Great info for the "diet is responsible" people...

michael barry

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Wook attempted to post a link to this from another place, which we aren't allowed to do anymore. The info about globulin and albium binding your free testosterone is very relevant. Take a look:



I want to take a comprehensive look at what our problem is here.



1. ( The Basics )

Testosterone is a steroidal hormone derived from cholesterol. Its production begins in the brain when the hypothalamus detects a deficiency of testosterone in the blood and sends a messenger hormone called gonadotrophin-releasing hormone (GnRH) to the pituitary gland. This prompts the pituitary to secrete luteinizing hormone (LH), which in turn prompts the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone. About 60 percent of the circulating
testosterone is carried in blood plasma bound to a plasma protein called sex hormone binding globulin. Thirty-eight percent is bound to albumin, while only two percent of the circulating testosterone is free. "Free" refers to unbound testosterone, which is able to
enter cells and exert its metabolic effects. The conversion of testosterone to the more active dihydrotestosterone(DHT) in certain target cells depends upon the presence of the enzyme 5-a-reductase. The primary catabolic product of androgen metabolism in either
growing or resting hair follicles is androstenedione. The conversion of testosterone to androstenedione via 17-l-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase is tenfold the rate of the 5-a-reductase system that yields DHT.

( What Does DHT Do? )

DHT combines with a cytosol receptor to form a complex that enters the nucleus and joins with chromatin to initiate protein synthesis. DHT also inhibits energy production by keeping phosphodiesterase relatively inactive and by suppressing various protein (enzyme)
synthetases.

( How Does DHT Do It? )

The effects of DHT on scalp-hair is mediated through changes in intracellular concentrations of cyclic AMP (cAMP). The "second messenger" rule of cAMP states that the first messenger (a hormone, DHT) is carried to the plasma membrane of its target tissue where adenyl cyclase recognizes only the specific first messenger. Simultaneously, a catalytic subunit of adenyl cyclase produces a second messanger, a molecule, (cyclic adenosine monophosphate) which
initiates a specific physiologic function.

( Physiologic Changes In The Follicle )

The rate at which cells divide is controlled by a complex balance between two compounds: cyclic adenosine monophosphate (AMP), and cyclic guanidine monophosphate (GMP). Higher than normal levels of GMP cause cells to divide too fast. Higher levels of AMP reduce the rate of cell replication. The key to normal replication must be the balance between the two. The diverse biologic effects of cAMP are mediated through activation of a family of protein kinases, which consist of a regulatory (R) and a catalytic (C) subunit; and when bound, these kinases are not active. Cyclic AMP binds to the R subunit, (a binding protein) for cAMP and subsequently releases the C subunit to form an active enzyme. Therefore, the more cAMP available in the androgen-sensitive hair follicles, the stronger the activation of the protein kinase. An increase in cAMP concentrations in hair follicles would produce diverse effects on various enzymes and reaction pathways. Inhibition of glycolysis - by the action
of the active C subunit on the enzyme phosphofructokinase – decreases the energy available for the cell to maintain its metabolic functions. The same active subunit effectively slows
posttranslational protein synthesis and interferes with cell cycles at the C1 and S phases. These combined effects of high cAMP concentrations result in premature completion of the anagen stage; and this, in turn, yields follicles that are thinner and shorter than those of normal terminal hair. Apparently, the differences in sensitivities for androgens of various types of hair follicles reside in the cAMP protein-kinase system.

2. ( Minoxidil )

Minoxidil works in the follicles that contain Phenol-sulfating phenol sulfotransferase 1, which metabolizes minoxidil to minoxidil sulfate. Minoxidil Suflate stimulates the production of vascular endothelial growth factor, a possible promoter of hair growth. The
mechanism of production of vascular endothelial growth factor remains unclear, however, we do know that adenosine serves as a mediator of vascular endothelial growth factor production. Dermal papilla cells have both adenosine receptors and sulfonylurea receptors, the latter of which is a well-known target receptor for adenosine-triphosphate-sensitive potassium channel openers. So, the effect of minoxidil sulfate is mediated by adenosine, which triggers intracellular signal transduction via both adenosine A1 and A2 receptors, and the expression of sulfonylurea receptor 2B in dermal papilla cells might play a role in the production of adenosine.

