How to know if you are going to be bald(Head and face shapes that cause hair loss)

[Mitko1]

Before posting a thread asking wheter you are going bald or not the first thing to do is to check your head shape. The head shape of men that develop thinning at the crown and receding hairline is not the same as the one that don't.

You can clearly see that balding men have wider, more uneven heads with more ridges. Non balding men have flatter and smoother heads.

I strongly believe in the scalp tension theory and I think that this is how it works. When you google head muscles you will find pictures like this

And you will notice that the areas where head muscles are located matches exactly the Norwood 7 horseshoe.

And that the galea aponeurotica is the area where baldness develop.

The head shapes of balding men to men look similar to the babies with craniosynostosis.

Craniosynostotis is a condition where a baby's cranial sutures close too early and the scull fails to provide space for the rapidly growing brain. The scull of the baby then becomes misshapen.

Since this condition is caused by genetic mutation I do believe that some men's cranial sutures are genetically predetermined to close earlier than the ones of others and they develop a mild form of craniosynostosis that go unnoticed. In this case the rapidly expandind brain doesn't have enough space to expand properly and this results in a wide head with ridges on it. As the scull continues to grow it exapands in an improper way well into adulthood. As it exapands it puts pressure on the surrounding muscles. As they are pressured they become tense and start to produce involuntary contractions. These contractions stretch the galea, tightening it and compressing tissues. Then an inflammatory response is activated. The body sends DHT to the affected areas to reduce the inflammation but it can't reduce the inflammation because it's chronic and persistent. When chronic inflammation is present somewhere in the body two progressive conditions develop called calcification and fibrosis. Those conditions prevent the blood flow from reaching the hair follicle and it becomes smaller and smaller until it becomes peach fuzz.

Evidence for this are;

Involvement of Mechanical Stress in Androgenetic Alopecia - PMC

Androgenetic alopecia (Androgenetic Alopecia) is a frequent disorder characterized by progressive hair miniaturization in a very similar pattern among all affected men. The pathogenesis is related to androgen-inducible overexpression of transforming growth factor β-1 ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study that contains images created by lisa software using measurments from the galeas of real men. Lisa is a software that can make simulations of how the surrounding forces act on an object, You can notice that the surrounding forces on the images of the galeas match exactly the pattern of how men are losing their hair.

The other evidence is the study in which bottox injections were used to relax the surrounding muscles in 10 men with androgenetic alopecia and they all experienced improvements.

A Pilot Study to Evaluate Effectiveness of Botulinum Toxin in Treatment of Androgenetic Alopecia in Males - PMC

Androgenetic alopecia is a common form of alopecia with multifactorial etiology. Finasteride and minoxidil are approved by the FDA for the treatment of androgenetic alopecia. Balding scalp is believed to have relative microvascular insufficiency. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie This is the new ultimate thread for discussion. You can read what I wrote. Of course I don't exclude the facial structure as a factor. I started checking the galeas of men who have atypical pattern and what I notice that the galea of Vanko 1 isn't exactly the typical smooth galea of a man that keeps Norwood 1 for life.

He had more like a Norwood 1,5 hairline bordering on 2. And his galea has some ridges on it.

I think that his galea is in the middle between good and bad. Men with galeas like these usually just slightly recede and don't go bald.

For example

This guy has similar galea to Vanko 1 but he won;t go bald because he has decent face shape. Vanko 1 diffused because his facial structure is very poor and caused too much tension.

This man also doesn't have very smooth galea. Decent face shape, slight recession and won't go bald.

To mention not to get confused. The first guy is not Vanko. It's another guy that has much smoother galea than him.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie The next guy i on which I have to do a galea analyzis is this guy. I think that he had slighlt mature hairline like Tobey Maguire.

His galea is also similar to the one of Tobey.

Every guy that I see that has a galea like this has hair that is ok. But this guy diffused because his very odd convex face shape and morbid obesity.

