Help with new regimen

[Blacklabel3]

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[slurms mackenzie]

I'm wanting to add something topical to my regiment and need some advice on that matter. I really don't want side effects, anything that could mess up hormone levels, give me gyno, water retention, bloating, heart trouble, and so on. Minoxidil seems to be a good and obvious choice as a stimulant. What you do you all think about that? I'll probably opt for the foam. What about a good anti-androgen? Revivogen seems like a good pick because of the lack of side effects but I'm pretty skeptical that it would actually work. Is there anything else that doesn't have bad side effects that is somewhat proven to work? What about this Topical spironolactone stuff?

If i had to choose just one topical anti androgen between topical spironolactone and revivogen i'd choose revivogen.

I use both and it's worked for me, with some mild regrowth.

You might want to investigate something called RU 58841

New topicals should be coming out soon as well.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

I'd probably go ahead and buy the revivogen if you didn't have to buy it in a 3 month supply for 90 dollars...blah. That's why I'm looking for alternatives pretty much.

I'm also considering getting on Nizoral shampoo unless I find out it has some systemic side effects.

I use 1ml a day using about 1/2 on the crown (where i had problems) and then just using the rest elsewhere, other people use a lot more, I wouldn't consider my hairloss too aggressive so i can get away with this. If you wanted to just target a region then you could make that supply last 6 months.

In terms of bang per buck, home made spironolactone is very cheap, but should really be applied twice a day.

If you're feeling super experimental then you can make all sorts of topicals.

I've read about superzix 2 which supposedly mimics revivogen and you can even make your own copper peptides, I'm not sure how effective this stuff would be though

 

[Jacob]

Not sure why Revivogen is kicked around here like it'd be part of the Big 4 :dunno:

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Not sure why Revivogen is kicked around here like it'd be part of the Big 4 :dunno:

It probably comes in cycles, but at the moment it seems like a few posters are having success with it, so it's in fashion again. You see it all the time give it a month and everyone will be on arthritis drugs or something.

Plus there's the whole history of rev and this site (glowing testimonials and articles claiming spironolactone + rev was as effective as the peesh).

You've probably seen it all, Jacob, what's your experience of it?

 

[Jacob]

My experience of it is that nearly 10 years ago when I first started looking into trying something to deal with my hair loss...Revivogen's ads on the WWW reminded me of tv infomercials. Nothing about it appealed to me except that it was a "natural" product. Then a few years ago I contacted them about adding some other goodies..they responded that they had no desire to do that since the product worked so well. Since then they've changed the formula 3 times..adding caffeine being the latest. And now I see nothing in the ingreds list that would make it liposomal..nor do they highlight it on their website like they used to(unless that's changed since I mentioned it). If it still isn't on there..it makes me wonder if it ever was liposomal.

There are just so many other things out there. Those who have been around these forums...would you really start using Revivogen now?

Here are some links to some of the newer things out there..feel free to tell me why Revivogen would be so much better :dunno: Some don't even need to be used every day.

http://www.thinning-hair-solution.com/phytolium4.php

http://www.rhondaallison.com/Age_Inhibit_Hair_System.html?products=546

http://www.labosuisse.com/products_cre_stem.aspx

http://www.avariohealthcare.com/HAIR_LOSS_TREATMENT_BIOCLIN_PHYDRIUM_ADVANCE_AMOPOULES_MEN.html

http://www.dermatopoietin.ch/index.html

http://www.peterlamas.com/h_chscalpserum.php

 

[The Natural]

Revivogen has a nice smelling shampoo, and that's about it.

 

[freakout]

I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

What do you do for work? I would guess you do a lot of sitting and not much physical activity. What do you usually eat?

Thanks. I'm collecting data for my personal studies.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

There are just so many other things out there. Those who have been around these forums...would you really start using Revivogen now?

Here are some links to some of the newer things out there..feel free to tell me why Revivogen would be so much better Some don't even need to be used every day.

Thanks for the post.

I'm no fanboy of any one particular treatment and i have no vested interest in revivogen, I have hair loss at a glacial pace, the *weak* anti androgens are good enough for me, and like i said if i had to choose just one of the two that work it would be rev simply because having short hair i can apply it once a day even in the morning.

Those other products look interesting, I'd read about dermatopoietin, even gone to the site, but baulked when i saw the price of it, I'm guessing they're suffering because of the swiss franc.

The real problem we all have is evaluating how good these newer products are, the web isn't full of that many testimonials at least with the other stuff (spironolactone, rev, ru etc), there's plenty of testimonials saying whether or not it works (and yes plenty of people saying they're sh*t but at least the info is out there), i have no way of comparing whether or not those products are better than rev, neither do other people and until they get some kind of traction and real user testimonials. How can i say revivogen is better than those products but conversely how can i say it's worse.

Revivogen were smart they came on the scene as an early alternative to propecia and marketed through the discussion forums, the other company's are going to have to up the anti when it comes to their marketing efforts, how many times do we see a superior product lose out because of that?

