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Jm0311 said:
What happened to the finpecia that you said you had "bought" from inhouse in another thread?
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jm0311 you need to just try a treatment. i can't see why you are still so on the fence about finasteride, you've been asking about it tirelessly for weeks. now you ordered some and sent it back? sheesh hairloss is hard enough to deal with why are you making it harder?
just know, there is no guarantee that your first attempt at treatment will work and you might have to move on to other things. why waste so much time looking for the perfect product for you (doesn't seem like such a product exists) when you could already be well into a treatment...?
try to relax about it, i was stressing when i started but now that things are rolling i feel great.
just know, there is no guarantee that your first attempt at treatment will work and you might have to move on to other things. why waste so much time looking for the perfect product for you (doesn't seem like such a product exists) when you could already be well into a treatment...?
try to relax about it, i was stressing when i started but now that things are rolling i feel great.
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Jm0311 said:
Don't spend much time looking for this "non drug stuff" solution...the reality is that your male pattern baldness has a good chance of progressing if you don't use one of the core drug treatments. If that's an acceptable prognosis from your point of view then feel free to experiment. I'm not trying to encourage you to get on medication... that's a decision you should make with your MD (NOT with an offshore internet "pharmacy").
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I know, you sent it back and you're on the fence?!?! What are you on the fence about and why would you send back finasteride due to a brand? You're going to start looking like dietcola's avatar (the current one!) about this stuff. You've already been given enough knowledge to make an educated decision.
hairwegoagain, keep in mind that doctors in general probably will provide less accurate/valuable information than these forums will. Unless they see his hair loss as indicative of another health issue (which is unlikely, especially if my doctor didn't think so even though I'm an unpatterned diffuser) than they will just say propecia and rogaine.
The pharmacy is simply the place where an exchange of property is made, not where the decision to get on this stuff is made. What's the difference if it's online/overseas or at the local walgreens? One can do their research on these pharmacies between this site and HLH and be able to make an responsbile decision (albeit with some element of risk) of where to purchase their medication from.
hairwegoagain, keep in mind that doctors in general probably will provide less accurate/valuable information than these forums will. Unless they see his hair loss as indicative of another health issue (which is unlikely, especially if my doctor didn't think so even though I'm an unpatterned diffuser) than they will just say propecia and rogaine.
The pharmacy is simply the place where an exchange of property is made, not where the decision to get on this stuff is made. What's the difference if it's online/overseas or at the local walgreens? One can do their research on these pharmacies between this site and HLH and be able to make an responsbile decision (albeit with some element of risk) of where to purchase their medication from.
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FairTaxNow said:
1) Getting your prescription at Walgreens is legal. Buying pills w/o a prescription from one of these overseas internet sources is not.
2) There's a high confidence level that what you get from Walgreens is genuine product that has been handled properly throughout the supply chain. There is no assurance with the other.
3) You know where the Walgreens is - they don't hide. Try getting a physical address from from the internet pharmacy.
4) It's prescription medication for a reason...it alters blood chemistry and hormone levels. I can't imagine why a young guy wouldn't want to be under the care of a doctor while these things are manipulated...that's just common sense.
I am not anti-treatments. I am on them myself. Your point about this forum containing more detail than some doctors re: hairloss is no doubt true in some cases...as long as you know how to weed through the good and bad. Why not use this forum to arm yourself when discussing the matter with your MD? If he/she acknowledges your male pattern baldness yet shows an ignorance in its treatment, find another MD...just like you'd find a new car body shop if your current one couldn't match paint.
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hairwegoagain said:
If you mean legal as in a congressionally written statute that allows the free trade of medication than you're right. That doesn't exist. Though it is also not illegal in the sense that you will be arrested or fined for purchasing hair loss medications from unitedpharmacies.com eithers. Google the policy from customs. They state their enforcement policies are lax on non-controlled medications for personal use for up to a 90 day supply.