( male pattern baldness Out-Thinks Minoxidil )

We all notice that male pattern baldness 'figures out' Minoxidil after a while and starts to counteract its positive effects. One reason for this could be that a chemical reaction is produced to block the conversion of Minoxidil to Minoxidil Sulfate. This reason has been noticed in many studies that showed minoxidil ineffective in follicles that did not have Phenol-Sulfating phenol sulfotransferase 1. If true, that would explain why minoxidil only grows hair on certain places of the scalp and not others. Minoxidil also increases NO, and male pattern baldness matches the increase with Superoxide. The reaction produces Peroxynitrite which puts stress on the mitochondria (minoxidil speeds this up creating a "resistance" of sorts and the detrimental reaction between NO & SO occurs at a rate 6 times greater than that which current treatments containing Cu/Zn are able to inhibit it(i.e. copper & zinc... foliigen/tricomin/zix). In other words by a paradoxical twist of biological and chemical
fate, the more you supplement NO (i.e. through minoxidil) the more there is to react in a detrimental fashion with the Superoxide to form Peroxynitrite which then actually further inhibits your attempts to achieve beneficial vasodilation amongst other things, which you want from minoxidil.) Peroxynitrite, which itself seems to be responsible for depleting NO bioavailability, and subsequently hindering vasodilation, and causing ultimate endothelial dysfunction. The toxicity of Peroxynitrite is mediated through mitochondrial dysfunction which leads to the mitochondria releasing cytochrome C.

3. ( PROGRAMMED CELL DEATH )

Whether a person uses Minoxidil or not, the activation of the chemical processes ( such as cytochrome C ) caused by DHT starts the caspase 9 cascade. The Caspase 9 cascade is activated as TGF-B and A increase around our follicles, TGF-beta1 activates interleukin
(IL)-6 via multiple signaling pathways including Smad2, nuclear factor-kappaB (nuclear factor (NF)-kappa B, which activates genes encoding inflammatory cytokines ), JNK, and Ras. Following different stimuli, such as cytokines or DNA-damaging agents, Ik-B is
phosphorylated by the IKK kinase complex, polyubiquitinated and degraded. Then, the NF-B nuclear localization signal (NLS) is freed allowing the nuclear translocation of the transcription factor and the induction of its target genes. These target genes code for
proinflammatory molecules as well as pro or antiapoptotic proteins. cells that are attacked by TGF-B cause apoptosis induction by macrophages,TGF-A efficiently eliminates cells during intercellular induction of apoptosis, both factors act synergistically during apoptosis.

4. ( Caspase 3 )

This propogates into caspase 3 which tells the hair follicle to "sleep" through TNF-A, and B. TNF-A activates a sphingomyelinase that induces apoptosis through the generation of ceramides from sphingomyelin. TNF-A, ionizing radiations and chemotherapeutic drugs have been shown to induce (NF)kappa-B. The expression of an unresponsive mutated Ik-B inhibitor sequestered (NF)kappa-B in the cytoplasm and increased apoptosis following treatment by cytotoxic agents. TNF-b causes an inhibition of lipoprotein lipase present on the surface of vascular endothelial cells. The predominant site of TNF-b synthesis is T-lymphocytes, in particular the special class of T-cells called cytotoxic T-lymphocytes (CTL cells). The induction of TNF-b expression results from elevations in IL-2 as well as the interaction of antigen with T-cell receptors.
*(The expression of both IL-2 and the IL-2 receptor by T-cells is induced by IL-1. The predominant function of IL-1 is to enhance the activation of T-cells in response to antigen. IL-2 is the major interleukin responsible for clonal T-cell proliferation. IL-2 also exerts effects on B-cells, macrophages, and natural killer (NK) cells. The production of IL-2 occurs primarily by CD4+ T-helper cells)

5. ( A chlorine bath for our follicles )

The immune system see's these signals as a foreign antigen and goes to the source to uleash armageddon on our follicles by spraying them with cholorine bleach, not to mention that the cell death occurs due to the properties of all the other chemicals involved.

