First Signs of Hair loss (PHOTO)

helicase81

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PIC HERE

http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/yukion111/me/index.album?i=0&s=1


Im 24 years old and im seeing the first signs of hair loss, I surfed a bit around this forum and seems that everyone here takes a ‘cocktail’ of tablets and shampoo to treat baldness. I though taking Propecia (Finpecia) alone would be enough. As a new comer what products do you suggest me to take? – so far I’m using Nioxin Cleanser and Conditioner and taking 1 tablet of Finpecia (1mg) dialy

However since I started taking Finpecia I’m having a strange chest pain and im quite concerned about it. I know they are metabolised in the liver and we’re suppose to do a liver function test before the doctor gives the go on and prescribes these tablets. However I bought them over the internet without prescription.

plus after 2 months of taking it - im seeing more shedding than before - i read somewhere that this can happen in the first 3 months
 

bubka

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yes, sometimes shedding is normal, it could actually take longer, but probably not, rule is to stick with it for a year!

The big 3 here, all proven to work: propecia, nizoral, minoxdil
 

thoradas

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Well, overall I should say that your hair looks great. Now, while it does appear that there is a bit more skin showing at your crown, it also seems that you have cowlick there. Cowlicks are dreadful things some of us happen to be cursed with, and one of the drawbacks is that they tend not to allow for a more complete, full looking head of hair (at least in terms of the location of the cowlick(s)). Are you experiencing any ressesion at your temples? If not, that's great first of all, and secondly could mean that your either very early on in catching your possible onset of male pattern baldness, or that your not really balding at all.

As for the meds your taking, I would strongly recommend you see a dermatologist. Granted, the vast majority of them are useless, they do serve a purpose. One of which being their ability to dispense medications, legit versions I should add. When I visted mine a couple of years ago, she mentioned that, and I am not saying this to scare you, she did hear of one man dying of/experiencing a cardiac arrest. This is apparently quite rare, but surely possible given the what little we know of the human body and the role odd drugs have on it. Also, I have been on Propecia for a year and a half, and have too experienced chest pains. However, I have in the past experienced sharp, yet brief pains here and there, and those I have had while taking Propecia felt no different. If your pain is severe and causes you great concern, please consult a physican. Seriously. Granted, while I weighed all of the possible risks before taking the medication (I hate, hate, hate taking anything), I can truly say that there is not greater fate than I can currently think of than balding. So, if by taking this medication it prevents me from balding, but could kill me, oh well.

Now, off that morbid note, shedding is very, very common when taking Propecia. The only thing that seems to be in question, or at least what varies per individual is when the shedding starts and stops, and how long it lasts. I never had a problem with shedding, but I also think that Propecia has no effect for my case of male pattern baldness. I don't know if my body just metabolizes the drug and excretes it before it has a chance to do anything, or what, but I've yet to see any improvement in my hairline, my biggest problem, and perhaps only some improment at my crown (which I never had much of a problem with). No drug has ever really affected me though, so I don't blame this particular one.

Anyway, I would stick with Propecia, though a genuine version presribed by a dermatologist, and see what happens. Like I said earlier, your hair looks pretty good/healthy, so you have some time to buy to see if Propecia works for you. Give it at least a year or two. I'll probably take it forever, even though at year 1.5 I've seen no real benefit (I'm just a wee bit older than you). I mean, my situation could be a lot worse if I wasn't taking it. So maybe it does work, and is just prolonging the inevitable. Oh how I hate this blasted infliction.

Best of luck to you in your endeavor. And again, be mindful of your chest pains. If they are truly painful and severe, get help. No joke.

(Normally I check for spelling errors and to see if I made any sense, and I may later, but I don't feel like it right now. I hope what I typed is legible and at least somewhat helpful.)
 

helicase81

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thanks for your reply

The ‘chest pain’ was more near the end of the ribs rather than in the chest itself; however I haven’t felt this pain again for last 2 weeks – now I have been on Finpecia for a bit more than 2 months. But the problem now is that im seeing a lot of shedding (while showering can count like 90 hairs – plus another 30 when gelling my hair) and im not sure if its from the tablets or because I changed my hair gel (using wax gel)

Regarding to the hair loss, im losing a bit from the front as well (though not so visible yet – that’s why I want to do something now and I have been noticing this for a year or more) – last year was very stressful for me (final year at university)