This sounds like you are pitting up Merck vs. Cipla vs. Dr. Reddy's. All 3 are well known and established companies. If these indian manufacturers have FDA approved medications that they are allowed to export into our country than what makes you think their manufacturing facilities produce finasteride in a manner of less quality? There is no assurance with walgreens and merck either. You don't witness the process of your medication being manufactured up until the point that you receive it in a container. Granted the risk is low but it is also considerably low when ordering from a respected online pharmacy. I'd suffice it to say that if the risk were to be measured on a stick that it would be lower buying from walgreens of course. But would that risk be going from a 0.1% risk to a 1% risk factor? I hardly doubt it would be a 25% or greater risk scenario (where in 1 in 4 shipments is fake medicine) as nobody hear has heard about receiving fake generic finasteride.
Irrelevant to most of us. Again, go with a known and respected online pharmacy. UP's customer service is top notch, probably better than Walgreens even. They have a phone number, and an email address. I don't care about physical because I'm not planning on going to Hong Kong anytime soon.
Are you saying that because it alters your blood chemistry and hormone levels is the reason it's a prescription medication? I can purchase OTC medications and herbals that do worse than finasteride does. If you will likely be PRESCRIBED this medication by the flip of a doctor's pen who knows less about this condition than people here, why can't one simply skip this process and get it themselves, basically OTC if that's what they CHOOSE to do?
I'm not anti-doctor. My doctor is great, though she doesn't know very much about male pattern baldness and I'm NOT going to ditch a great doctor who can save my life, because she knows less about a condition than I do.
You also have to consider that not everybody here has insurance so they would probably only see a doctor if they absolutely needed to. For those who DO have insurance and can easily absorb the extra costs of Merck Propecia than sure whynot go to the doctor? But I don't like the idea of discouraging somebody about making the choice to do what's best for them whether or not that's buying the meds themselves online or through the doctor/pharmacy. If somebody here is dumb enough to buy finasteride through an email spammer's online pharmacy than their own ignorance would have caught up to them eventually anyways. There's a sense of individual responsibility one must exercise throughout their lives rather than having to rely on others.
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FairTaxNow said:
Either it's illegal or it's not. There's no gray area in this matter. The fact that it may or may not be enforced is irrelevant....but since you mentioned it, do a search on this forum and you will in fact find many examples of confiscation.
I don't know that they're of lesser quality. I also don't know that they're not. Neither do you.
Apart from that, however, is the supply chain through which your order proceeds...after it departs from the manufacturer but before it gets to you in an unmarked box from various offshore locations. That's where the seediness really revs up.
I don't dispute that that there could be a problem with Merck and/or Walgreens, but comparing getting medication from a US pharmacy to getting loose strips of pills from the third world is truly absurd. By the way, I also find buying Merck-labeled finasteride from these internet sources to be equally dubious.
I understand that Dr. Reddy's now has an FDA approved finasteride tablet available via prescription in the US. Have no problem with that whatsoever. Again, it's not necessarily the idea of the medication's manufacturer (although neither you nor I are qualified to give it a thumbs up or down when procured illegally), but the ??? of where/how/when it's sourced and how it's handled in between. If you're buying a bag of marbles, it probably doesn't matter. When you're buying pharmaceuticals, it certainly does.
I understand your position, but to me it's a foolish one. Do as you wish...but to the extent that some cry about their hair here, it would seem logical to go with the known real McCoy. I also find it reckless to advise young guys to to source from an internet outfit for all the reasons I've stated above.
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I'm sure you do have herbs and other things that can do more damage. I have a chainsaw that will do more damage than either. Neither your herbs nor my chainsaw have anything to do with why finasteride is a prescription medication.
Good, I agree with your above rationale 100%. That doesn't mean you can't keep her as your GP and find another one to give you access to legitimate product and monitor you periodically while it's administered.
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hairwegoagain said:
I tried pitching this to FairTax in another thread awhile ago. He didn't buy the reasons for finasteride being a prescription drug. I pointed out that it affected hormone levels.
