it years ago. He grew a cool gotee, shaved his head, lifted a lot, and combined with his always good sense of style when it comes to clothes, he now has women literally nipping at his heels. I am not embellshing here at all. I told him when he gets a kick *** tan this summer he will be a virtual pussy god. Just thought I'd share that with you. Gave me hope. I figure if worse comes to worse with my hair I'll go that route. Face it, bald is in. Look at some of the male models and actors. Even some of the "horse shoe" guys are found attractive now. For instance, my ex-wife who was very hot when I was married to her thought that ole' Captain Jean luke Piccard was extremely handsome. Again, more inspiration for those of us that are follicularly challenged!

Anyway, I think I answered all of your questions. I believe you are on the right track. Keep this in mind when dealing with all of this........Sun Tzu advised in the book "The Art of War", that it was important to always turn misfortune into advantage. Use this experience to your advantage. Your goal should be growth, and I don't mean just hair.
 

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Ok, In regard to the minoxidil. I thought you said twice per week. I must have misread it or you edited it. Twice per day is correct.

Also, you asked about my e-mail address......that and my AIM address are both at the bottom of my posts and in my profile. Just click on the one you want.
 

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Don Lapre... that name sounds familiar? Are you that guy who does the infomercials about making millions with 900 numbers? If so, I'm really sorry for you because in your ads you always had a fantastic, Tom Cruise-like hairline.

Anyways... I liked x5o's post and agree completely. I have read a lot about the genetic aspect of hairloss and can tell you that the 'you will have the hairline of your mother's father' theory to be complete myth. You can get the male pattern baldness gene from anyone in your lineage, or through unfortunate genetic combinations created by anyone in your lineage.

From the research I have done, I too think that genetic engineering is the real final cure for hairloss. I'm thinking of some sort of genetically-engineered enzyme, that, when taken in pill form, seeks out hair follicle cells and binds themselves to the receptors that would normally be bound to by DHT. This would displace the DHT on the follicles and yet not tamper with the normal hormonal balance in the body. I know, it is fantasy, but one would think it might be possible one day. Or, perhaps even more of an exotic cure would be to change the genetic code in our hair so as to make it not succeptable to male pattern baldness triggers... this being done by way of a genetically engineered virus that we are injected with, the virus programmed to find follicle cells, attack them, and dump this genetic package into them at in intracellular level? Of course this would be very risky, as who knows what the side effects would be when you release man-made viruses into the body would be? Or, perhaps little nanotech robots injected into the bloodstream that are programmed to find their way to follicle cells where they camp out around the follicles and eat the DHT if it approaches the follicles? Eh, that probably wouldn't work either, because the robots would have some sort of waste product that they would create and who knows what that might do to a human. I suppose I better leave the science (fiction) to the scientists and get back to my hockey game.
 

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No I'm not the real Don Lapre, I just think he is funny so I often use the name. :)

Are you talking about the all star rookie game?

x5o-

My comb over isn't that extreme at all, its just a little one. I think If I apply minixodil twice a day an order the propecia I will be in for some hair growth. Remember I only started losing my hair over the last 2 years. I think I should be able to retain and also grow some too.

Thanks for all the help guys......do you really think that applying rogaine once a day is good enough? I'd rather do it at night because I would have to go to school with it on, and I don't want people to know what I am doing.....lol......

Tell me what you think......

Nizoral every other day....

Some type of normal shampoo (recommend me one) for the rest of the days....

Propecia once a day....

Rogaine once a day at night, possibley twice per day if it looks ok....

What you people think??

Thanks in advance :)
 
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