Generic drugs

[Johnny24601]

Is the finasteride and dutasteride that is coming from indian pharmacies for real? Has anyone on this forum used finasteride or dutasteride from india and had real results? Has anyone tested the drugs to see if they are legit? Who could I send the drugs to to test? I did a search and could not find the answers. Thanks..

 

[Hotlegs]

India is full of foreigners, what make you think they could have a viable pharmachutical industry.

Everyone should only take American drugs.

 

[mvpsoft]

Drugs from India are for real. Cipla and Dr. Reddy products are reliable.

 

[Bismarck]

People who buy drugs from Europe and other countries are supporting terrorism !

 

[Johnny24601]

re:

Explain to me why people in America are not purchasing all their finasteride and dutasteride from India if this company Cipla is for real with their finasteride quality? A one day dosage is a max of $0.50 per day.
I recieved a bunch of finasteride from india and there is no instruction but each pill container has Cipla's name, its expiration date and looks legit. How can I 100% verify that these are real?
MVPsoft have tell me about your results so far? Thanks....

 

[Hotlegs]

People who buy drugs from Europe and other countries are supporting terrorism !

This is true and has been extensively proved, up to 84% of all revenue from drug sales to 'foreign' countires like Europe go diretly towards funding terrorism.

Stick with American finasteride, grown and harvested in Texas.

 

[mvpsoft]

Yeah, buy American drugs, support obscene profits that are fueling our double-digit inflationary health care funding crisis.

 

[Thinning fast]

I go to Mexico to purchase my finasteride for cheap from the pharmacias. Everytime I buy it, I walk out with my head down because I know I just sponsored a terroist.

 

[grtt]

Yeah, sure the whole world is full of terrorists, only in America there are good people! :shock:
Oh, get real guyz! Anyway as this is not a political forum, and as I have done some research here is what i know:
Generic drugs is not an Indian originality, they circulate everywhere, USA included. However the kind of generic drugs circulating in each country depends on the patents that each company has.
When a new drug circulates to the market means that a company has invested millions or even billions of dollars to research, clinical studies and trials and has gone through the process of getting an approval from FDA (or similar organisations in other countries). It is logical to have a patent over the active ingredient of the drug so as no other company has the right put at the market another drug with the same substance. However this patent lasts only for a few years (a decade or even more) after which every other company has the right to make a generic version of the drug. This generic version must contain the exact same ingredient that has the original drug, in other words it should be exactly the same, otherwise it cannot get approval to be at the market.
As far as it concerns Indian drugs, the copyright law is a little bit different there, India does recognise patents over the process of how a drug is made but not to the drug itself. So, if another company can produce the exact same drug using different procedures may get an approval for Indian market.
That's why there are generic versions of drugs whose patents are still effective in Europe. For example there are a lot of generic versions of v****, Cialis, Levitra, Proscar, Propecia etc. Generic versions of antiretroinds (drugs that are used for HIV+ patients) have saved a lot of people in Asia and in Africa, as the original versions are much more expensive.
And yes, Cipla and Dr Reddy's are legitimate and well estamblished companies in India. If someone could make a trip to India would also find out that buying these drugs from a pharmacy would even made it much much cheaper than they are sold through the net.
So it's not a bad thing to buy generic versions of drugs. Propecia in Greece costs 48 Euros (thats about $55) and Regaine 30 Euros (that's about $35). It's hard to find generic Minoxidil in Europe so I order mine from USA and finasteride from India...It's just as simple as that

(oh, and I 'm sorry for any mistakes I've made, English is not my mother language..)

 

[WhatWorksBest?]

To test Finpecia, get your PSA level checked

It is possible to compare Propecia to generic finasteride in your body by testing PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen) levels. Propecia reduces the level of PSA in your blood by half. If a generic is really equivalent, it should have the same effect.

Testing PSA levels is more reliable than testing the pill itself, because what really matters is what effect the pill is having inside you. Even if two pills contain the same amount of the same active ingredient, they might not have the same effect.

Personally, I have experienced significant variation even among generic "equivalent" drugs inside the US, despite the FDA's testing. I suspect that results may vary even more widely internationally.

