I CANT QUIT THIS DRUG! I've regrown too much damn hair!!

[Diddy]

I've spent the past 3 hours or so looking at every damn pic of my hair i've taken over the past 18 months. 18 months!! And you know what? My hair looked like absolute sh*t before i started propecia. Well 9 months in my hair in current pics looks 10x better then the before ones, and its only getting better day by day! I seriously was almost amazed at the difference!

Now i gotta quit because of the gyno, but i can't do it....its too hard, i don't wanna go back to that sh*t.... I ordered some liquid Nolvaldex tonight. Its supposed to come in 3-4 days. I am totally screwed as to what to do. If i quit i'm gonna lose this, if i don't, i could have friggin tits. $2500 to cut em out, but i'll buy a couple years on my hair...maybe i'll just take the nova with the finasteride....? sh*t i'm just rambling on...its late

I THINK I'M TALKING IN THE AREA OF 10X density increase. I absolutely forgot how bad my hair was to start. And only now is my bad temple just starting to fill in.

ITS TOO LATE TONIGHT, BUT TOMMOROW ONCE I CROP THESE PICS I'M PUTTING A TON UP.

What would you guys do if you were me? Its definately early gyno (small lump), but its also undeniable regrowth. I'd say 18 months ago i was at 25% of my 15 year old hair. now i'm at ~60%

 

[Stabber]

quit. save up for a transplant/cloning

 

[Diddy]

transplant is like min $20,000. 99% look like absolute *** i would never be satisfied with. Only Jobotronic or whoever (hasson and wong guy) is the only one i've ever seen that i thought looked good. I've seen too many guys with crappy work to ever consider it. If i could save the hair I have now for 5 years, i think i'd be pretty damn happy! Age 22-27 with quality hair would be great.
I agree it sounds nuts to consider going on considering i've gotten this side effect, BUT... the surgery for me would be FREE if it came down to it. Who's to say Nolva wouldn't keep it from growing as well? I dunno man, this is just some much to think over in one night.

 

[KO_thomas]

how long were u on finasteride, before u noticed the gyno starting?

 

[Ams99]

wow, seems like the people who get the best results with propecia are also the ones who get the worse side effects. what happens if you keep taking the propecia? the boobs will keep growing, or worse?

 

[The Fluke]

scary sh*t, get off that stuff man. try a topical dht blocker. i'm on spironolactone but it stinks like ***. so i'm on the lookout for a replacement.

 

[Diddy]

i noticed the chest pain 3 weeks ago (?) so almost 8 months exactly. The average incidence of gyno is between 6-9 months in i beleive. Initially around the 3rd month your testosterone levels will be elevated. As you approach the 6th month or so your ever adaptive body tries to restore equilibrium and starts converting that extra test to estrogen, and ta-da!
It started with a huge weekend of alcohol binging (which, reading a lot of bodybuilding forums, is a good way to get gyno when coming off roids too :lol: )

 

[Hay Head]

Your first post about gyno scared the sh*t out of me. I told myself if that happens to me I will quit taking propecia, no hesitation. The choice is yours but I would rather be bald than have b**ch-tits. Sorry if that last sentence sounded insensitive.

 

[jdell]

I'm sure this is probably a stupid question but I'm still new to all this and kind of dumb to the subject but can't you get a subscription for a T-level enhancer to even things out or will you just get another estrogen backlash? What do they do with the people that have enlarged prostates that get gyno? And there has to be SOME way to allow your body to process or burn that DHT that's floating around so your body doesn't produce the estrogen to compensate. Lots of lifting and sex? sh*t I don't know. Can someone who knows something shed a little light on this?

 

[HairlossTalk]

Diddy -

What I would suggest you do is lower your dosage, and consider getting it custom compounded for accuracy. Give it a few weeks to see if the side effects subside. You can get any specific dose you want from Communitydrug.com.

According to clinical data, you can lower your dosage to, for example 0.8mg and you won't harm your hair progress to any noticeable extent at all, but you will reduce incidence of side effects. I would try that dose for a few weeks, then if its still not enough, drop to 0.7mg. Community drug was great in custom compounding it for me. You need to get a prescription for it. Let me know if you have any problems obtaining one and I will help you out.

To offset the lowered dose, I would suggest using Topical spironolactone lotion 5% once or twice daily. This will not only provide you a bit of piece of mind but also help your hair, or offset the very remote chance that lowering your dose has any negative effect (it wont).

Whatever you do change, do it slowly, and consistently. Dont drop and add or be indecisive. Make your decisions and work your way into it. If you drop propecia entirely, ween yourself off it over 4 weeks just to give your body a break. You may also avoid shock fallout by doing this.

But you should be able to just lower your dosage and maintain your hair counts, and eliminate the side effects.

Good Luck

HairLossTalk.com

 

[kiwi1973]

Hey Diddy
have you seen a Doctor???,that would be the first thing i would do,is it posable that the Tits will go away with time

the only side effect i have had is my right Ball started hurting after the first month but that seems to have gone away, lasted about 2-3

 

[Guest]

transplant is like min $20,000. 99% look like absolute *** i would never be satisfied with. Only Jobotronic or whoever (hasson and wong guy) is the only one i've ever seen that i thought looked good. I've seen too many guys with crappy work to ever consider it. If i could save the hair I have now for 5 years, i think i'd be pretty damn happy! Age 22-27 with quality hair would be great.
I agree it sounds nuts to consider going on considering i've gotten this side effect, BUT... the surgery for me would be FREE if it came down to it. Who's to say Nolva wouldn't keep it from growing as well? I dunno man, this is just some much to think over in one night.