6. ( Physical Result on the Follicle )

Normally, cells multiply in the lower dermal sheath and then migrate into the dermal papilla at the start of a new hair growth cycle. At the end of the hair growth cycle the cells migrate out again either back into the dermal sheath or out into the dermis. In Androgenic
Alopecia the difference comes at the end of each growth cycle, when the dermal papilla cells migrate away from the follicle and do not return, which makes the dermal papilla structure become progressively smaller with each growth cycle.
 

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Makes it sound like minoxidil is a waste of time. not only that, but it will make things worse eventually.
 

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Re: Great info for the "diet is responsible" peopl

michael barry said:
( male pattern baldness Out-Thinks Minoxidil )

We all notice that male pattern baldness 'figures out' Minoxidil after a while and starts to counteract its positive effects.

This statement is totally unqualified. I find it hard to take any hypothesis seriously when it is based on a 'fact' that looks like it could have come out of a fortune cookie.
 

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I agree. I don't think male pattern baldness "out-thinks" minoxidil, I think it simply continues, even while you're using minoxidil!
 

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I am interested in what makes those stem cells migrate away from the follicle, instead of towards it.

As for where minoxidil works, it works just fine on the front of my scalp. And if it is not made to minoxidil sulphate, then no superoxide will be stimulated either, so no risk.

This article does give more reason to add anti-oxidants to your head. The immune system kills stuff with free radicals.

As for minoxidil speading up male pattern baldness, don't minoxidil users return to placebo after getting off minoxidil? I saw that on a graph that went at least 6 months or 1 year. Also, after the minoxidil peaks, I think the downwards trend is no faster than placebo. I did not see a graph for that last one, but Bryan mentioned it.
 

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I cut and paste an interesting post primarily about globulin and albium and how they bind 98 percent of testosteorone and how diet might affect this and lower the amount of bound testosterone, and there is verbiage about minoxidil in the latter half of the script I linked, and what do people talk about...............................

????????????????Goddamned minoxidil.



I think I might take a long break from hair arcania. ICX will be the answer anyway. Best of luck all.
 

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michael barry said:
I cut and paste an interesting post primarily about globulin and albium and how they bind 98 percent of testosteorone and how diet might affect this and lower the amount of bound testosterone, and there is verbiage about minoxidil in the latter half of the script I linked, and what do people talk about...............................

????????????????Goddamned minoxidil.



I think I might take a long break from hair arcania. ICX will be the answer anyway. Best of luck all.

why would you want to bind your testosterone? Might as well take spironolactone like IBM if you want that route. Just keep on testing topical anti-androgens for us. At least the mint water smells good. I just wish I knew how strong is it. I wish you'd put it on one side, and GTE on the other side of your beard.
 

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Re: Great info for the "diet is responsible" peopl

michael barry said:
Wook attempted to post a link to this from another place, which we aren't allowed to do anymore. The info about globulin and albium binding your free testosterone is very relevant. Take a look:



I want to take a comprehensive look at what our problem is here.



1. ( The Basics )

Testosterone is a steroidal hormone derived from cholesterol. Its production begins in the brain when the hypothalamus detects a deficiency of testosterone in the blood and sends a messenger hormone called gonadotrophin-releasing hormone (GnRH) to the pituitary gland. This prompts the pituitary to secrete luteinizing hormone (LH), which in turn prompts the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone. About 60 percent of the circulating
testosterone is carried in blood plasma bound to a plasma protein called sex hormone binding globulin. Thirty-eight percent is bound to albumin, while only two percent of the circulating testosterone is free. "Free" refers to unbound testosterone, which is able to
enter cells and exert its metabolic effects. The conversion of testosterone to the more active dihydrotestosterone(DHT) in certain target cells depends upon the presence of the enzyme 5-a-reductase. The primary catabolic product of androgen metabolism in either
growing or resting hair follicles is androstenedione. The conversion of testosterone to androstenedione via 17-l-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase is tenfold the rate of the 5-a-reductase system that yields DHT.

