Has anyone ever had problems with Thyroid?

[amsch]

Hi there!

In the last few months more and more side effects showed up, and i really thought i was getting paranoid a bit. But now i checked the symptoms in detail and found out the most of my negative effects are the same side effects you have when having a Thyroid problem.

For me that is: Bad skin (nasty acne around the nose area, that i had not before), dark cycles under the eyes (which aren't getting better at all), very "strawy" (i hope you know what i mean) hair (at first i thought it may be the water of my shower but i had the same problem under other showers as well) as well as concentration problems. Besides im tired all the time and my libido is pretty low.

I was using finasteride 4,5 long, stopped about 3 months ago. Most of the side effects occured AFTER stoping finasteride/or get worse after quitting. However, i've had some bloodwork done (1,5 months after finasteride).

tsh (basal): 4,260 uU/ml (0,270-4,200) *

Testosterone: 4,43 ng/ml (2,40-8,27) (While3 months on finasteride my testosterone was on 8 ng/ml)
estradiol: 29,2 pg/ml (11,6-41,2) (While3 months on finasteride my testosterone was on 82 ng/ml. As you see, finasteride's not good for me, as my estrogen lvl exploded while on it.)

Prolactin: 12,55 ng/ml (2,10-17,70)

As you see, my tsh way to high (i think the usual reference lvl was 2 or something). Can anyone help me with this problem? Do you guys think this may be the reason for this side effect?

 

[Mew]

Re: Has anyone ever head problems with Thyroid?

Yes a few guys, self included, ended up with elevated TSH levels after coming off Finasteride.

Some of their stories are on propeciahelp.com:

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt ... hashimotos

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt ... hashimotos

 

[amsch]

Re: Has anyone ever head problems with Thyroid?

Oh, and what do you think is the best way to do something against it? Right now i do not have ED or fatigue, but the other (see above) symptoms.

Should it get better by itself?

 

[Mew]

Re: Has anyone ever head problems with Thyroid?

With time it may correct itself but if not you would need treatment... ie thyroid hormone replacement (Armour Thyroid or Synthroid).

Before then you should also test Free T3, Free T4, and for Hashimoto's antibodies to get a clearer picture as to what is going on with your thyroid.

 

[amsch]

Re: Has anyone ever head problems with Thyroid?

Did you experience similar symptoms? Are mine typical for problems with thyroid?

My face looks like sh*t right now.

 

[ali777]

My mom has it... It's completely unrelated to hairloss of course. She doesn't use any salt now. I haven't been living with my parents for 13 years, so I don't know the detailed effects but it's not a nice illness.

Obviously, you should be consulting a specialist.

You not feeling well may or may not be related to finasteride. It could be that you were gonna have this problems independent from finasteride. Or it could be that after finasteride your hormones tried to re-balance and somehow messed up.

If you have any doubts go and see a doctor.

 

[dan73]

Re: Has anyone ever head problems with Thyroid?

Hey dude,

Im really sorry to hear about your story, i do however have some good news for you.... Well not good for me though.
I suffer from the exact same thing. I got on line to see if anyone suffered from the same symptoms.
I've been extremely ill for a couple of years now. Im talking very, very ill.

I was on finasteride for poss 7 years (stopped a month ago). Was fine with it for the 7yrs, Lost a bit of sex drive, but nothing too bad.
The really bad side effects started a couple of years ago, when i added Pr*cerin to my finasteride and monoxidil. It was 5 months later that i started getting some really bad side effects. I was diagnosed with possible glandular fever, then Chronic fatigue etc.. One thing was for sure, i was fatigued badly for months at a time.. Puffy, racoon eyes, dark circles, dry skin, hands turned yellow (Palms) this had been going on since aug 06 ( after i started Pr*cerin). The fatigue was severe and i was bed ridden for weeks at a time. Not to mention i looked like death.

Doctors, specialists, tests, you name it, i did it. Nothing was found. I was sure it was my Thyroid, cause i was getting cold as well regulary and still do ( cold chills ) yellow hands dry skin, looks like i've aged ten years, but hair was growing back fast. I had no idea it was the combination of the 2 medicines. Dont kid yourself guys Saw Palmetto is as strong if not stronger than finasteride. and in blocking dht, but so are the sides. My brother has been on finasteride for same time. He has an erection each morning and says he's erections have never been better... No sides. My sides only started when is began taking Pr*cerin and finasteride together.