 

[Hangin'on Hair]

So your saying if your galea is f&cked, then you stand no chance for a cure.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie I am observing trans men and I notice that like cis men some are developing recession of the hairline and some aren't.

For example look at this trans man who started losing his hair on testosterone. Look what type of hairline he has pre T. With very fine hairs at the temples that look like slight recession.

This one had very receded hairline even before transitioning and look how wide is his galea.

This one developped minor recession of the hairline.

And this one didn't develop. He retained the same hairline he had before taking testosterone.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie I found pictures of Christian Bale with shaved head to the bone.

And his scull doesn't look the same as the one of a bald man. Look how smooth is it.

There is an obvious difference.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie I found this on facebook and I think that this is the type of galea to have in order to carry zero risk of going bald. Look how smooth is it.

It's not a coincidence that he retained the same hairline that he had in his childhood.

Being born with a rounded hairline doesn't mean that you are safe from receding. It all depends of what kind of galea you have.

This guy also had rounded hairline when he was young

But now he's Norwood 3 at age 23 despite his facial structure not being that bad becauuse of how badly shaped galea he has.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie Finally this forum is back. I missed it so much. I have many new ideas for posts so stay active. I started observing the headshapes of men who develop hair loss with a Norwood 1 intact and I notice that their headshape is not exactly the same as the men that don't even if their facial structure is very poor. For example yesterday I saw a man who was a Norwood 1 at the front and I noticed that his headshape is weird at the back. And I said to myself immediately: "He probably has a bald spot at the back. And as he walked further I noticed that he indeed had a bald spot.

Also the more I stare at this man's galea the more weird ridges I notice.

I think for people like these the galea is what holds the gun and the facial structure is what pulls the trigger. I don't exclude the facial structure as a factor because the facial structure of men who lose hair with a Norwood 1 is always pretty poor.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie the most difficult subject for galea analysis is for sure this man. Everything about him is very weird. His face shape is very weird, his galea is very weird. He looks like he's from another planet.

I can certainly see wideness and ridges that non balding men with poor facial structure don't have.

His galea is small and it's confusing that it looks better than it actually is. We already know that the factor is the shape and not the size of the galea.

Non balding men's headshapes have more symmetry

You can notice that above the ear.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie I am looking at baldcafe and I can see that he has really weird face shape. He has narrow space between the eyes, thin nose narrow jawline and narrow palate. His hair loss pattern is characterized I think by diffuse thinning at the crown and at the temples at the same time. You can see it at 17:28. Also I don't think that he has a good galea. You can see at 17:47 how ridged his galea is.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie I noticed that men that have good galeas and stay Norwood 1 for life always have thicker hair than the average person. For example look at David Shwimmer how thick his hair is.

He has a very smooth galea that is in symmetry with his face.

I think that people with good galeas have tension free environment for the hair to grow while the ones that are destined to diffuse have lower hair density because the top is more hypoxic because it is in tension.

You can compare David Shwimmer's density with the one of Dave Bautista whose galea is far more ridged.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie Of course the most important thing to keep your hair is to have a good galea. The facial structure itself is not to blame. If it was facial structure it would cause tension that would propagate to the galea and compress it.
The following men aren't bald simply because they have good galeas.

You can see how smooth are their galeas.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie Not every non balding men has smooth galea. There are men that have ridges on the galea and are not balding. But they always have decent bone structure. They just develop slight recession that stops at certain point.

All these men can go bald i think and if they had poor facial structure they would.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie When I first posted a thread about the craniofacial development thing people told me that David Beckham is balding. He's not balding. He has ridged galea but decent bone structure.

When he was young he was a Norwood 1 which is a proof that his galea has impacted him and caused tension.

He's Norwood 2 now but I think that he will stay like this.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie I don't know what impact the facial structure has in male pattern baldness but it indeed has impact. When you go to the baldcafe instagram you will notice that no one of the balding men he shows has decent bone structure. Here are some of them in a row.

