How To Fight Nocebo Ed While On Fina

countjulian

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So I've been on topical fina for more than a month, I just decided to start oral yesterday @ .5 MG. I still have some topical left, but I figure since I intend to taper up to 1.25 mg, better start now. I have not noticed any sideeffects until yesterday on the topical, in fact my little friend has been fairly active considering I don't have a sexual partner (lol, so hard to talk about this stuff seriously without smirking). I've been taking DIM and lifting weights or working out at least 5 times a week (mostly weights and always with some kind of resistance exercise) in an attempt to keep my T levels high. I've also been taking zinc 50 mg twice a day, because bro science says it's good for the dick and it's cheap so why not. Yesterday, though, I ran into a little trouble while trying to jack it. Now, when I first started topical fina, I said I would go on no p**rn and no fap to make sure any side effects were immediately noticeable (I've had ED both alone and with partners that I am fairly sure was 100% anxiety/situational induced, since I have not used any type of drug which could cause that affect before September and I've also had great sex, including in my car, and I jack off if anything way too frequently). I failed after two days lol. I told myself I would do so (for realsies this time) after starting oral, but this time didn't make it a day lol.

But even though my libido was high enough to push me into breaking my vow, the thing is that last night I had some trouble. That's not to say, I didn't get off, I did, 3 times actually, but I found my erection to be weak and hard to maintain (I can usually come back for more fairly quickly, I don't find that I lose interest in sex after climax actually). Now, it's possible the lowered DHT levels are getting to me, however yesterday my $600 bike was stolen while I was in the gym and I had to walk home 2 miles sweaty and cold from the gym, and since I haven't really made friends here in LA I consoled myself with a burger and a drink alone at a local pub. I also just started oral fina the same day, with the obvious trepidations. Obviously, fina could have nothing to do with my problems. However, I am paranoid that it might. Since I am on this forum I am already a neurotic mess about something that at near 30 most people don't find to be an awfully big deal.

The whole mechanics of the erection are such a mind f***. The more you try to get one, the more stressed you get, the less likely it is you'll get a good one, and good luck trying to make yourself relax. I don't know what to do.

1. How can I separate my mind f*****g me over from the sides?
2. Side note, besides DIM, zinc, and working out, what can I do to counter the hormonal affects of fina that's both safe and not too damaging to my har? I've considered going back on creatine, even though it would run counter to the fina I figure if fina's reducing my DHT by 70% than the boost from creatine four or five times a week won't have that much of an affect on the hair but might be positive for my junk.
 
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countjulian

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Just woke up, couldn't resist so I gave it another go. Same result, I am starting to get worried.
 

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Bro, I'm in the same situation like you. I started Finasterid 5 years ago and only took 2 pills, because I was so afraid from things I read on propeciahelp and so on. After I stopped I noticed sides like ED and strong ball achne. The sides stayed for maybe 1,5 weeks and that was the worst time in my life. Today I think, it was maybe nocebo, because I read so much about Finasterid and because I was sooo afraid. I'm thinking about starting with Finasterid again. I want to start slow with 0.1mg and increase the dose after several weeks.
 

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Control the variables, avoid this site for a bit and your regular p**rn viewing. See if that helps.
 

Ollie

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Give this a watch dude:


They might look stupid but coach trevor is a smart cookie. He talks about how Finasteride works on the same pathways for neurosteroids and how they suppress 'Gabba A' receptors which give the side effects many unfortunately get. Why some more than others.. who knows.
 

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So I've been on topical fina for more than a month, I just decided to start oral yesterday @ .5 MG. I still have some topical left, but I figure since I intend to taper up to 1.25 mg, better start now. I have not noticed any sideeffects until yesterday on the topical, in fact my little friend has been fairly active considering I don't have a sexual partner (lol, so hard to talk about this stuff seriously without smirking). I've been taking DIM and lifting weights or working out at least 5 times a week (mostly weights and always with some kind of resistance exercise) in an attempt to keep my T levels high. I've also been taking zinc 50 mg twice a day, because bro science says it's good for the dick and it's cheap so why not. Yesterday, though, I ran into a little trouble while trying to jack it. Now, when I first started topical fina, I said I would go on no p*rn and no fap to make sure any side effects were immediately noticeable (I've had ED both alone and with partners that I am fairly sure was 100% anxiety/situational induced, since I have not used any type of drug which could cause that affect before September and I've also had great sex, including in my car, and I jack off if anything way too frequently). I failed after two days lol. I told myself I would do so (for realsies this time) after starting oral, but this time didn't make it a day lol.

