Hairline Management, Need Some Urgent Help As A Beginner!

[Limneson]

Hey!
I just got my first system like 2 weeks ago. Got a skin system with a lace front.
Having glue for the hairline and tape the rest. Current hairsyle is showing a few centimeters of the hairline, because having full fringe does not look good in the current system I have. There is like a bigger bald spot showing then.

Problem is that the hairline glue is starting to let go and parts if the hairsystem fronline comes up just after like 2-3 days, sometimes sooner. Also glue clumps together and forms darker dots of glue wich looks really unnatural and have to be removed.
Sometimes by removing the clumps of glue weakens the bond and more of the hairsystem fronline comes up even more. Its not alwyas thou. Right now it feels a bit like russian roulett if its gonna happen or not.

I dont really know what to do if that happens at work, and feeling kinda stressed about it. Fringe is not a good option, and cant wear a hat at work. I meet alot of people at work so I cant choose to work alone. Had to replace the whole front area last night just because the hairline came up(from the scalp) a few milimiters wide where I have exposed hairline. Tooks like 2 hours, so if that happens at work the only option I have right now is a bad looking fringe hairsyle.

How do you guys do if you get draker dots of glue or the hairline bond lets go and the hairline comes up from the skin? Is there a quicker, more simple way to conseal or solve this?

Would really appreciates advice!

 

[Noah]

Hi Limneson

These problems indicate that there is something wrong with the way you are gluing your hairline. It should not be like Russian roulette as to whether it lifts during the day, and the glue should not be clumping together to form visible knots. An occasional small area of lace lifting can happen (usually in the morning after sleeping), but it should be small and barely visible, and normally you should be able to just press the loose lace back into the glue. So can I ask you about your attachment routine?

- what glue are you using?
- do you prep your scalp by rubbing it with isopropyl alcohol, before applying the glue?
- are you applying the glue in a thin even layer?
- how many layers?
- do you let each layer dry completely before applying the next layer?
- do you let the last layer dry completely before you apply the hairpiece onto the glue? (it should be tacky by dry - the consistency of the gum on the back of a Post-it note)
- do you spritz the glue with a little spray of alcohol before you apply the hairpiece, to delay slightly the adhesion of the glue, to allow you to get the piece into the perfect position?
- once it is in place, do you press the edge of the hairline hard into the glue? (I use the teeth of a metal comb held sideways to do this)
- how often do you do maintenance (i.e. take off your system for cleaning and reattachment)?

Sorry about all the questions, but hopefully we can find out what is going wrong.

Noah

 

[Limneson]

Hi Limneson

These problems indicate that there is something wrong with the way you are gluing your hairline. It should not be like Russian roulette as to whether it lifts during the day, and the glue should not be clumping together to form visible knots. An occasional small area of lace lifting can happen (usually in the morning after sleeping), but it should be small and barely visible, and normally you should be able to just press the loose lace back into the glue. So can I ask you about your attachment routine?

- what glue are you using?
- do you prep your scalp by rubbing it with isopropyl alcohol, before applying the glue?
- are you applying the glue in a thin even layer?
- how many layers?
- do you let each layer dry completely before applying the next layer?
- do you let the last layer dry completely before you apply the hairpiece onto the glue? (it should be tacky by dry - the consistency of the gum on the back of a Post-it note)
- do you spritz the glue with a little spray of alcohol before you apply the hairpiece, to delay slightly the adhesion of the glue, to allow you to get the piece into the perfect position?
- once it is in place, do you press the edge of the hairline hard into the glue? (I use the teeth of a metal comb held sideways to do this)
- how often do you do maintenance (i.e. take off your system for cleaning and reattachment)?

Sorry about all the questions, but hopefully we can find out what is going wrong.

Noah

Yeah I could be doing something wrong. Im new and think im doing everything right but there could be something I missed. It would actually be more realistic that something in the process needs improvement.

That is what happens to me that a small part/parts is lifting, and sometimes when I press it down it sticks for a while, but sometimes I have to press it a few times during the day. Sometimes it does not stick even if I press it down.

-Glue is Euro bond Touch-up.
-Yes I Use isopropyl alcohol and a bio enzym spray afterwards.
-Yes I apply 2 thin layers of Glue. Using pencils and my finger. Finger makes it smoother and easier to control where the glue goes and get a more straight line. Before I apply the next layer or the hair system i wait for the bond to become transparent and doing a test I saw on youtube. (Very lightly put the finger on the Glue and if it sticks to your finger you need more time to let it dry).
-I dont spray alcohole on the system before attaching the system. I think at least I get the system in a good posistion. I pretty slowly roll it down on the glue. And I dont roll down the whole thing completly first, I press the system down firmly inch by inch until the whole thing is attached.
yeah I also press down the hairline with a comb, both the teeth and the backside. Also I use my hand. Maybe I dont do that phase as much and as long as requierd. It usually looks thou like the hairline sticks to the scalp becuse when I comb the new attatched hairline(very carefully) the system does not lift from the scalp, if anything it looks like the scalp would lift if I would pull harder.
-I have had it for 2 weeks so I have never re-done the whole system. But I will in 2 more week(so 1 time every month). The hairline I have re-done 3 times in 2 weeks. I should have done it more often because most of the time there have been 1 or more small places where the hairline lifts. But I dident care so much about that on my vacation, but now when I work it has to be as perfect as possible.


