Guys, its the dermal papilla.................study

michael barry

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1: Br J Dermatol. 2006 Apr;154(4):609-18. Links

Inhibitory autocrine factors produced by the mesenchyme-derived hair follicle dermal papilla may be a key to male pattern baldness.
Hamada K, Randall VA.
Department of Biomedical Sciences, University of Bradford, Bradford BD7 1DP, UK.

BACKGROUND: Androgenetic alopecia, or male pattern baldness, is a common, progressive disorder where large, terminal scalp hairs are gradually replaced by smaller hairs in precise patterns until only tiny vellus hairs remain. This balding can cause a marked reduction in the quality of life. Although these changes are driven by androgens, most molecular mechanisms are unknown, limiting available treatments. The mesenchyme-derived dermal papilla at the base of the mainly epithelial hair follicle controls the type of hair produced and is probably the site through which androgens act on follicle cells by altering the regulatory paracrine factors produced by dermal papilla cells. During changes in hair size the relationship between the hair and dermal papilla size remains constant, with alterations in both dermal papilla volume and cell number. This suggests that alterations within the dermal papilla itself play a key role in altering hair size in response to androgens. Cultured dermal papilla cells offer a useful model system to investigate this as they promote new hair growth in vivo, retain characteristics in vitro which reflect their parent follicle's response to androgens in vivo and secrete mitogenic factors for dermal papilla cells and keratinocytes. OBJECTIVES: To investigate whether cultured dermal papilla cells from balding follicles secrete altered amounts/types of mitogenic factors for dermal papilla cells than those from larger, normal follicles. We also aimed to determine whether rodent cells would recognize mitogenic signals from human cells in vitro and whether factors produced by balding dermal papilla cells could alter the start of a new mouse hair cycle in vivo. METHODS: Dermal papilla cells were cultured from normal, balding and almost clinically normal areas of balding scalps and their ability to produce mitogenic factors compared using both human and rat whisker dermal papilla cells as in vitro targets and mouse hair growth in vivo. RESULTS: Normal scalp cells produced soluble factors which stimulated the growth of both human scalp and rat whisker dermal papilla cells in vitro, demonstrating dose-responsive mitogenic capability across species. Although balding cells stimulated some growth, this was much reduced and they also secreted inhibitory factor(s). Balding cell media also delayed new hair growth when injected into mice. CONCLUSIONS: Human balding dermal papilla cells secrete inhibitory factors which affect the growth of both human and rodent dermal papilla cells and factors which delay the onset of anagen in mice in vivo. These inhibitory factor(s) probably cause the formation of smaller dermal papillae and smaller hairs in male pattern baldness. Identification of such factor(s) could lead to novel therapeutic approaches.PMID: 16536801 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]




Me again gents.................................PGD2 is nice, but unless the papilla makes PGD2 (and Ive no proof that it does), I think that all COX-2 produced substances are part of the inflammatory response to what happens inside the papilla at androgenic uptake. Something is going on inside the dermal papilla that is causing the body to inflame the opening in the dermis where the hair follicle emerges onto the skin surface. If that is DKK-1 killing keratinocyte cells, or if thats TGF beta killing whatever or getting whatever to replicate too quickly I have no clue, but I think that this shows that whatever is happening in baldness starts inside the papilla. Hair transplants kinda prove this also as Ive seen pics of guys who have had old plugs from the seventies flourishing in frontal scalp after the hair behind them has been gone for a decade.
 

sphlanx2006

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Sorry for being unable to understand but could this information also be usefull for Intercytex progress?
 

oyo

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I don't see how they conclude that delayed anagen causes smaller hairs. from what i understand even the severly balding still have most of their hairs in anagen. they just have become too miniaturized.
 

michael barry

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This was the verbiage that caught my eye,

Although balding cells stimulated some growth, this was much reduced and they also secreted inhibitory factor(s). Balding cell media also delayed new hair growth when injected into mice




the products of balding Dermal Papillas could SLOW both human and rat follicles. The products of normal hair follicles apparently did not REDUCE growth of either human or rat follicles.

What is happening in these papillas and is secreted by them is probably the secret to all the inflammation, immunological responses, etc. My first guess is TGF-beta and DKK-1.


Oyo, have you ever seen that apple poly photograph of one year on B-2 proanthocyandins. Apple proanthocyandins just inhibit PKC and TGF-beta. Thats it, other than probably being an anti-oxidant.
Here is the 12 month photo,
http://www.applepoly.com/procyanidin-b-2/enlarge_2.htm


That pic is awfully impressive in regards to regrowth based on something that is wholly non-anti-androgenic or especially since its not a tissue remodeller like a peptide would be in my opinion. I think it shows how strong a negative growth factor TGF-beta apparently is. It looks like there is less inflammation in the second photo also.
 

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Do you believe the pictures on that web site? I thought no one could find the study.

Are apple polyphenols supposed to work the same way minoxidil does? Can they maintain minoxidil hair? Or is NO a completely different pathway?

An apple poly solution is so much cheaper than minoxidil, and smells and tastes better.
 

michael barry

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http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v112/ ... gure-title

There is a picture of the results of proanthocyandins and minoxidil on mice. If you look close, the barley and apple proanthocyandins appear to regrow the most hair







minoxidil and B2 and B3 proanthocyandins all have a suppressive effect on TGF-beta, but the proanthocyanidins effect is not through the suppresson of a sulfanyl receptor but on the production of tgf-beta itself if I remember correctly. They don't effect NO or VEGF.
 

CCS

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looks to me like the minoxidil was stronger. Good luck getting apple poly up to 5% like with minoxidil. I can get up to 2%, and that is not pure procyanidins.

But considering that they fight the problem, and don't just up NO, that does seem better. And they are so much cheaper too.
 

michael barry

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CCS,

One could probably slow boil some beer with a couple of apple skins all diced up therein and make a "barley tea" and get alot of it at home.........................and add peppermint oil later to put on a wet head. Apple cider vinegar almost certainly has some proanthocyandin content.


Even if it IS one percent, you could just USE MORE and get more. Ive seen a few ways by which they extract the stuff involving columns and the like. It did take a little doing.
 

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