Poor facial structure might actually prevent the blood flow from reaching the scalp effectively impeding the body's ability to fight inflammation, renew cells and create low oxygen environment required for androgenetic alopecia to develop. There's high chance that this might actually be the case rather than it causing poor posture because If a man that has good facial structure develops poor posture doesn't go bald. Also the theory of Luca Pellegrino from TMD Occlusion blog cannot explain why men even with good craniofacial development develop mature hairlines.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie Soon I am going to post a bunch of photos in a series called "Female androgenetic alopecia caught on tape". I will take some random pictures of women who have thinned far beyond the age related thinning range. I will do that because I can't find good photos on the internet and for the dumb asses that think that women don't go bald. They can have tension on the galea too and are also affected. Today at the restaurant I saw a woman that was Norwood 6. Norwood 6 with a horseshoe! I think that it's not very common because most women that have that are wearing wigs but this one probably emraced it. I didn't took photos this time but next time when I see I will. In most women pattern hair loss is not that noticeable like in men because they don't have that much testosterone to be converted to DHT and the progression is much slower.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie In order not to go bald I don't think that you need to have perfect craniofacial development. I think that you need to posses certain degree of symmetry of your face. You can see how symmetrical those men's faces are. I mean that the growth of your cheekbones should be symtrical to your jawline.

I think that none of these men will go bald. I haven't seen any bald mаn with a face shape like theirs. You can compare their faces with the faces of the men on baldcafe instagram.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie I think that If the theory that the hair follicles of balding men are just sensitive to DHT we wouldn't see so many different varieties of hair loss patterns and degrees in men. The most common pattern of course is receding to a Norwood 3 then developing a bald spot at the crown but it's not always the case. I jave seen many more. Some men develop a small slight recession at the front and develop a large bald spot at the crown while the rest stays dense, some get Norwood 2 recession and form a small bald spot at the crown. So according to people who believe in this theory some men have receptors all over the top while some just have receptors only at the crown. That is bulshit! The anatomy of all humans is the same. We all similar amount of androgen receptors all over the body.

Here is a study that debunks this.

Comparative studies on level of androgens in hair and plasma with premature male-pattern baldness - PubMed

We verified that the distribution of androgenic steroids is unlike in various regions of individual subjects. Moreover, the increased DHT/T ratio in balding plasma indirectly confirms the high activity of 5alpha-reductase type II.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It's written that the levels of DHT on the vertex area of balding subjects is higher than the one of non balding subjects meanwhile in the occipital area there is no difference. So it's not the same. We have different processes going on. Here is another study which indicates that balding men have sighlificantly higher amount of DHT in their scalp compared to non balding men.

Biochemical Roles of Testosterone and Epitestosterone to 5α-Reductase as Indicators of Male-Pattern Baldness

In establishing a theory to predict male-pattern baldness, we investigated the correlation of testosterone, epitestosterone, and dihydrotestosterone w…

www.sciencedirect.com

It's way more logical to think that men are losing their hair in those particular areas because tissues are damaged and the body increases DHT secretion trying to reduce the inflammation than that in some unknown way for some unknown reason the nature gave them receptors in those areas.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie I think that if a man has decent bone structure he won't recede past a slight Norwood 2 -ish v shaped recession. Like Sam Worthington or this man

His facial structure is by no means poor. But he's Norwood 2 because of how ridged his galea is.

Or this man

That's how I think a recession of a non balding men with a bad galea should look.
If a man starts to form an m shaped peninsula then his facial structure is problematic and he may develop diffuse hair loss.

Henry Cavill's recession also consist a v shape.

I also think that Harry Styles fall into this category and he won't recede further, develop a bald spot or diffuse. He has decent bone structure too.

 

[MikeJay]

There is this particular theory that states changes in bone structure as we age may push out hairs . I believe this is true as those suffering from male pattern baldness , has a round skull shape. This is why hair on our body doesnt shed because the skin is hardened with a layer of fat in between the bone