I got my PSA level checked on Finpecia, and have since switched to Propecia. I expect to get my second PSA test results next month, and will post when available. I'm just one person though; to validate the results, at least one other person should do the same experiment. In the USA, PSA tests are available online for $60 a pair, and insurance generally covers them if prescribed by a doctor because they can be useful in detecting prostate cancer.

 

[gonna_win]

buying finasteride from mereck is supporting terrorism


YOUR ALL TERRORIST SUPPORTING SCUM!

 

[WhatWorksBest?]

more evidence, fewer bald conclusions

I'm only a newbie and this will probably sound like something Lisa Simpson would say, but could we please focus on test ideas or results related to the topic of the discussion?

There are many sites on the Web for jokes, maybe even for jokes about terrorism (not very funny, imho). There are comparatively few sites for educational and scientific discussion of hair loss.

I don't want to wind up looking like Homer. I want to grow thick, spiky hair like Lisa.

 

[WhatWorksBest?]

As promised, I am following up with the results of my second PSA test. However, I think the issue requires a longer study involving more subjects.

When I first started on Propecia last year, I could feel the finasteride taking effect. It isn't easy to describe, but if you've felt it too, then you'll know what I mean. After some days, the feeling went away.

After about a month, I switched to Finpecia. I never felt anything, and I didn't see results. After several months, I began to suspect the Finpecia wasn't working.

I switched back to Propecia, and got the same feeling as when I first started. That made me very suspicious of Finpecia. If the two pills really were equivalent, then switching between them would make no difference.

However, I prefer objective test results rather than subjective feelings. So, I got my PSA level checked before switching back to Propecia, and again after seven weeks on Propecia. The results were identical.

How to explain the difference between my personal observations and the test results?

One, it might take longer than I thought for finasteride to reduce PSA levels. The article at http://www.hairlosstalk.com/download/sawaya1.pdf states, "Finasteride causes a 30% to 50% decrease in prostate specific antigen (PSA) in clinical trials with 1 mg tablets in men 18 to 41 years old." My doctor also told me finasteride reduces PSA levels by half. In the study reported online at http://www.hairlosstalk.com/download/propecia.pdf, median PSA levels dropped by 33% after 12 months. So, perhaps it takes 12 months to get a 33% reduction, and longer to get 50%.

Another possibility is, Finpecia might really reduce PSA levels as much as Propecia does. However, they felt different, which leads me to believe they are different, even though I can’t prove it with PSA levels.

A third possibility is, maybe Propecia did reduce my PSA level compared to Finpecia, but something else (e.g., prostate cancer) exactly offset the reduction. That would be an almost incredible coincidence though.

I wish that I had an unequivocal conclusion one way or the other. However, I am only one person, and the effect might vary from one person to another. If you are taking Finpecia and want to test if it really is equivalent to Propecia, I suggest doing the same experiment that I did, except wait longer for the second PSA test. My tests were covered by insurance, but if you have to pay, you can get tests for $60/pair online (free shipping). If you're over 40 and have a family history of prostate cancer, a PSA test may be recommended anyway.

One thing I did learn, the price of a Propecia ProPak at drugstore.com is actually cheaper than the price of Finpecia on the site that HairLossTalk.com links to. (Some sites offer Finpecia for less, but might not be reliable.) Also, Propecia.com has a list of doctors that provide free initial visits for hair loss, and prescriptions for Propecia where appropriate, and a $10 rebate on http://www.perksprogram.com/propecia_us ... elcome.jsp. So, it doesn't cost much to try the brand names.

 

[doubleplay]

India is full of foreigners, what make you think they could have a viable pharmachutical industry.

Everyone should only take American drugs.

lol India is full of foreigners.... bright one eh? What do you know about India's pharm industry? Where do you think all our tech jobs are going and why? Because it's cheaper and the product is the same if not better.

Dr Reddys is publically traded on the New York Stock Exchange. They must have sold loads of fake finasateride for years to achieve that feat.

So pay your $300/ 4 montns of finasteride and I'll pay my $33.