( What Does DHT Do? )

DHT combines with a cytosol receptor to form a complex that enters the nucleus and joins with chromatin to initiate protein synthesis. DHT also inhibits energy production by keeping phosphodiesterase relatively inactive and by suppressing various protein (enzyme)
synthetases.

( How Does DHT Do It? )

The effects of DHT on scalp-hair is mediated through changes in intracellular concentrations of cyclic AMP (cAMP). The "second messenger" rule of cAMP states that the first messenger (a hormone, DHT) is carried to the plasma membrane of its target tissue where adenyl cyclase recognizes only the specific first messenger. Simultaneously, a catalytic subunit of adenyl cyclase produces a second messanger, a molecule, (cyclic adenosine monophosphate) which
initiates a specific physiologic function.

( Physiologic Changes In The Follicle )

The rate at which cells divide is controlled by a complex balance between two compounds: cyclic adenosine monophosphate (AMP), and cyclic guanidine monophosphate (GMP). Higher than normal levels of GMP cause cells to divide too fast. Higher levels of AMP reduce the rate of cell replication. The key to normal replication must be the balance between the two. The diverse biologic effects of cAMP are mediated through activation of a family of protein kinases, which consist of a regulatory (R) and a catalytic (C) subunit; and when bound, these kinases are not active. Cyclic AMP binds to the R subunit, (a binding protein) for cAMP and subsequently releases the C subunit to form an active enzyme. Therefore, the more cAMP available in the androgen-sensitive hair follicles, the stronger the activation of the protein kinase. An increase in cAMP concentrations in hair follicles would produce diverse effects on various enzymes and reaction pathways. Inhibition of glycolysis - by the action
of the active C subunit on the enzyme phosphofructokinase – decreases the energy available for the cell to maintain its metabolic functions. The same active subunit effectively slows
posttranslational protein synthesis and interferes with cell cycles at the C1 and S phases. These combined effects of high cAMP concentrations result in premature completion of the anagen stage; and this, in turn, yields follicles that are thinner and shorter than those of normal terminal hair. Apparently, the differences in sensitivities for androgens of various types of hair follicles reside in the cAMP protein-kinase system.

2. ( Minoxidil )

Minoxidil works in the follicles that contain Phenol-sulfating phenol sulfotransferase 1, which metabolizes minoxidil to minoxidil sulfate. Minoxidil Suflate stimulates the production of vascular endothelial growth factor, a possible promoter of hair growth. The
mechanism of production of vascular endothelial growth factor remains unclear, however, we do know that adenosine serves as a mediator of vascular endothelial growth factor production. Dermal papilla cells have both adenosine receptors and sulfonylurea receptors, the latter of which is a well-known target receptor for adenosine-triphosphate-sensitive potassium channel openers. So, the effect of minoxidil sulfate is mediated by adenosine, which triggers intracellular signal transduction via both adenosine A1 and A2 receptors, and the expression of sulfonylurea receptor 2B in dermal papilla cells might play a role in the production of adenosine.

( male pattern baldness Out-Thinks Minoxidil )

We all notice that male pattern baldness 'figures out' Minoxidil after a while and starts to counteract its positive effects. One reason for this could be that a chemical reaction is produced to block the conversion of Minoxidil to Minoxidil Sulfate. This reason has been noticed in many studies that showed minoxidil ineffective in follicles that did not have Phenol-Sulfating phenol sulfotransferase 1. If true, that would explain why minoxidil only grows hair on certain places of the scalp and not others. Minoxidil also increases NO, and male pattern baldness matches the increase with Superoxide. The reaction produces Peroxynitrite which puts stress on the mitochondria (minoxidil speeds this up creating a "resistance" of sorts and the detrimental reaction between NO & SO occurs at a rate 6 times greater than that which current treatments containing Cu/Zn are able to inhibit it(i.e. copper & zinc... foliigen/tricomin/zix). In other words by a paradoxical twist of biological and chemical
fate, the more you supplement NO (i.e. through minoxidil) the more there is to react in a detrimental fashion with the Superoxide to form Peroxynitrite which then actually further inhibits your attempts to achieve beneficial vasodilation amongst other things, which you want from minoxidil.) Peroxynitrite, which itself seems to be responsible for depleting NO bioavailability, and subsequently hindering vasodilation, and causing ultimate endothelial dysfunction. The toxicity of Peroxynitrite is mediated through mitochondrial dysfunction which leads to the mitochondria releasing cytochrome C.

