I am so confuse, I hope I can get some advise.

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Hi all,
I am 23 years old Chinese, I start to have the problem of the hair loss for few years. The main problem is on the crown very thin (a little bit on the hairline), and I had been visit my doctor and he say that it was male pattern baldness. I have been taking the propecia for over 6 month, I think is working on me. But now I have some person reason have to stop taking the propecia (not the side effect). So I want to ask is there any other way to maybe slow down the hair loss problem instead of taking propecia? cause I do not have much knowlegde about the serum. I do not expect it can regrowth (Of course if it can then i would be very happy, but I don't put any hope in it yet) I just want to at lease keep the way it look right now. I want to ask is there any member have the same problem as me? I mean quit propecia and use other way such as the serum to keep the amount of hair? I have search some other products on the web site which are:
Xandrox
minoxidil
Flulidil
Revivogen
spironolactone
RU58841
What kind of function on those serum? I am not sure it will be work or not, cause I know the main problem cause the male pattern baldness is the DHT. Propecia is the only one that prove by the FDA. And I search from the web they say can also reduce the DHT by using the serum. So I want to give a try on using the serum, I hope all of u can give some adivse on the products that i have been mention (no matter good or bad).

Thanks very much and sorry about the bad grammar.
Best regard.
 
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cancelling out finasteride is losing the hardest gitting weapon against hair-loss. I have heard that Flax seed/oil/meal with lignans acts asa DHT blocker just as finasteride. I'd go with flax, multi-vitamins, MSM, and Nizoral at least.
 
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Propecia is the best tollerated and most proven treatment http://www.propecia.com and is the only way I know of (except dutasteride) to reduce serum DHT. It is safe to take when attempting pregnancy (if that was your concern).

If you cannot take propecia, then nizoral (ketoconazole 1%) shampoo three times a week has some anti-androgen and hair thickening properties.

Minoxidil topical is also shown to regrow hair and has good studies so it can be recommended (but it does not address DHT) in addition to Nizoral shampoo.

If you cannot take propecia then topical anti-androgens to consider include spironolactone, fluradil and 5FU. Of those 3 spironolactone is probably the most affordable and easiest to obtain. All make claims of benefit but do not have a lot of hair studies behind them. If cost is not an issue Dr. Proctor makes topical products which probably have a good combination of anti-androgen DHT fighting properties (the prescription topical anyway) http://www.drproctor.com/ . He has a good reputation but his products are very very expensive : (

Good luck.

PS- What do people say about herbal treatments (HE SHOU WU or FO TI) in China? Does anybody believe they work?
 
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I do think about to reduce the DHT by using the serum, the product that I mention before are they good? Do they have any side? The situation that I have is each time when I wash my hair I will have around 20 to 30 hair loss, it is not that bad but I think around 5 to 8 hair is the body hair. After I take the propecia after 6 six, I don’t see any baby hair fall off. That’s why I think the propecia is working on me.
I search from the internet that most of the people say that the crown is more easier to regrowth ( my problem is the crown) than the hairlines and the front. So I want to know is there any members have any good experience of regrowth the hair from the crown without using propecia. I have been quitting the propecia for 2 weeks now. Still looking for something that is effective or just reduce the amount of hair loss. Any command about it? Hope your guys can give me some advise
Thanks
Best Regards
AntzMK

P.S Dear Wangho,
So how is your treatment? As I read your message, u didn’t take the propecia either. So is it good to stop your hairloss? What is actually MSM do for the hair?

Cornholio: Chinese think that the problem causing hair loss is because of the kidney is not health. I don’t see much people have a good effective on it, only very very little people say that’s work. That’s why I don’t choose to use. Beside that, I have some question to ask u about the fluradil and 5FU that u mention. What kind of products is it.
Do it can block the DHT?
 
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no one have the same experience as me?
what is the people that cannot propecia how can they maintain their hair.
I heard that the people who have a unhealty liver can't take the propecia.
So what can those people do?
I think there will have some people maintain their hair without propecia right?
pls share the experience and hope you guys can provide some advice
Thanks alot.

Best Regards
 
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AntzMK you can use Spironolactone to block DHT at the scalp.

No side effects with Spironolactone.

click >>> https://www.xandrox.com/product.php


From Dr Lee.