Puzzled, sick and depressed, i got on my first forum to check on possible stories. Bingo, an endless supply of poor guinea pigs like me. I stopped all medicines and within days most symptoms lifted. Fatigue gone, puffiness gone, strength came back, got a morning erection again! This is how i found out that the combination of the two were making me ill.
After 7 days of quitting pr*cerin and finasteride. I thought everything was fine again, but things were just about to get worse... Much worse.

I read about Revivogen.... Thought i may as well keep what i've grown and give it a go. Biggest mistake yet.
Within 2 days of using this product, every side effect came back ten fold and stronger. Chronic bed ridden fatigue, puffy eyes, dark circles, dry skin, yellow hands which turn a grey/green when i get cold chills , cold chills, very bad depression, shocking memory, foggy, dazed confused. More sides than ever before. My conclusion - finasteride is bad, saw palmetto WORSE. Combine both - disaster. I've been off finasteride for over a month now, but since starting Revivogen, i've never been more ill. Not sure if its a top up or if my body now will not accept blocking dht? Whatever it is, it's slowly killing me.

Went back to the doctor, he told me that the concentration through the scalp would be minimal and if finasteride was the cause this medicine should be fine. So i continued using it and sypmtoms remained. I stopped for 2 days, symptoms lifted. I have read that this medicine is concentrated Saw palmetto, very high concentration. The absorbtion through the scalp is as good as pill popping. Dont be fooled by this natural bullcrap, and that it only blocks dht on scalp. Wrong, its absorbed and tacken into your blood supply. Saw palmetto is as lethal as finasteride. It actually stops dht much better than finasteride. I only got very good regrowth from Pr*cerin. I've stopped Revivogen for 3 days now and started feeling better... until this morning. Had a shower and used Revivogen shampoo. Within 2 hours same sides started. Shampoo has same ingredients. left shampoo on head for 3/4 mins. WIthin 2 hours i was tired, eyes went puffy, hands yellow, all the usual crap! I Give up. After 7 years im gonna be one bald MF.

If you are having these sides, like i am, and many thousands of others on this forum, you need to stop. esp the Revivogen. this stuffs just as deadly as the rest. I cant stress to you how fucked up my life is atm with these chronic symptoms. From being a good looking, very fit, happy guy, i look old, tired, depressed, suffer from memory loss, and no motivation. I;ve now decided that i need to deal with being a bald eagle, but being healthy happy and having my libido back is more importantant! Im certain no product blocks Dht/ grows hair and doesn't have any sides.. Like i said, when i was just on finasteride, i had very little probs. I know another 2 friends on finasteride apart from my bro with no sides, but they just use finasteride. nothing else.

Are you still taking Revivogen? do you remember if your sides got worse when you started it? Have you taken any other products with saw palmetto or stacked it with finasteride?

Would like to hear your side...

regards d

Hope this helps. Just to make sure, get your thyroid checked, i did and it came back normal range along with every other blood count.

 

[amsch]

Re: Has anyone ever head problems with Thyroid?

Hey dude,

Im really sorry to hear about your story, i do however have some good news for you.... Well not good for me though.
I suffer from the exact same thing. I got on line to see if anyone suffered from the same symptoms.
I've been extremely ill for a couple of years now. Im talking very, very ill.

I was on finasteride for poss 7 years (stopped a month ago). Was fine with it for the 7yrs, Lost a bit of sex drive, but nothing too bad.
The really bad side effects started a couple of years ago, when i added Pr*cerin to my finasteride and monoxidil. It was 5 months later that i started getting some really bad side effects. I was diagnosed with possible glandular fever, then Chronic fatigue etc.. One thing was for sure, i was fatigued badly for months at a time.. Puffy, racoon eyes, dark circles, dry skin, hands turned yellow (Palms) this had been going on since aug 06 ( after i started Pr*cerin). The fatigue was severe and i was bed ridden for weeks at a time. Not to mention i looked like death.