Also the loss I’m having from the front is only on 1 side – the side I comb first when I do my hair! I also wash and gel my hair almost every day which I don’t think its that good for the hair either – I lose quite a lot of the hair while gelling (cos its quite thick to rub it – and I only like gels of this consistency :S )

I want to do something for my hair before it is too late and I would feel so guilty
 

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Your chest pain/lower rib pain is still somewhat alarming, but seeing as how it is a bit lower, perhaps this is not as serious (at least in terms of what could be at the root)? Well, in either case an abnormal pain is still one to keep an eye on. I do, however, wonder if this pain is more of tightness, as if stress related or what have you. Many dismiss such notions, but as we all know, stress can play many a trick on our mind and body. When you feel the pain come on again, try and locate it. Close your eyes and breath slowly (very slowly), but completely and deeply, try not to use your fingers to feel for the pain, as that could leave room for error. It may be helpful after the fact, if only to add subtle pressure. But, do try and precisely place its location. Often once we locate where a pain resides, we are able to have it subside, or at least make note of its location and intensity (which is most helpful in monitoring). Also, be mindful of when it strikes you, and how long it lasts. Make a mental note of what you've eaten, what you have done that day, and of course, when you took the medication. I don't think your liver is having any problem processing the medication, unless of course you are overloading it with alcohol or acetaminophen. Though, under normal circumstances, the liver can handle quite a bit. If Propecia's all you're doing to it, I'd rule it out as being a factor to your pain, unless there's a bit of family history in that realm. But enough of that.

As for your shedding, it certainly could be related to your gel, if only due to its trapping of hairs in the wax and to hairs still connected and the pulling and tugging of the hair when styling. General shedding is natural, and what you could be seeing is a combination of a day's worth. I don't feel, however, that it is the wax/gel itself interacting with your scalp/hair, but if you feel that's the case, and even if it isn't, I would stongly recommend you use Nizoral as a bit of scalp therapy. This will help remove impurities from the scalp, and also is know to have a slight (very slight) ability to keep the hair in its place (not a cure on its own by any means, just an aid to help sustain as a in a combination-like approach). If you are worried about the wax/gel you are using, you might try a texturizing cream. They are much more creamy in consitency, and therefore don't pull on the hair follicles as much or cause the modest clumping of hairs that waxes and pastes do. It might not give you the exact look you might be looking for, but I'd certainly try it. If the Nizoral irritates you, or you just don't like it, I would definetly recommend some kind of weekly scalp cleanser, such as Scalp Benefits by Aveda. Jojoba or tea tree shampoos (and conditioners) also help in this area, though tea tree more so than jojoba (which is more for hair quality and the general soothing of the scalp).

Now, as for the possible ression at your temporal region, I don't see it as being due to your combing first on the one side, unless you're quite forceful with the comb and are causing a great deal of friction (but it would take a great deal of that to cause hair loss, even at a slight, constant rate). I wonder, though, do you have any bumps at this region? Do you feel a slight tingling sensation? If yes to one or both, this could be related to male pattern baldness, and not to your possible over doing it on the combing front. For me, I too experienced ression on one side first (at least that I noticed and that was more prominently present), and then it started on the other side (right, then left - now both even).

I understand your frustration. I truly do. As someone who's never been much to look at, you can only imagine what this is doing to my already shattered ego. But, stay vigilant. Stick with your meds (the true dermatologicaly prescribed version if you can), try Nizoral (store bought, or the more highly concentrated prescribed version), and be gentle with your hair. Also, if you can, try and take pictures on a monthly basis (or even bi-monthly) of your crown and hairline. This may help in self-diagnosing your true issue, and for reference purposes.

Best of luck to you.
 

CCS

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yeah, that is male pattern baldness alright. good early catch. you'll regrow it. Just take these guy's advice.
 

helicase81

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The pain which I used to feel wasn’t just like you have an attack of pain and it goes but a permanent pain not that painful but if I press on that area I could feel that something is wrong but it was quite difficult to locate it cos I think it was in more than 1 area, mostly near the end of ribs/ stomach. But I read in some posts other people talking about chest pain. Now that it’s gone I’m not worrying so much about this.