3. ( PROGRAMMED CELL DEATH )

Whether a person uses Minoxidil or not, the activation of the chemical processes ( such as cytochrome C ) caused by DHT starts the caspase 9 cascade. The Caspase 9 cascade is activated as TGF-B and A increase around our follicles, TGF-beta1 activates interleukin
(IL)-6 via multiple signaling pathways including Smad2, nuclear factor-kappaB (nuclear factor (NF)-kappa B, which activates genes encoding inflammatory cytokines ), JNK, and Ras. Following different stimuli, such as cytokines or DNA-damaging agents, Ik-B is
phosphorylated by the IKK kinase complex, polyubiquitinated and degraded. Then, the NF-B nuclear localization signal (NLS) is freed allowing the nuclear translocation of the transcription factor and the induction of its target genes. These target genes code for
proinflammatory molecules as well as pro or antiapoptotic proteins. cells that are attacked by TGF-B cause apoptosis induction by macrophages,TGF-A efficiently eliminates cells during intercellular induction of apoptosis, both factors act synergistically during apoptosis.

4. ( Caspase 3 )

This propogates into caspase 3 which tells the hair follicle to "sleep" through TNF-A, and B. TNF-A activates a sphingomyelinase that induces apoptosis through the generation of ceramides from sphingomyelin. TNF-A, ionizing radiations and chemotherapeutic drugs have been shown to induce (NF)kappa-B. The expression of an unresponsive mutated Ik-B inhibitor sequestered (NF)kappa-B in the cytoplasm and increased apoptosis following treatment by cytotoxic agents. TNF-b causes an inhibition of lipoprotein lipase present on the surface of vascular endothelial cells. The predominant site of TNF-b synthesis is T-lymphocytes, in particular the special class of T-cells called cytotoxic T-lymphocytes (CTL cells). The induction of TNF-b expression results from elevations in IL-2 as well as the interaction of antigen with T-cell receptors.
*(The expression of both IL-2 and the IL-2 receptor by T-cells is induced by IL-1. The predominant function of IL-1 is to enhance the activation of T-cells in response to antigen. IL-2 is the major interleukin responsible for clonal T-cell proliferation. IL-2 also exerts effects on B-cells, macrophages, and natural killer (NK) cells. The production of IL-2 occurs primarily by CD4+ T-helper cells)

5. ( A chlorine bath for our follicles )

The immune system see's these signals as a foreign antigen and goes to the source to uleash armageddon on our follicles by spraying them with cholorine bleach, not to mention that the cell death occurs due to the properties of all the other chemicals involved.

6. ( Physical Result on the Follicle )

Normally, cells multiply in the lower dermal sheath and then migrate into the dermal papilla at the start of a new hair growth cycle. At the end of the hair growth cycle the cells migrate out again either back into the dermal sheath or out into the dermis. In Androgenic
Alopecia the difference comes at the end of each growth cycle, when the dermal papilla cells migrate away from the follicle and do not return, which makes the dermal papilla structure become progressively smaller with each growth cycle.

I'm trying to comprehend all of this without my head exploding. How are you explaining that diet plays a role, can you put it in more simple terms for retarded people like me?
 

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FIRST>>>sixty percent of your testosterone is normally bound to globulin.

SECOND>>thirty eight percent of your testosterone is normally bound to albium.



That is 98%.



If you are insulin resistant, and have low globulin, and if you dont eat things that promote high albium levels like fish and chicken, then you might have less than 98% of your testosterone "bound" and thus available to be converted to DHT by the alpha five reductase type two enzyme that is located in your hair follicle's outer root sheath.