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I think what it comes down to is that you are just relying on nothing but fear, but if you do the research here you will overwhelmingly see the number of individuals using generic finasteride from an Indian manufacturer. Seeing this, the fact that nobody was arrested, nobody has received fake finasteride, I chose to take a small risk and buy it anyways.
You are wrong. It is gray, or you can call it legal by customs discretion. Go read it for yourself at the U.S. Customs and Border Protections website yourself rather than incorrectly and authoritatively stating something as fact.
So you understand that ANY Dr. Reddys or Cipla medication has to also be produced in the same Indian manufacturing facilities, and also LEAVE these facilities before they reach our pharmacy? As I said, if you put in a middle man which is the online pharmacy, surely there will be a slightly higher risk. Not enough to fearmonger on this in my opinion. Though enough where one should exercise some personal judgment and responsibility to come to their own conclusion rather than simply being robotic about it and following what you or I tell them to do.
You even stated yourself that there are herbals, OTC meds, and even some foods that "effect hormone levels" as well. Again, what is your point? Usage of a chainsaw also requires some individual responsibility, so good point. You know if you consume a decent amount of fat you'll release a hormone that causes your gallbladder to start pumping away to push out bile. Does this mean you're going to retract your statement and apply to only certain types of hormones? What about the artificial sweeteners, preservatives, cigarettes, etc. that are known to cause cancer? Again, stop fearmongering. You're not going to stop anybody from buying Cipla/Dr. Reddy and I will not convince them that they should, as I do not intend to. They can come to their own conclusion themselves with the proper research.
You are wrong. It is gray, or you can call it legal by customs discretion. Go read it for yourself at the U.S. Customs and Border Protections website yourself rather than incorrectly and authoritatively stating something as fact.
So you understand that ANY Dr. Reddys or Cipla medication has to also be produced in the same Indian manufacturing facilities, and also LEAVE these facilities before they reach our pharmacy? As I said, if you put in a middle man which is the online pharmacy, surely there will be a slightly higher risk. Not enough to fearmonger on this in my opinion. Though enough where one should exercise some personal judgment and responsibility to come to their own conclusion rather than simply being robotic about it and following what you or I tell them to do.
You even stated yourself that there are herbals, OTC meds, and even some foods that "effect hormone levels" as well. Again, what is your point? Usage of a chainsaw also requires some individual responsibility, so good point. You know if you consume a decent amount of fat you'll release a hormone that causes your gallbladder to start pumping away to push out bile. Does this mean you're going to retract your statement and apply to only certain types of hormones? What about the artificial sweeteners, preservatives, cigarettes, etc. that are known to cause cancer? Again, stop fearmongering. You're not going to stop anybody from buying Cipla/Dr. Reddy and I will not convince them that they should, as I do not intend to. They can come to their own conclusion themselves with the proper research.
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Pure libertarianism sucks...
Anyways, to the Original Poster, I have seen your hairline, and to be honest it looks like a mature hairline.
I could be wrong, but do you have any thinning on your temples or is your hairline strong? If I were you, I'd just give spironolactone a try, unless you are certain you have male pattern baldness then I would try finasteride.
Anyways, to the Original Poster, I have seen your hairline, and to be honest it looks like a mature hairline.
I could be wrong, but do you have any thinning on your temples or is your hairline strong? If I were you, I'd just give spironolactone a try, unless you are certain you have male pattern baldness then I would try finasteride.
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badasshairday said:
LOL. Guess that depends on what you define as "pure". As far as economic go though, Austrian is the way. You probably are libertarian, you never posted a result to the World's Smallest Political Quiz topic.
Are you recommending he try topical spironolactone or oral spironolactone?
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FairTaxNow said:
I actually scored... liberal :shock: . Actually I'm not schocked, the liberal result was just what I expected.
I'm reccomending he try topical spironolactone. No way would I reccomend oral spironolactone over finasteride especially in his case.
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badasshairday said:
Where was your dot at within the liberal range? OR, what was your economic and personal scores?
Just curious, I guess that's why Bryan is adamant that we use the proper identifier of spironolactone when suggesting its usage.