STOP, LOOK, LISTEN, LEARN

The Indian Pharmaceutical Industry today is in the front rank of India’s science-based industries with wide ranging capabilities in the complex field of drug manufacture and technology. It ranks very high in the third world, in terms of technology, quality and range of medicines manufactured. From simple headache pills to sophisticated antibiotics and complex cardiac compounds, almost every type of medicines is now made in India.

The organised sector of the Pharmaceutical Industry has played a key role in promoting and sustaining development in this vital field. International companies associated with this sector have stimulated, assisted and spearheaded this dynamic development in the past fifty three years and helped to put India on the pharmaceutical map of the world.

The Pharmaceutical Industry in India provides excellent facilities. It has quality producers and many units are approved by regulatory authorities in USA and UK. It has a pool of personnel with high managerial and technical competence as also skilled workforce. Its track record of development, particularly in the area of improved cost-beneficial chemical synthesis for various drug molecules is excellent. It provides a wide variety of bulk drugs and exports sophisticated bulk drugs.

The Indian market has some unique advantages. India has a 53 year old democracy. It has an educated work force and English is commonly used. It has a solid legal framework and strong financial markets. Professional services are easily available. There is already an established international industry and business community. It has a good network of world-class educational institutions and established strengths in Information Technology. The country is now committed to a free market economy and globalisation. Above all, it has a 70 million middle class market, which is continuously growing.

For the first time in many years the international pharmaceutical industry is finding great opportunities in India. The process of consolidation which has become a generalised phenomenon in the world pharmaceutical industry has started taking place in India. The Pharmaceutical Industry, with its rich scientific talents and research capabilities, supported by Intellectual Property Protection regime, is well set to mark its place as a Sunrise Industry.

 

[returnoftheshedi]

i switched to proscar from fincar because i had doubts about the distributors who sold generic drugs from India. However, it is very hard to believe that Cipla, an enormous company, would be selling fake pills.

i emailed dr. lee about this subject and he also believes that Cipla is probably legit, however, he said he had some concerns because a patent attorney from India informed him that, because Cipla dominates the pharm industry over there, the government may be giving them some leeway as far as regulations are concerned.

Dr. Lee also said that the patent on propecia expires next summer. Anyone else know this to be true?

 

[The Gardener]

Don't use the Indian stuff, they are terrorists. Only Americans have the know how to make pills, and everybody knows that the only PURE finasteride is harvested from bovine stock in Oklahoma. As for Cipla being a large, publically traded company, it is a money laundering front for Chechen militias. Their finasteride is made from elephants, which are grain fed as opposed to corn fed, resulting in a far inferior drug. Additionally, when you purchase from India you run the risk of being caught by the Federal Department of Control and end up at Guantanamo. I hear the spa treaments there are superb if you enjoy shiatsu massage and a good daily *** whipping. Bring your own booze.

 

[doubleplay]

Don't use the Indian stuff, they are terrorists. Only Americans have the know how to make pills, and everybody knows that the only PURE finasteride is harvested from bovine stock in Oklahoma. As for Cipla being a large, publically traded company, it is a money laundering front for Chechen militias. Their finasteride is made from elephants, which are grain fed as opposed to corn fed, resulting in a far inferior drug. Additionally, when you purchase from India you run the risk of being caught by the Federal Department of Control and end up at Guantanamo. I hear the spa treaments there are superb if you enjoy shiatsu massage and a good daily *** whipping. Bring your own booze.

lol the Hindu Indian terrorists are laundering money for Muslim radical Chechen rebels who in turn kill Russians and Indians in Kashmir. Afterwords I guess they feel a bit guilty and all but give away life saving drugs to Africa and others. You seem to know what your talking about every now and then. I guess this was in between. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

[socks]

Everyone does realize Merck is a German pharmaceutical right?

 

[chewbaca]

Hey guys listen up, cipla cant be fake cause where do u think their own country air loss sufferers will get their finasteride from?...

Further mor ei have an uncle who took cipla for 2 years and regained all of his hair...

 

[everysixseconds]

Everyone does realize Merck is a German pharmaceutical right?

Thats funny!

there are lots of german pharmaceutical firms. German efficency! damn, where would we be without the Germans!