Spironolactone is effective in protecting the follicles from DHT because it (1)
inhibits the synthesis of DHT, (2) converts testosterone in the scalp to estrogen,
and (3) blocks the androgen receptor sites on the hair follicles, effectively preventing
even circulating DHT from attaching to the receptor sites. As a result, the follicles
are protected from miniaturizing and have the potential to mature again to their
normal size.

Topical spironolactone does not cause shedding. Because it metabolizes totally and
rapidly in the skin where it is applied, there are no systemic effects.



minoxidil = topical (liquid rubbed into the scalp) to stimulate growth.
No good for fighting DHT

Xandrox = minoxidil + azelaic acid (azelaic acid is said to stop DHT)

MSM = Sulphur food suppliment from health food shops, it makes your hair ( and finger nails ) grow faster.


Good Luck.
 
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thanks for all of yours advise, it really helpful. I think i will go for Flulidil and spironolactone. Still i go for two?? or just one of them? beside that, I have search from the web that the Revivogen can also block the DHT. is it true?
cause the pics in that web site is very attactive. and what about RU58841?
I saw on some web site say that is more effective than propecia (even though I am not sure is that true or not.) do anyone of use have any good combo to maintain the hair amount or even can regrowth by using the topital serum? Because as I mention before the propecia is very effective. Is that any other member using the serum instand of propecia?
I am very thankful that whose have been reply me and give me the opinion. Thanks very much. I want to search more to give me confident to try the serum.
P.S. Is the Flulidil can also block the DHT?
THanks very much
Best Regard~
 
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No one have any experience to maintain the hair without using propecia?
Actually I was kind of worry. Because some of the forum mention that if I use the topital serum the first few month the amount will be increase. And I don't what kind of combo is good. Sorry for annoying all of u
but I need someone that i can talk to . cause I am not sure what way I should go instead of propecia. Pls Pls give me some advise. Thanks
 
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1derphull said:
Don't go with flax.

spironolactone is weak.

Go with fluridil.
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I wouldnt trust flax either.

?Any evidence to show fluradil is more effective?

I can find a few hamster flank organ and acne studies, and a stain study showing that DHT in the skin is reduced with topical spironolactone. No male pattern baldness hair studies though : ( This means spironolactone works as an anti-androgen, but it is not proven to regrow or maintain hair.

For fluradil I only find a forearm study of about 40 men showing a slight increase in the ration of hairs in anagen phase. No male hair studies. And, fluridil is expensive. Like spironolactone it has anti-androgen properties, but is not proven to grow hair...

minoxidil is proven to grow hair... If it were a choice of one or the other choose minoxidil.

However, that does not block dht. ADDITION of a topical anti-androgen (spironolactone, fluradil) is recommended. Which to choose is debatable... As above, there are no good studies for either.

spironolactone and fluradil are not PROVEN to reverse male pattern baldness by good studies, so it is "safer" to use finasteride oral to fight DHT instead of topicals... You would have more confidence that finasteride would help.
 
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Cornholio said:
1derphull said:
Don't go with flax.

spironolactone is weak.

Go with fluridil.
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I wouldnt trust flax either.

?Any evidence to show fluradil is more effective?

I can find a few hamster flank organ and acne studies, and a stain study showing that DHT in the skin is reduced with topical spironolactone. No male pattern baldness hair studies though : ( This means spironolactone works as an anti-androgen, but it is not proven to regrow or maintain hair.

For fluradil I only find a forearm study of about 40 men showing a slight increase in the ration of hairs in anagen phase. No male hair studies. And, fluridil is expensive. Like spironolactone it has anti-androgen properties, but is not proven to grow hair...

minoxidil is proven to grow hair... If it were a choice of one or the other choose minoxidil.

However, that does not block dht. ADDITION of a topical anti-androgen (spironolactone, fluradil) is recommended. Which to choose is debatable... As above, there are no good studies for either.

spironolactone and fluradil are not PROVEN to reverse male pattern baldness by good studies, so it is "safer" to use finasteride oral to fight DHT instead of topicals... You would have more confidence that finasteride would help.
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which mean that no treatment can work without finasteride right? but if the person who cannot take finasteride or have a side effect of it? what can those people do? I know minoxidil is also approve by FDA, but it can help to regrow but not to help to block the DHT. I just want to know is there any people have the same expenceice as me. (cause I cannot take the finasteride)

beside that, I have a question if i buy the spironolactone. should I apply all over my head or just the thin part? how long should it last on my head? cause I choose to use more than serum to apply on my hair.
pls give me some advise. thanks
 
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