Just think, if you simply only have 59% of your testosterone "bound" by globulin, and 37% "bound" by albium. Instead of 98% of your testosterone being "bound" and unavailable, you'd have 96% bound. An increase from 2 to 4 percent, or TWICE AS MUCH. Fish and chicken (and a few other things) up albium. Green tea ups globulin and eating a diet that does not promote insulin resistance will help keep globulin levels high. When the body becomes insulin resistant, it makes less globulin, and has more "free" testosterone. These are dietary considerations to really keep in mind in order to have less "free" T floating around waiting to be converted to DHT.




Its really all in the first two paragraphs of what I linked from...................................................





BTW.......................MY suggestion of finas plus a receptor blocker first, and then a growth agent next as a three pronged "routine" against male pattern baldness, along with a reasonable diet. I use prox-N as a growth agent at the moment, but have used tricomin and folligen and alpecin, and aminexil, and once minoxidil a while back and a couple of other things in the past.................I use nizoral, but dont really consider it part of my "regimine" as Im going to shampoo daily anyway. I use it twice a week. One might consider it as a growth stimulant also. .........................
 

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michael barry said:
FIRST>>>sixty percent of your testosterone is normally bound to globulin.

SECOND>>thirty eight percent of your testosterone is normally bound to albium.



That is 98%.



If you are insulin resistant, and have low globulin, and if you dont eat things that promote high albium levels like fish and chicken, then you might have less than 98% of your testosterone "bound" and thus available to be converted to DHT by the alpha five reductase type two enzyme that is located in your hair follicle's outer root sheath.



Just think, if you simply only have 59% of your testosterone "bound" by globulin, and 37% "bound" by albium. Instead of 98% of your testosterone being "bound" and unavailable, you'd have 96% bound. An increase from 2 to 4 percent, or TWICE AS MUCH. Fish and chicken (and a few other things) up albium. Green tea ups globulin and eating a diet that does not promote insulin resistance will help keep globulin levels high. When the body becomes insulin resistant, it makes less globulin, and has more "free" testosterone. These are dietary considerations to really keep in mind in order to have less "free" T floating around waiting to be converted to DHT.




Its really all in the first two paragraphs of what I linked from...................................................





BTW.......................MY suggestion of finas plus a receptor blocker first, and then a growth agent next as a three pronged "routine" against male pattern baldness, along with a reasonable diet. I use prox-N as a growth agent at the moment, but have used tricomin and folligen and alpecin, and aminexil, and once minoxidil a while back and a couple of other things in the past.................I use nizoral, but dont really consider it part of my "regimine" as Im going to shampoo daily anyway. I use it twice a week. One might consider it as a growth stimulant also. .........................

What about milk, wouldn't that be something you want to avoid too?
 

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I just visited Dr Proctor's website again. He has updated it a lot. He talks a lot about the damaging effects of NO like molecules reacting with super oxide. He does not list conclusions about whether to use minoxidil, though he does state some benefits of minoxidil. He mainly boasts about his SODases.
 

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Re: Great info for the "diet is responsible" peopl

michael barry said:
[Quoting from some unspecified Web site] Minoxidil also increases NO, and male pattern baldness matches the increase with Superoxide. The reaction produces Peroxynitrite which puts stress on the mitochondria (minoxidil speeds this up creating a "resistance" of sorts and the detrimental reaction between NO & SO occurs at a rate 6 times greater than that which current treatments containing Cu/Zn are able to inhibit it(i.e. copper & zinc... foliigen/tricomin/zix). In other words by a paradoxical twist of biological and chemical fate, the more you supplement NO (i.e. through minoxidil) the more there is to react in a detrimental fashion with the Superoxide to form Peroxynitrite which then actually further inhibits your attempts to achieve beneficial vasodilation amongst other things, which you want from minoxidil.)

In years past on alt.baldspot, Dr. Proctor has specifically stated that minoxidil does NOT cause an increase in the production of peroxynitrite. He said the reason for that is that minoxidil is a NO mimetic. It doesn't actually produce nitric oxide.
 

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michael barry said:
FIRST>>>sixty percent of your testosterone is normally bound to globulin.

SECOND>>thirty eight percent of your testosterone is normally bound to albium.

That is 98%.