Doctors, specialists, tests, you name it, i did it. Nothing was found. I was sure it was my Thyroid, cause i was getting cold as well regulary and still do ( cold chills ) yellow hands dry skin, looks like i've aged ten years, but hair was growing back fast. I had no idea it was the combination of the 2 medicines. Dont kid yourself guys Saw Palmetto is as strong if not stronger than finasteride. and in blocking dht, but so are the sides. My brother has been on finasteride for same time. He has an erection each morning and says he's erections have never been better... No sides. My sides only started when is began taking Pr*cerin and finasteride together.

Puzzled, sick and depressed, i got on my first forum to check on possible stories. Bingo, an endless supply of poor guinea pigs like me. I stopped all medicines and within days most symptoms lifted. Fatigue gone, puffiness gone, strength came back, got a morning erection again! This is how i found out that the combination of the two were making me ill.
After 7 days of quitting pr*cerin and finasteride. I thought everything was fine again, but things were just about to get worse... Much worse.

I read about Revivogen.... Thought i may as well keep what i've grown and give it a go. Biggest mistake yet.
Within 2 days of using this product, every side effect came back ten fold and stronger. Chronic bed ridden fatigue, puffy eyes, dark circles, dry skin, yellow hands which turn a grey/green when i get cold chills , cold chills, very bad depression, shocking memory, foggy, dazed confused. More sides than ever before. My conclusion - finasteride is bad, saw palmetto WORSE. Combine both - disaster. I've been off finasteride for over a month now, but since starting Revivogen, i've never been more ill. Not sure if its a top up or if my body now will not accept blocking dht? Whatever it is, it's slowly killing me.

Went back to the doctor, he told me that the concentration through the scalp would be minimal and if finasteride was the cause this medicine should be fine. So i continued using it and sypmtoms remained. I stopped for 2 days, symptoms lifted. I have read that this medicine is concentrated Saw palmetto, very high concentration. The absorbtion through the scalp is as good as pill popping. Dont be fooled by this natural bullcrap, and that it only blocks dht on scalp. Wrong, its absorbed and tacken into your blood supply. Saw palmetto is as lethal as finasteride. It actually stops dht much better than finasteride. I only got very good regrowth from Pr*cerin. I've stopped Revivogen for 3 days now and started feeling better... until this morning. Had a shower and used Revivogen shampoo. Within 2 hours same sides started. Shampoo has same ingredients. left shampoo on head for 3/4 mins. WIthin 2 hours i was tired, eyes went puffy, hands yellow, all the usual crap! I Give up. After 7 years im gonna be one bald MF.

If you are having these sides, like i am, and many thousands of others on this forum, you need to stop. esp the Revivogen. this stuffs just as deadly as the rest. I cant stress to you how f***** up my life is atm with these chronic symptoms. From being a good looking, very fit, happy guy, i look old, tired, depressed, suffer from memory loss, and no motivation. I;ve now decided that i need to deal with being a bald eagle, but being healthy happy and having my libido back is more importantant! Im certain no product blocks Dht/ grows hair and doesn't have any sides.. Like i said, when i was just on finasteride, i had very little probs. I know another 2 friends on finasteride apart from my bro with no sides, but they just use finasteride. nothing else.

Are you still taking Revivogen? do you remember if your sides got worse when you started it? Have you taken any other products with saw palmetto or stacked it with finasteride?

Would like to hear your side...

regards d

Hope this helps. Just to make sure, get your thyroid checked, i did and it came back normal range along with every other blood count.

Well i'm sorry about your story. But i would not blaim Revivogen for such severe side effects, mate. I gues something else must have been the reason for that. Anyway, thanks for your story and i hope you'll get better.

Btw, yes im still using revivogen and i'm gonna continue using it. let's see how it does.

 

[amsch]

Well, i just buzzed down my hair to 10 mm. It seems that i have a diffuse thinning pattern, even on the back on the top. May this be caused by thyroid problems?.. Mew?

 

[Mew]

Hair loss can be a result of hypothyroidism. Do some research on Google. Consider seeing a derm to get evaluated and get more bloodtests for your thyroid to confirm you have a hypothyroid problem. But judging from your elevated TSH, it looks pretty obvious to me.

According to the AACE, the "acceptable" ranges for TSH changed in 2003 such that anything above 3 is suspected as hypothyroidism, but most docs still won't treat anything above 5. So, you need to inform them of the change and fight for treatment if you want it.