There is absolutly no problem. I completly understand these details is important and could be vital to the result. If anything Im gratful for any help I can get.

Is it possible to use foundation to cover misscolored glue or where small parts of the system is lifting, do you do that?

 

[Limneson]

If there is a small area of the hair system lifting at the hairline and it does not stick the the scalp when u press it down. Would you ever put glue under that area with like a needle or something(and let it dry and then press it down) or is it a big no? I mean that would maybe take like 15-20 minutes(including the dry phase). I guess the risk would be since the area is so small and its hard to target that small area only, there is a risk that the glue comes up trough the lace and get stuck in the hair. (In a lace system/lacefront).

 

[Noah]

Hi Limneson

I am not familiar with Euro bond Touch-up. It's name seems to suggest it is designed for touching up the hairline rather than being the primary adhesive, although I can't say for sure. I would suggest you try switching to one of the better known adhesives, and then at least you will know that the glue is not the problem. I personally find Davlyn works well. Other popular brands are Ghostbond and Ultrahold.

I assume the bio enzyme spray is to stop the system smelling, as a result of sweat, dead skin etc. collecting under the base. If you do regular maintenance you shouldn't need that. It is only applicable if you are using the Hair Club methodology whereby the unit is superglued to your head for a month at a time. I would strongly suggest for hygiene's sake you should take your unit off for cleaning and reattachment every 10-14 days. However, if you do choose to use the spray, make sure you don't get it (or any other liquid) near the glue for 24 hours after you have attached your system. Any kind of moisture on the fresh glue before it has fully cured can spoil the bond and make it turn white. It sounds like that might be your problem, at least in part.

Apart from that, your application method sounds good.

I have never tried using foundation as a cover-up. I think it might get into the mesh and have the effect of making the lace visible, but I don't know. Honestly, if you follow the suggestions above, particularly more regular maintenance, you shouldn't need it.

 

[Noah]

If there is a small area of the hair system lifting at the hairline and it does not stick the the scalp when u press it down. Would you ever put glue under that area with like a needle or something(and let it dry and then press it down) or is it a big no? I mean that would maybe take like 15-20 minutes(including the dry phase). I guess the risk would be since the area is so small and its hard to target that small area only, there is a risk that the glue comes up trough the lace and get stuck in the hair. (In a lace system/lacefront).

Yes, you can certainly do that. I use a wooden toothpick.

 

[Limneson]

Hi Limneson

I am not familiar with Euro bond Touch-up. It's name seems to suggest it is designed for touching up the hairline rather than being the primary adhesive, although I can't say for sure. I would suggest you try switching to one of the better known adhesives, and then at least you will know that the glue is not the problem. I personally find Davlyn works well. Other popular brands are Ghostbond and Ultrahold.

I assume the bio enzyme spray is to stop the system smelling, as a result of sweat, dead skin etc. collecting under the base. If you do regular maintenance you shouldn't need that. It is only applicable if you are using the Hair Club methodology whereby the unit is superglued to your head for a month at a time. I would strongly suggest for hygiene's sake you should take your unit off for cleaning and reattachment every 10-14 days. However, if you do choose to use the spray, make sure you don't get it (or any other liquid) near the glue for 24 hours after you have attached your system. Any kind of moisture on the fresh glue before it has fully cured can spoil the bond and make it turn white. It sounds like that might be your problem, at least in part.

Apart from that, your application method sounds good.

I have never tried using foundation as a cover-up. I think it might get into the mesh and have the effect of making the lace visible, but I don't know. Honestly, if you follow the suggestions above, particularly more regular maintenance, you shouldn't need it.

Maybe it is, I got the Euro bond from the salong that I did the hair system on. But I have deffinetly thought about ordering another more well spoken brand on the forums and try that. Yes Bio enzym spray is for smell it says on the bottle and removes oil. The hair stylist that helped me said it was used for removing bacteria(like a compliment to use after alcohol).

Thanks for the advice!

I thought about getting a full skin system for my next one, what is your experience with that when it comes to maintaining the hairline?

 

[Limneson]

Yes, you can certainly do that. I use a wooden toothpick.

Awesome! Thats really good to know. Im gonna try that next time it happens. Thanks!