How Do We Define Aggressive Hair Loss?

[JohnsonDDG]

I've heard a lot of talk about aggressive hair loss and premature baldness and I was wondering how we define it?

First of all - what is premature baldness? Is it being a nw4/5 before 40 or is it before 30?

Second, what is aggressive hair loss? Is that losing a norwood rating per year or every other year?

Is going from a nw1 to a nw4 in ten years considered aggressive or normal?

If you guys can help shed a light then I will be grateful.

 

[stachu]

Was NW2.5 at 17
I won life

 

[CopeForLife]

I've heard a lot of talk about aggressive hair loss and premature baldness and I was wondering how we define it?

First of all - what is premature baldness? Is it being a nw4/5 before 40 or is it before 30?

Second, what is aggressive hair loss? Is that losing a norwood rating per year or every other year?

Is going from a nw1 to a nw4 in ten years considered aggressive or normal?

If you guys can help shed a light then I will be grateful.

privileged when started to bald after 20

from 15yo or gtfo

 

[JohnsonDDG]

privileged when started to bald after 20

from 15yo or gtfo

I don't know, I know a guy who went from a full head at 25 to a NW4 by 29 and I think that's pretty unlucky

 

[SmoothSailing]

Baldness is almost exponentially worse the younger you are.

16 is far worse than 19, which is far worse than 25, which is far worse than 35, which is far worse than 55.

I would define aggressive hair loss as when it occurs quickly, regardless of age.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

Baldness is almost exponentially worse the younger you are.

16 is far worse than 19, which is far worse than 25, which is far worse than 35, which is far worse than 55.

I would define aggressive hair loss as when it occurs quickly, regardless of age.

How quick is quickly? 5 years to nw5?

 

[stachu]

Oh fred, we know youre bald since early ages but it doesnt mean you are special. we feel the almost the same sh*t and thats why half of people here is registered for.

Being bald at early 20 is unfortunately one of biggest unluck which could happen but making yourself look dramatic on hairloss forum is like trying to cry louder than your cousin on funeral...

 

[CopeForLife]

I can't sympathise with anyone would reached the NW4 stage after he graduated from university.

And even less with anyone who had already started a family.

Not having a normal-looking head of hair (<NW4) reduces your chances of finishing university, getting your fun while you're young, getting a good career and finding a woman who will want to start a family with you.

People who are below NW4 take these things for granted, they think they're struggling sometimes? They have no idea what it's like to have been in the shoes of some of us.

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I was 22 on that picture. Come on, find your motivation to finish university looking like that, go to job interviews, go on Tinder, ask girls out with hair like that!

This is what aggressive hair loss looks like.

Most people wouldn't last a week with that on their heads, but somehow I managed to survive this sh*t. People think they know what it's like to suffer, they think they've been through hard times, please.

They have no idea.

you were tall and good looking anyway tho

 

[GoldenMane]

SmoothSailong hit the nail on the head, the younger it happens, the exponentially worse it is. Going bald at 20 is 10 times worse than going bald at 30.
I was a diffuse NW3 by age 26, but f***, at least I got through university with a full head of hair. If I could have got married, started a career and had s family before reaching that state then even better. I see guys in their 40s complaining at a bit of hair loss and just laugh at them, if you get to 40 then you're blessed! It's all relative

 

[Dench57]

I think if I had retrograde alopecia or any condition ruling me out of a transplant I would lose the plot. Those guys have it worst. Panic and depression would set in knowing I would never be able to restore my hair.. With how good FUE is now it basically means I will never be fully bald. Knowing hair transplants are an option is incredible for peace of mind while balding.

 

[GoldenMane]

I'm glad you can relate somehow.

It took @Wolf Pack shock loss and being forced to shave his head to really understand what I had been through.

Even though it was temporary and he would soon get a glorious head of hair.

You know how my best friend (NW2) was trying to relate to my plight? He always gives the example of the day he got a bad hair cut:

"It was too long on the sides and it looked weird! I felt depressed for weeks after that! It's horrible!"

There was also this female colleague I mentioned that was crying for days because of a bad hair cut.

If this is was a f*****g failed hair cut can do to someone, we shouldn't be surprised by the damage that balding can cause.