Read:
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/testsforthy ... bs2003.htm
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/testsforthy ... wrange.htm
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroid ... stions.htm

 

[ttroy]

" was using finasteride 4,5 long, stopped about 3 months ago. Most of the side effects occured AFTER stoping finasteride/or get worse after quitting." Well this happened to me too. Dropping finasteride cut your T to half and you have highish prolactin as well as your thyroid problem.. it's no wonder you feel and look like sh*t as you say. I gained like 15kg and had the exact same symptoms as you (in addition to a few other): dry flaky hair, dry face, dick problems etc. This COULD all be coincidental, but I doubt it..
My TSH did jump from 1.4 to 2.8, but that's still in the normal range. You should definitely visit an endo and check T3 and T4. Good luck!

 

[amsch]

" was using finasteride 4,5 long, stopped about 3 months ago. Most of the side effects occured AFTER stoping finasteride/or get worse after quitting." Well this happened to me too. Dropping finasteride cut your T to half and you have highish prolactin as well as your thyroid problem.. it's no wonder you feel and look like s*** as you say. I gained like 15kg and had the exact same symptoms as you (in addition to a few other): dry flaky hair, dry face, dick problems etc. This COULD all be coincidental, but I doubt it..
My TSH did jump from 1.4 to 2.8, but that's still in the normal range. You should definitely visit an endo and check T3 and T4. Good luck!

Thanks for your post! How is it now? Still having the syptoms (hair etc.)?

btw, i never said i had dick problems, and i didn't gain weight either. It seems that i'm losing weight, even if i didn't do sports etc. and hang around all day long at home.

btw, you're using revivogen, right? for how long and with success?

 

[amsch]

My new Thyroid bloodwork:

TSH: 4,320 uU/ml (0,270-4,200) *
FT3: 4,14 pg/ml (1,80-4,60)
FT4: 1,60 ng/dl (0,97-1,80)

Doctor says everything is ok. But what else do doctors say?

What do you think, mew?

 

[Mew]

As mentioned in a previous post...

viewtopic.php?p=444341#p444341

If you think you deserve treatment based on your symptoms you will need to read those articles listed, print out the documented changes in TSH ranges, and convince your Doctor that your out-of-range TSH is a problem based on the new ranges (anything higher than 3.0 is suspect hypothyrodism).

Or, find another Doctor willing to treat that TSH level.

Up to you. If you aren't willing to do either... that's your choice, so good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[Guest]

As mentioned in a previous post...

viewtopic.php?p=444341#p444341

If you think you deserve treatment based on your symptoms you will need to read those articles listed, print out the documented changes in TSH ranges, and convince your Doctor that your out-of-range TSH is a problem based on the new ranges (anything higher than 3.0 is suspect hypothyrodism).

Or, find another Doctor willing to treat that TSH level.

Up to you. If you aren't willing to do either... that's your choice, so good luck with whatever you decide.

Your stupid forum must be pretty dead,That you would have to spam it here and try to enthrawl hairlosstalk members.

 

[amsch]

As mentioned in a previous post...

viewtopic.php?p=444341#p444341

If you think you deserve treatment based on your symptoms you will need to read those articles listed, print out the documented changes in TSH ranges, and convince your Doctor that your out-of-range TSH is a problem based on the new ranges (anything higher than 3.0 is suspect hypothyrodism).

Or, find another Doctor willing to treat that TSH level.

Up to you. If you aren't willing to do either... that's your choice, so good luck with whatever you decide.

Your stupid forum must be pretty dead,That you would have to spam it here and try to enthrawl hairlosstalk members.

I think it's really sad attacking a forum member that tries to help someone suffering from side effects. I know you're mad at me, but that's really not the right way, davidoff. I guess you're experienced enough that finasteride IS able to cause some annoying side effects.

 

[Guest]

Mew is not trying to help you,He is doing this out of spite for merck.

 

[Mew]

Mew is not trying to help you,He is doing this out of spite for merck.