If you are insulin resistant, and have low globulin, and if you dont eat things that promote high albium levels like fish and chicken, then you might have less than 98% of your testosterone "bound" and thus available to be converted to DHT by the alpha five reductase type two enzyme that is located in your hair follicle's outer root sheath.

Just think, if you simply only have 59% of your testosterone "bound" by globulin, and 37% "bound" by albium. Instead of 98% of your testosterone being "bound" and unavailable, you'd have 96% bound. An increase from 2 to 4 percent, or TWICE AS MUCH. Fish and chicken (and a few other things) up albium. Green tea ups globulin and eating a diet that does not promote insulin resistance will help keep globulin levels high. When the body becomes insulin resistant, it makes less globulin, and has more "free" testosterone. These are dietary considerations to really keep in mind in order to have less "free" T floating around waiting to be converted to DHT.

Michael, I see a lot of comments similar to yours on hairloss sites about various aspects of steroid-binding proteins, and they always trouble me a little. That's because as far as I can tell, such comments invariably seem to make the assumption that a change in the availability of free testosterone caused by the alteration of such binding proteins happens independently of the HPT axis. I find it difficult to believe that that would really be the case. For example, if you were able to inject extra SHBG into your bloodstream, I would strongly suspect that your body's natural reaction to that would be to increase your production of testosterone, in an effort to counter the higher level of bound testosterone.

Being insulin resistant or eating lots of fish and chicken _may_ indeed really have an effect on free testosterone levels in your body, but I bet it's a lot more complicated than simply how much of the steroid-binding proteins you have circulating in your bloodstream.
 

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good point Bryan. I thought of that but forgot to say it. The more free testosterone you have, the more the axis feels it and stops making testosterone.
 

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good point Bryan. I thought of that but forgot to say it. The more free testosterone you have, the more the axis feels it and stops making testosterone.

And vice versa, of course.

I've always been surprised at the extent to which SHBG has been mentioned and discussed on hairloss forums. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times that _I_ have ever brought it up in the last 10 years, and that's because of the complexity of human physiology and the feedback loops associated with it. I think it's difficult to draw any firm conclusions about sex hormone binding proteins, at least in the context of attempting to modify them through dietary or other means.
 

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Good info about the HTPA Bryan. Very informative about the feedback mehcanisms that govern our hormonal profiles.

Thanks :)
 

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MB,

what can we do to make the stem cells go the right direction?
 

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MB,

what can we do to make the stem cells go the right direction?

Eat Japanese! Eat raw peppers, broccoli, cauliflower, onions, garlic (love the taste of garlic), basically anything you can get your hands on that is dug from the ground or picked from the bushes. I've always preffered fish as my primary source of meat but my mum always cooked red meat (which I now hate) and chicken.

I am reverting to a paleolithic diet somewhat but not to the extremeties. western society has easy access to raw fruits and vegtables but with our tastebud's being the determining factor in our choices we sadly neglect t he real food we should be eating. I have absolutely reversed my eating habits completely and nave never felt better for it. There is one serious disadvantage though... My metabolism is strangely powerful and quick and I cannot not eat for too long as it will become dangerous for me. I was once 11.5 stone and had a bad case of the MUMPS and was down to just under 9 stone in 8 days. (dangerous loss of weight) all I could eat was an orange and some toast during the day. so large quantities of healthy food would have to be my route, but never ever neglect sufficient exercise though.

I've always believed diet plays an essential role in the triggering of this (male pattern baldness)

One of my friends grandad is an old fashioned fisherman and eats nothing but the best (fish, vegs, and fruit) and hes a NW7 with bright white hair (he's late 70's) and a pure white goatee. He without a doubt looks like one of the healthiest old people I have ever seen, and when he goes shopping in tesco's he never pushes a trolley but carries one of the hand baskets!

I actually forgot the point I was making but somehow diet didn't stop his hairloss (unless he had really had high male pattern baldness genes).

Anyway I would love for you to stick around MB I've read your posts and consider them to be of a very big help in satisfying my curiousity with regards to male pattern baldness. Would be a shame to lose an intelligent fella during battle!

Being from UK I follow football religously, anyone heard if Antillio Lombardo?
 
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