Actually depending on how much work you have to do, hair transplant can cost significantly less than the number you quote.

And in the hands of a competent surgeon, the results are quite good!

At least in my experience!

 

[gerard]

i think you may first try to cut your quartered proscar into half, and see if that lower the side effect.

or use a topical dht blocker as suggested.

 

[Hairybush1]

As Ususal HairLossTalk.com gave some really good advice. I wouldnt totally quit right away but that's just me.

As far as bodybuilders getting gyno while coming off roids, the answer is simple. After a few months of injecting the body with testosterone, estrogen levels skyrocket. Once an outside source of testosterone works its way out of the body, for a period of time estrogen levels remain high and that is the perfect time for a steroid user to get tits, even though the user stopped all use of the steroid.

By the way, quit the binge drinking. Its been proven that binge drinking causes brain damage and it will throw your hormones out of whack too. Personally, I hate people who get drunk, I think their actions arent much different than that of a heroin user, slow, stupid, incoherent and just bad for your health.

Some red wine or beer once in while is enough for anyone's needs.

 

[Diddy]

Well, HairLossTalk.com is probably the one person on this board who's opinion i value most, mainly because he's been through this crap (and much more).
And i'm gonna go to .5mg for a bit, along with the nolva when it arrives. I'm also cutting body fat right now, to be able to see things a bit better.

Personally it all came down to this decision for me - which would i rather prefer?
A)Be bald in a few years, with no lump on my nipple
(cost to fix ...~ in excess of $30,000 dollars, if even possible)
B)Have hair, but have a lump on my nipple (cost to fix...~$2500)
personally i'd have better self esteem with the first option. The nipple is relatively fixable, the hair is not (otherwise we wouldn't be here)

Kinda relates to those ridiculous posts people make. "would you give you're right arm for you're hair?" "uhmmm, yes i would"

Thing is that propecia isn't a surefire cure, and i'm probably gonna end up with no hair and a lump, knowing my luck. *BUT* i am responding well, and there are certain people - HairLossTalk.com (3 years wasn't it?) and TDU (going on 5) who have maintained their growth for a good amount of time.

 

[Healthy Nick]

dude, depending on how much money you have, you could just fix your chest every time there's a problem, right? keep taking propecia, but have anything undesirable cut out every one in awhile. that's your best bet if you love the hair that much.

what is the rate of gyno growth and how is it related to propecia?

 

[Jack_the_Lad]

It's my understanding that once the operation for gyno is done it shouldn't appear again!! don't know but exactly but if the fat producing glands are taken away aswell the body would no longer be able to produce fat there. I think the best thing to do is to talk to a gyno surgeon about that one.

As far as I'm concerned a fatty nipple wouldn't be a great thing but it's less noticable than a bald head, your choice really.

 

[Jack_the_Lad]

It's my understanding that once the operation for gyno is done it shouldn't appear again!! don't know but exactly but if the fat producing glands are taken away aswell the body would no longer be able to produce fat there. I think the best thing to do is to talk to a gyno surgeon about that one.

I'll take some of this back, I was just reading that if you continue too take whatever causes gyno, even after the operation it will appear again

heres a website for it, I don't see finasteride as a side effect drug for gyno

http://www.gynecomastia.org/content/gen ... nart.shtml

 

[drinkrum]

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Read the insert that comes with your Propecia and/or Proscar -- gyno is one of the documented side-effects, though rare.

D.

 

[drinkrum]

Well, HairLossTalk.com is probably the one person on this board who's opinion i value most, mainly because he's been through this crap (and much more).
And i'm gonna go to .5mg for a bit, along with the nolva when it arrives. I'm also cutting body fat right now, to be able to see things a bit better.

Personally it all came down to this decision for me - which would i rather prefer?
A)Be bald in a few years, with no lump on my nipple
(cost to fix ...~ in excess of $30,000 dollars, if even possible)
B)Have hair, but have a lump on my nipple (cost to fix...~$2500)
personally i'd have better self esteem with the first option. The nipple is relatively fixable, the hair is not (otherwise we wouldn't be here)

Kinda relates to those ridiculous posts people make. "would you give you're right arm for you're hair?" "uhmmm, yes i would"

Thing is that propecia isn't a surefire cure, and i'm probably gonna end up with no hair and a lump, knowing my luck. *BUT* i am responding well, and there are certain people - HairLossTalk.com (3 years wasn't it?) and TDU (going on 5) who have maintained their growth for a good amount of time.

Diddy --

I would go to an endo to make sure your hormones (esp. estradiol a.k.a. E2) are in fact out of whack. The endocrinologist will also be able to diagnose your gyno. First make sure it's gyno before going crazy.

Second, have you had any sexual side-effects while on your 8 months of finasteride? What dosage have you been on (i.e. quartering Proscar or taking Propecia)?

D.