Gee, thanks for putting words in my mouth, bucko. Yea you're sooooo right (hear that? It's called sarcasm!), I took time out of my day to try and find links and explain things to help this guy so he would potentially be able to get treatment and feel better -- all out of my spite towards Merck, of course, and not because I wanted to help "just because"! :roll:

You are one messed up dude. The guy is complaining about thyroid issues after Finasteride, he asked for some opinions and suggestions about what to do about it. If you don't like what was mentioned, too bad -- freedom of speech my friend. Seems you're offended by the useful, factual info I presented (that may actually help this guy in his quest to get treatment), instead of the useless drivel you've been offering him so far.

Seriously, what is it with this specific website and certain members (such as yourself) trying to PREVENT and DISCREDIT guys that are having side effects & hormone issues (either while on or after discontinuing a hormone altering drug), IN THE SIDE EFFECTS SUBFORUM of all places, from getting information that might potentially aid in treatment to correct their issues... from others who have been through it all before them, and who can offer an educated opinion backed up by medical research and scientific facts instead of worthless conjecture?

What are you doing here in the first place if you have nothing to offer besides useless mudslinging, which contributes absolutely NOTHING to the conversation, besides trying to stir up animosity and flamewars among members? Who needs such useless posts? Certainly not the guys looking for answers, help and treatment options, that's for sure.

It just doesn't make any sense -- unless of course you're a disbelieving Merck fanboy not currently experiencing problems from the medication, or on Merck's corporate schill payroll. And if that's the case, not sure what you're doing hanging out in the SIDE EFFECTS subforum other than to try and play down the risks of this drug and call those experiencing problems all liars -- which just makes you look like a disbelieving fool in the end to those experiencing them anyway.

Look, I hate to say this... but I sincerely hope you DO get side effects from your Finasteride usage (and at 0.25mg you probably WOULD experience the same problems, SHOULD you get them at some point, as you would at 1mg due to near-flat dose response of the drug), and your hormones get all messed up. But since I already know you'd never admit it online due to ego and because you'd be eating your own words, we'd probably never hear about it anyway. Nonetheless, it would be quite satisfying for you to experience what some others have before you, even if it is in private.

And trust me, most guys that have gone through this sh1t would not wish this stuff upon their worst enemy.

Your stupid forum must be pretty dead,That you would have to spam it here and try to enthrawl hairlosstalk members.

Uh hello, McFly? I'm not spamming anything.

Tell me, how is having a personal, out-of-sight "view my regimen" signature that YOU THEN WILLINGLY MOUSEOVER YOURSELF, spam? It's MY choice to put whatever I want in my signature, and it's been YOUR choice all along to mouseover it -- and then decide to "get offended" by your own actions in the end... LOL. Seems to me you've got the problem here, not me.

Either way -- I've wasted enough time and energy on you, and I'm done trying to converse with someone that obviously has the intellectual and behavioral capacity of a child. Have a nice day, enjoy your Finasteride, and good luck.

 

[Guest]

As mentioned in a previous post...

viewtopic.php?p=444341#p444341

If you think you deserve treatment based on your symptoms you will need to read those articles listed, print out the documented changes in TSH ranges, and convince your Doctor that your out-of-range TSH is a problem based on the new ranges (anything higher than 3.0 is suspect hypothyrodism).

Or, find another Doctor willing to treat that TSH level.

Up to you. If you aren't willing to do either... that's your choice, so good luck with whatever you decide.

Your stupid forum must be pretty dead,That you would have to spam it here and try to enthrawl hairlosstalk members.

I think it's really sad attacking a forum member that tries to help someone suffering from side effects. I know you're mad at me, but that's really not the right way, davidoff. I guess you're experienced enough that finasteride IS able to cause some annoying side effects.

Man to be honest i think your the same type of person as Timi.You think you have all these side effects but its all in your head.Its not only propecia you get sides from,ITS EVERYTHING!!!Classic Psychosomatic.

 

[ttroy]

amsch: Your TSH is definitely messed up, go to an endo. He will agree.

Davidoff: Are you for real? Many guys with finasteride/hormoneproblems have bloodwork to prove somethings is off. "It's in your head" just feels so stupid when someone has his hormones all over the place, has diagnosed gynecomastia etc. At least I have taken many drugs (even some used for cancer treatments) for rheumatoid arthritis, so I am the last person to "imagine" sides but these were very hard to ignore. But I hope you avoid these issues, I truly do.