Hair regrowth at the cost of feminization

[PappinAce]

Hello all,

It seems to me that the anti-androgens finasteride and duta are the pinnacle of what we have in terms of "safe" options to combat male pattern baldness. Is it true that when we go beyond these treatments, we enter the territory of drugs that can induce drastic regrowth, but at the cost of altering hormones? Oral spironolactone and oral minoxidl are some of the treatments that I have heard spoken of.

Assuming that I have gender dysphoria anyway and the potential feminizing of my body would not deter me, what kind of regrowth could possibly happen with these types of treatments?

Diffuse thinning destroyed my life about five years ago. Since then I have continued into NW3 territory, where no-guard shaving is the only style that does not look ridiculous.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Hello all,

It seems to me that the anti-androgens finasteride and duta are the pinnacle of what we have in terms of "safe" options to combat male pattern baldness. Is it true that when we go beyond these treatments, we enter the territory of drugs that can induce drastic regrowth, but at the cost of altering hormones? Oral spironolactone and oral minoxidl are some of the treatments that I have heard spoken of.

Assuming that I have gender dysphoria anyway and the potential feminizing of my body would not deter me, what kind of regrowth could possibly happen with these types of treatments?

Diffuse thinning destroyed my life about five years ago. Since then I have continued into NW3 territory, where no-guard shaving is the only style that does not look ridiculous.

you may experience full restoration, it depends on the lengths you are willing to go.

How long are the areas bald? 5 years?

 

[PappinAce]

you may experience full restoration, it depends on the lengths you are willing to go.

How long are the areas bald? 5 years?

Diffuse thinning became noticeable in early 2015, yet I maintained virtually full coverage for about two years after that. Temples have been nearly bald for about a year now, in a Norwood 2.5 or so.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Diffuse thinning became noticeable in early 2015, yet I maintained virtually full coverage for about two years after that. Temples have been nearly bald for about a year now, in a Norwood 2.5 or so.

50mg Bicalutamide
2mg Estradiol
5mg Minoxidil
1mg Finasteride

=magic hair cocktail (with a lot of side effects lol)

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I write about this extensively and just put up a comprehensive interview for non-binary folks and folks on the fence about feminization:

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/hair-is-not-life-but-its-pretty-damn-close-hrt-and-pictorial-posts-prove-it.130425/page-32

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

50mg Bicalutamide
2mg Estradiol
5mg Minoxidil
1mg Finasteride

=magic hair cocktail (with a lot of side effects lol)

That's all but guaranteed to produce cosmetically-significant regrowth if not full restoration depending upon amount of initial baldness.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

That's all but guaranteed to produce cosmetically-significant regrowth if not full restoration depending upon amount of initial baldness.

Wait? You think that the stated protocol may fully restore your hair!? XD is it possible to get off minoxidil and E2 somehow after getting the result?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Wait? You think that the stated protocol may fully restore your hair!? XD is it possible to get off minoxidil and E2 somehow after getting the result?

I do, controlling for some of the hair transplant follicles that only partially took and which DR seems to restore.

 

[MrSnow]

what is estradiol, spironolactone and bicalutamide ?

 

[Pls_NW-1]

what is estradiol, spironolactone and bicalutamide ?

._. Kidding? XD

 

[MrSnow]

._. Kidding? XD

i am french, these products doesn't exist here

 

[Pls_NW-1]

i am french, these products doesn't exist here

They do, but mostly for other medical indications.

 

[MrSnow]

They do, but mostly for other medical indications.

sure, here it's impossible to get topic fina or duta you know
Nobody doctors give oral minoxidil too

we have only 2 things : fina and minoxidil...but isn't suffisant for the Androgenetic Alopecia No ? tell me ? which treatments are the best ? i am 19 and i take finasteride since soon 3 months

 

[Pls_NW-1]

sure, here it's impossible to get topic fina or duta you know
Nobody doctors give oral minoxidil too

we have only 2 things : fina and minoxidil...but isn't suffisant for the Androgenetic Alopecia No ? tell me ? which treatments are the best ? i am 19 and i take finasteride since soon 3 months

Finasteride is only for slowing down androgenetic alopecia.

Minoxidil is only a growth stimulant. Its best to use it when you "cleansed" the underlying issue.

I am not a medical advisor, nor a professional, please make your own research before starting to take stronger drugs.

 

[MrSnow]

Finasteride is only for slowing down androgenetic alopecia.

Minoxidil is only a growth stimulant. Its best to use it when you "cleansed" the underlying issue.

I am not a medical advisor, nor a professional, please make your own research before starting to take stronger drugs.

tell me the most powerful thing I could take

i thought finasteride stopped baldness when the drug was taken in norwood 1 right?

 

[Selb]

tell me the most powerful thing I could take

i thought finasteride stopped baldness when the drug was taken in norwood 1 right?

Nah, finasteride slows it down and only stops it if you’re lucky. dutasteride does a better job of it. You don’t need to feminize yourself to get significant regrowth. Microneedling, minoxidil and tretinoin, topical estrogen (not too much). All these can encourage regrowth as long as you’re taking care of DHT.

Deal with your androgens with finasteride or topical dutasteride ( to lower potential sides) and maybe a topical AA if your hair loss is aggressive. Then worry about regrowth.

And if even then you’re having trouble regrowing would I consider heavier treatments like oral minoxidil. High dose estrogen and oral AAs like Bica I would only use if you’re on the verge of suicide or you don’t mind feminization

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Nah, finasteride slows it down and only stops it if you’re lucky. dutasteride does a better job of it. You don’t need to feminize yourself to get significant regrowth. Microneedling, minoxidil and tretinoin, topical estrogen (not too much). All these can encourage regrowth as long as you’re taking care of DHT.

Deal with your androgens with finasteride or topical dutasteride ( to lower potential sides) and maybe a topical AA if your hair loss is aggressive. Then worry about regrowth.

And if even then you’re having trouble regrowing would I consider heavier treatments like oral minoxidil. High dose estrogen and oral AAs like Bica I would only use if you’re on the verge of suicide or you don’t mind feminization

Perfectly summarized! Tho 5ARi's are mostly powerless for <20 year olds. You have to use AA's, topically or orally, in aggressive one's.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

._. Kidding? XD

He's right I think that spironolactone isn't used in Europe so that would have to be off-shore to buy. Estradiol or E2 is the main type of estrogen in females so for males, it's T and for females, it's E2. Bicalutamide is from a family of meds that all end in 'mide, like flutamide and enzalutamide. The 'mides are power anti-T or anti-androgenic meds used mostly for prostate cancer and hormone replacement therapy for transgender females.

spironolactone, Cyproterone Acetate and Bicalutamide all work fairly similarly although in many ways, CPA is closer to Depo-provera, also known as medroxyprogesterone acetate.

 

[MrSnow]

Nah, finasteride slows it down and only stops it if you’re lucky. dutasteride does a better job of it. You don’t need to feminize yourself to get significant regrowth. Microneedling, minoxidil and tretinoin, topical estrogen (not too much). All these can encourage regrowth as long as you’re taking care of DHT.

Deal with your androgens with finasteride or topical dutasteride ( to lower potential sides) and maybe a topical AA if your hair loss is aggressive. Then worry about regrowth.

And if even then you’re having trouble regrowing would I consider heavier treatments like oral minoxidil. High dose estrogen and oral AAs like Bica I would only use if you’re on the verge of suicide or you don’t mind feminization

does topical estrogen feminize?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

does topical estrogen feminize?

Yes. Maybe more so ceteris paribus but there are many factors regarding how much is used, absorbed, place of ingestion, synergy and decreased inflammation.