At the end of the day if there are other better herbal/ cosmetic based products out there in a similar price range then that good news for everyone.

http://www.thinning-hair-solution.com/phytolium4.php

http://www.rhondaallison.com/Age_Inhibi ... oducts=546

http://www.labosuisse.com/products_cre_stem.aspx

http://www.avariohealthcare.com/HAIR_LO ... S_MEN.html

http://www.dermatopoietin.ch/index.html

http://www.peterlamas.com/h_chscalpserum.php

I'm sure there are a few other things as well which haven't taken off because of a lack of traction eg Adenosine

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Blacklabel3 your hairloss looks like it could do with something stronger than revivgen or spironolactone.

You're probably just as likely to get sides from the herbal DHT blockers as you are propecia.

I'd at least consider bringing in a bigger gun such as RU if the propecia definitely isn't your bag (sorry jacob I know you've posted links to lots of exciting things but i can't find enough info on them)

Soon we may know more about the great hope CB 03 01, and you can drop whatever it is you choose.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Revivogen has a nice smelling shampoo, and that's about it.

And finally whilst you're posting here and jacob I'm just going to go off on a wee tangent

I was wondering if you knew of any link to headaches from a mixture of curcumin and resveratrol I started it on saturday then yesterday massive headache and today slight headache, could be a co-incidence but its very very rare for me to get a headache.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Re: I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

What do you do for work? I would guess you do a lot of sitting and not much physical activity. What do you usually eat?

Thanks. I'm collecting data for my personal studies.

I sit around a lot over the course of the day but I go to the gym like 5 days week for close to a hour at the moment. I've been a heavy exerciser since I was like 15. Mostly heavy weight training and I go through some cardio phases. I defiantly wouldn't consider myself an inactive person.
I'm also a pretty conscious healthy eater. Lots of fruit/veggies/protein/healthy fat. I've never liked refined sugar/candy/junk food for my entire life, even as a young'en. My weakness is things like pasta and pizza.

So, whatever you're trying to get at probably doesn't include me :dunno:

Interesting do you supplement with creatine?

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Re: I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

Yeah, I do actually. Not straight constantly for the past 11 years but I've done a hand full of "cycles" on it. I've probably been on it for for a couple months at a time 4-5 times over my life. Oddly enough, I'm in them middle of a creatine cycle right now. My regularly used whey protein powder mix has a small amount of creatine in it but I don't think it's enough to consider myself on creatine unless I'm actually supplementing with creatine on the side.

Soooo, are you going to tell me creatine is linked to hair loss? Man I really hope not, haha.

O, and before someone asks, no steroids ever in my life. Cause I know someone might think weight lifter>steroids>hair loss. But, I'm clean.

I don't want to put a complete downer on things, but i think you should at least be aware, of a study done on creatine and dht, some people have argued that it's not. I don't know 100% what the truth is.

http://www.exercisebiology.com/index.ph ... ur_health/

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Re: I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

Yeah, I do actually. Not straight constantly for the past 11 years but I've done a hand full of "cycles" on it. I've probably been on it for for a couple months at a time 4-5 times over my life. Oddly enough, I'm in them middle of a creatine cycle right now. My regularly used whey protein powder mix has a small amount of creatine in it but I don't think it's enough to consider myself on creatine unless I'm actually supplementing with creatine on the side.

Soooo, are you going to tell me creatine is linked to hair loss? Man I really hope not, haha.

O, and before someone asks, no steroids ever in my life. Cause I know someone might think weight lifter>steroids>hair loss. But, I'm clean.

I don't want to put a complete downer on things, but i think you should at least be aware, of a study done on creatine and dht, some people have argued that it's not. I don't know 100% what the truth is.

http://www.exercisebiology.com/index.ph ... ur_health/

Well, just from reading that I'm going to be too scared to take my creatine today. Guess I'll go out and find a different whey protein and ditch the extra creatine supplements. Crap. I guess I can live without creatine, really. They say the muscle building effects are short lived anyway, and to take it in on/off cycles. I guess I can go without my once a year extra boost.

Check out the health and fitness section of this forum, the issues discussed there by people with far more experience than me, you needn't give up creatine, it might just be another reason why topical dht inhibition is needed for you.

 

[The Natural]

[quote="The Natural":1cy50bsj]Revivogen has a nice smelling shampoo, and that's about it.

And finally whilst you're posting here and jacob I'm just going to go off on a wee tangent

I was wondering if you knew of any link to headaches from a mixture of curcumin and resveratrol I started it on saturday then yesterday massive headache and today slight headache, could be a co-incidence but its very very rare for me to get a headache.[/quote:1cy50bsj]

I read about a similar reaction to curcumin and resveratrol once before. Can't remember where though.

 

[freakout]

Re: I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

I sit around a lot over the course of the day but I go to the gym like 5 days week for close to a hour at the moment.

Thanks for the reply

Hmm, you fall under the list of people who lead sedentary lifestyles. Daily heavy hour long exercises do not make you a physically active person.

Here:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/06/24/si ... index.html

 

[anxious1]

I'm going to continue the herbal DHT supplements

careful with this. In my experience saw palmetto and beta sitosterol gave me heavy shedding, with no regrowth.

they seem to be very unpredictable. i.e may work great for some, but have reverse effect on others.

I hate finasteride cos of side effects. but at least since its a drug, its been well studied, and is somewat predictable.

 

[The Natural]

The inhibition of DHT can/should be addressed topically. Internally, there are other safer and more natural ways to combat hair loss, I believe.

 

[Jacob25]

Revivogen
or
Revita?

This is the real question.