I was friends with this girl who was pretty superficial. Last winter I was very depressed about my hair and people calling me balding while she was crying on Facebook about some musician she liked getting a haircut that upset her for some reason. Unfriended her and never spoke to her again

 

[DoctorHouse]

SmoothSailong hit the nail on the head, the younger it happens, the exponentially worse it is. Going bald at 20 is 10 times worse than going bald at 30.
I was a diffuse NW3 by age 26, but f***, at least I got through university with a full head of hair. If I could have got married, started a career and had s family before reaching that state then even better. I see guys in their 40s complaining at a bit of hair loss and just laugh at them, if you get to 40 then you're blessed! It's all relative

I will never argue that going bald in your teens is the worst but getting aggressive balding later in life is bad too because supposedly that is uncommon too. These stories of men going from a NW2 to a NW6 in a few years when in their late 30's to late 50's would be devastating because you would age really fast too. Going from privileged to unprivileged in a short amount of time can be devastating regardless of age.

 

[davesmith420]

I think if I had retrograde alopecia or any condition ruling me out of a transplant I would lose the plot. Those guys have it worst. Panic and depression would set in knowing I would never be able to restore my hair.. With how good FUE is now it basically means I will never be fully bald. Knowing hair transplants are an option is incredible for peace of mind while balding.

Dench what is your regimen these days? Just dutasteride?


And I would say that that aggressive hair loss is when you lose a Norwood a year

 

[hanginginthewire]

I think if I had retrograde alopecia or any condition ruling me out of a transplant I would lose the plot. Those guys have it worst. Panic and depression would set in knowing I would never be able to restore my hair.. With how good FUE is now it basically means I will never be fully bald. Knowing hair transplants are an option is incredible for peace of mind while balding.

Does retrograde disqualify someone from a transplant? I thought it was pretty common. DUPA would but I thought retrograde effects areas outside the safe zone anyway....

 

[Pavi]

I disagree.. there is definitely a difference between premature balding and aggressive balding. I started balding at 16. I'm 21 now and Norwood 2. 2 Norwoods in 5 years is not aggressive. It would take me 15 years to go completely bald

 

[GoldenMane]

I will never argue that going bald in your teens is the worst but getting aggressive balding later in life is bad too because supposedly that is uncommon too. These stories of men going from a NW2 to a NW6 in a few years when in their late 30's to late 50's would be devastating because you would age really fast too. Going from privileged to unprivileged in a short amount of time can be devastating regardless of age.

I really have no sympathy for late balderd, no matter how aggressive. They had their youth. They could go out, party, meet girls, travel, sleep around, get married, start a family, start a career, all without physical disfigurement. They had their shot at life, they had more than enough time to do everything before their appearance went to sh*t, and they didn't have male pattern baldness weighing them down, limiting their potential.

 

[GoldenMane]

As for hair transplants, they're not really a safe cure for low Norwoods miniaturising in a NW6 pattern. They can fix you up good for now, but you're fucked later if finasteride stops working and no new treatments materialise. That said, youth w/hair >>> middle/old age w/shaved head and ridiculous hairline.

 

[rclark]

Went to an event with other people in their forties.

This is true, I would say, for the most part. Guys in their forties are either almost completely bald (Norwood 5 or more),
Norwood four, or have a full head of hair. By that age, there's no "in between, or Norwoood II".

Guys like me in their late forties who have treated hair loss are Norwood threes, if they are supposed to be
seven.

Also, noticed that a lot of women in their forties are bald/balding, although not as agressive. That's not to say
they aren't losing their hair as fast as men, just that they started later due to estrogen.

Now, there are a lot of full heads (more than a quarter).

However, I really think that has more to do with the fact a lot of men treated their hair loss early in their
twenties, with an anti androgen treatment.

 

[abcdefg]

I dont know if going bald younger is that bad anymore. You have a very good shot at seeing some new good treatments show up in the next 10 years.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Went to an event with other people in their forties.

This is true, I would say, for the most part. Guys in their forties are either almost completely bald (Norwood 5 or more),
Norwood four, or have a full head of hair. By that age, there's no "in between, or Norwoood II".

Guys like me in their late forties who have treated hair loss are Norwood threes, if they are supposed to be
seven.

Also, noticed that a lot of women in their forties are bald/balding, although not as agressive. That's not to say
they aren't losing their hair as fast as men, just that they started later due to estrogen.

Now, there are a lot of full heads (more than a quarter).

However, I really think that has more to do with the fact a lot of men treated their hair loss early in their
twenties, with an anti androgen treatment.

I would say from my experience of what I observe is the average Norwood for 40's is a NW3.