But even though my libido was high enough to push me into breaking my vow, the thing is that last night I had some trouble. That's not to say, I didn't get off, I did, 3 times actually, but I found my erection to be weak and hard to maintain (I can usually come back for more fairly quickly, I don't find that I lose interest in sex after climax actually). Now, it's possible the lowered DHT levels are getting to me, however yesterday my $600 bike was stolen while I was in the gym and I had to walk home 2 miles sweaty and cold from the gym, and since I haven't really made friends here in LA I consoled myself with a burger and a drink alone at a local pub. I also just started oral fina the same day, with the obvious trepidations. Obviously, fina could have nothing to do with my problems. However, I am paranoid that it might. Since I am on this forum I am already a neurotic mess about something that at near 30 most people don't find to be an awfully big deal.

The whole mechanics of the erection are such a mind f***. The more you try to get one, the more stressed you get, the less likely it is you'll get a good one, and good luck trying to make yourself relax. I don't know what to do.

1. How can I separate my mind f*****g me over from the sides?
2. Side note, besides DIM, zinc, and working out, what can I do to counter the hormonal affects of fina that's both safe and not too damaging to my har? I've considered going back on creatine, even though it would run counter to the fina I figure if fina's reducing my DHT by 70% than the boost from creatine four or five times a week won't have that much of an affect on the hair but might be positive for my junk.

That's why the key is to stick with it at least 4 weeks or so. You can psyche your dick out for a few days at a time. Even a week or two. But eventually, if it's working, you'll get really horny and it will just work if it's able. And you'll realize how much was really in your head.

My dick is slightly affected on 100 mg cyproterone per day but surprisingly not even that bad. I thought it would be dead meat on this regimen. Body's pretty resilient.

Plus seeing your hair grow back is a massive boost to the mood which also boosts sex drive so that helps once you start getting results.
 

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Im in the exact same situation. But I managed to took it over a period of 6 month. Unfortunately I saw no visibly results, but ofc it could have worked. Anyway i dropped. One year later my situation is (of course lol) the worst ever and still dont know if I should restart.

My sides were:
Watery semen (proven)
Weight gain (dont know if from finasteride)
Ed (it was weaker but dont know if from finasteride)
Less beard growth (maybe imagination)

Finally I wanted to restart but my local doctor (not dermatologist) told me not to take it. He is nw1 btw.
 
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Finjunkie

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The usual response from me. Over 5 years on finasteride and no sides, like taking vitamins. I was terrified when I started from reading the same crazy crap on the internet you guys have.

Best thing for me was to avoid all those places, stick with studies and more scientific info. Placebo effect is extremely strong, no personal stories are verifiable and statistically a shitload of them are placebo effect or not from finasteride.


Even in the finasteride studies the control group reported ~4% ED and finasteride group ~6%. So 2/3 of the guys in the studies with ED were getting it from something else or experiencing placebo effect.

If something makes you scared stop reading it :)
 

countjulian

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"If something makes you scared stop reading it".. What the f***??
Don't listen to this clown, not because he hasn't gotten the sides yet he won't get it later. Listen I hope you don't get them, they are horrible.
Just do your research, you think stats are accurate? Merck paid of physicians to report only 2% of their group had the sides. EVEN then, they knew that there was a high demand for a drug like this at the time meaning massive profits, they also knew that their profits would still be huge so they figured they would be able to settle lawsuits with the victims if need be. Listen, I've never taken the drug and I never will, if you want to play Russian roulette everyday with the pill go ahead, but the day that your body decides "mehh.. I don't think I need 5ar enzymes anymore" you will be royally fucked, and I mean royally fucked. This is a real thing. The enzyme is extremely important to the body from mood to libido. Chances that you get side effects are average, chances you get them permanently are small.. But boyyyyyy if you get them.. You'll understand what I mean. I thank my lucky stars I've come across many good souls that warned me before getting a prescription. Matter of fact if a doctor tried prescribing me one now I think I would educate the f****r. Anyway, good luck, I hope anyone reading this doesn't let vanity come in the way of their Life.. Because if you do get permanent sides, hair loss will BY FAR be the least of your worries.

What scientific studies are there on perm side effects? Thing is all that I have read indicating perm PFS is pretty weak.
 
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Finjunkie

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So.....You've never taken finasteride yet you're on some holy mission to convince everyone that it will basically end their life..... And you think the studies are all some big conspiracy.... And that you can educate a doctor about how much you know. And you're posting conspiracy videos linked to PFS foundation. Sounds super legit in def gonna throw away my finasteride right now.

You know that millions of people have taken finasteride right? And that it's been out in the form of proscar for well over 20 years? And that studies continue to be done to this day, well after the patents have expired and Merck makes almost nothing from the drug.

I don't mind when people post reasoned things about finasteride and sides but your replies are literally 90% unfounded bullshit
 
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