At the moment im using the Nioxin shampoo everyday (been using it for the last 4yrs) and Nioxin conditioner every now and then – they claim to remove DHT from the scalp and in fact they are quite expensive around 17EUR each (approx 3weeks daily wash) – so I think they have the same effects as Nizoral !!

http://www.nioxin.com/index.cfm?objectI ... 4934B9B9D9

im also taking 1 tablet of Finpecia 1mg a day (6 weeks already and no effect yet)

do you think these are enough?

I was thinking about adding Minoxidil but im not sure that I can apply it twice a day, since I gel my hair daily – do you suggest me to add this to my regimen or you think what im taking is ‘enough’ ?

i talked to my doctor about this and he said to me i shouldn't spend money on such medications - he said the results are too poor compared to their cost - i think he is right but on the otherhand i dont want to do nothing otherwise i will feel guilty - if i get bald and i know i did my utmost i wont feel guilty ( dont know if you understand me)
 

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Well, it's good that your pain is not much of a bother anymore. Just be mindful of it shoud it return. People seem to dismiss pains as meaningless, men especially, until it's too late - and I mean that in a general way, not as a scare tactic.

I have heard both good things and bad things about Nioxin, the same with Nano as well, so it's quite difficult to say if the cost is worth it - as both are quite expensive and perhaps are different based on the individual. Plus, by adding so many treatments at once, it may be near impossible to tell which one is actually working, and which one isn't. I'd start with one, and add another if need be. If you like Nioxin and can feasably afford it, then stick with it. Nizoral is still considered one of the best, and cheapest shampoo-esque treatments out there. So if you decide to drop Nioxin at some point, I'd pick up Nizoral.

Also, six weeks on Propecia isn't long enough at all to notice any kind of improvement. You'll really need to give it a year. I know it may seem long, and chancy, and it may not even take that long, but it'll take close to it. It's kind of like those who wish to lose weight, they keep checking the scale to see if they've dropped a pound or more, and are discouraged on a constant, perhaps daily basis. However, those that check it in broad intervals, say every other month or so, are less discouraged. We all want immediate results, but there's no quick fix to hair loss, or most anything, if it's to be effective. Give it time. More than likely, you will see your crown improve.

As for adding Minoxidil, I'd wait, honestly. You're young, and your situation isn't bad at all. It may seem that way to you (trust me I know, and still feel that way regarding my own situation), but in the grand scheme of things, it's not bad. And as I said earlier, adding tons of treatments at once isn't going to give you a clear idea as to what's working. Stick with Propecia, and whatever hair care system works best for you, and see what happens. And in my case, I just didn't want to mess with topical applications. My morning routine is lengthy enough as it is, and the thought of adding one more thing, especially one that was potentially messy and time consuming (at least in terms of drying times and so forth), just wasn't ideal. I also read from various sources that some people found Minoxidil to wreak havoc on their hairline, which definitely wasn't something I wanted to experience. Granted, this isn't factually sound, but it scared me enough not to try it. Plus, nothing's proven, or even all that effective, for treating the hairline, so with the crown being the only treatable location, and with Propecia having such positive press in this respect, I felt there was no other treatment I'd rather bother with than the simple once a day pill - even though I worry each and every time I pop that little pill of what it's really doing to my system.

But, your feelings are most natural. I, a year and a half ago, was ready to do anything I could to combat this terrible plague. But, after constant research and dead ends, I found that there are really only a handful of options that are effective. Most notably Finasteride and Minoxidil. One was simple, but scarier with its possible side effects, and the other tedious and time consuming. I went, obviously, with the easier of the two. While I do think I am fighting a losing battle, my balding issue still isn't completely noticable. My crown is fairly fine, though I have a cowlick right at the crown that doesn't allow for a full head of hair at that location, and though my temples are experiencing recession, I'm lucky, I guess that I have made it this long.

Oh, and yes, I completely understand your not wanting to feel guilty. Nothing is worse than feeling later in life that you could have, or should have, done something. That you should have taken action while you had greater hope - while you had a fighting chance. Guilt is a most dreadful thing. So yes, do what you can now, but don't beat yourself up if your actions are ineffective - there is sadly so little we can do in the area of hairloss. I mean, do we really have a cure for anything? So, do what you can now with the resources you have at your disposal. Try not to look back... If only to save your sanity.

Good luck to you, and all those like us...
 
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