Erik's Story - (Losing my mind over sudden hair loss)

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Erik D said:
[quote="TIM for congress.":15lb0g9h]dude, you definately have Telogen Effluvium. MBP doesn't just happen overnight. I recently had Telogen Effluvium over the summer. It will stop, and it is very likely your hair will grow back completely. Stressful or traumatic events sometimes trigger it, or a sudden severe illness. i got mine from having the flu. Anyway, I used rogaine to speed up the whole process and that seemed to work well for me. hope i could have helped.

tim.

I wish you were right, but it's been almost 2 years (1 yr. 9 mos.) and it hasn't grown back yet, so I'm realizing it probably won't without nutraceutical intervention, and dietary and lifestyle changes..[/quote:15lb0g9h]

those things wont help either, I hate to tell you that!
 
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RaginDemon said:
those things wont help either, I hate to tell you that!

Then don't tell me. lol
 

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you are so weak that you don't wanna face reality?
 
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RaginDemon said:
you are so weak that you don't wanna face reality?

Because of my depression, I haven't followed my SP, Pyg, GT, Ntl regimen consistently.

In the few month spurts that I have, I've seen regrowth.

Even "the big three" wouldn't work with that kind of haphazard usage.
 

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Erik D said:
RaginDemon said:
you are so weak that you don't wanna face reality?

Because of my depression, I haven't followed my SP, Pyg, GT, Ntl regimen consistently.

In the few month spurts that I have, I've seen regrowth.

Even "the big three" wouldn't work with that kind of haphazard usage.

do whatever you believe man, GL!
 

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the guy is a nut case, he asked another poster who quit smoking and started to exercise if he had any difference in his hair in 4 days

plus he thinks that humans are not great apes

his name: DamitLetMeIN

you know him by, not eating cooked fats, eskimos can't go bald, no hairloss in japan pre WW2
 
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bubka said:
the guy is a nut case, he asked another poster who quit smoking and started to exercise if he had any difference in his hair in 4 days

You moron, I was referring to his dietary and supplement regimen changes.

Why do you consistently misinterpret almost every post other people make?

Is it your laughable mangling of the English language that is to blame, or is it the Propecia induced mental and cognitive disturbances?
 

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Erik D said:
bubka said:
the guy is a nut case, he asked another poster who quit smoking and started to exercise if he had any difference in his hair in 4 days

You moron, I was referring to his dietary and supplement regimen changes.

Why do you consistently misinterpret almost every post other people make?

Is it your laughable mangling of the English language that is to blame, or is it the Propecia induced mental and cognitive disturbances?

Well basically he was saying that if you insist that you don't want to touch big 3, then you should pray for miracles... whats the point of being here asking questions when you are not going to take other experienced members' suggestions?

For now, finasteride and minoxidil are the most advanced treatments, if you have male pattern baldness, you can either use them or wait til male pattern baldness takes your hair one by one. It's simple as that.
 
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RaginDemon said:
Well basically he was saying that if you insist that you don't want to touch big 3, then you should pray for miracles... whats the point of being here asking questions when you are not going to take other experienced members' suggestions?

For now, finasteride and minoxidil are the most advanced treatments, if you have male pattern baldness, you can either use them or wait til male pattern baldness takes your hair one by one. It's simple as that.

Dude, I'm already seeing some regrowth, and I haven't even been following my regimen consistently.

Besides, I came here primarily for the Vitamin and Supplement section, but trolls invaded and spammed every f*****g constructive thread, so I figured I'd come puncture some Propecia myths for entertainment.
 

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then I will just repeat what I said,

do whatever you feel like it, and hope your hair gets better!
 
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Why hope? Just do what you can, and accept what is, whatever the outcome.

Hope reveals a striving... a lack of contentment. I've decided to accept the outcome regardless.

In the bigger scheme of things and life, is it really that important? Important enough to let it ruin your zest for life?

Hell no.
 

RaginDemon

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dude you are strugglin'...
 

karpov

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Hi man;

I've been reading this thread and I don't understand.

Your first post talks about how hair loss contributed with other circumstances to create you a deep depression. Talking about how people doesn't understand how being bald affects our ego, how shitty is to lose a part of your body with no reason, etc. So now, after a great welcome, experienced users are trying to help you with your hair loss so you can afford your problem... and what's your reaction?

Suddenly hair loss is not more such a problem; no hoping, just do what you want and get what you work for. From the first till the last user in this forum, we're all together trying to help each other and share opinions just because there's no cure for baldness, we can only try different products and HOPE they work -some better, some nothing at all- and share our knowledge so other people knows what they're taking/doing with their own body and health.

For me it's my first day in this forum, I hope I can get some help from this experienced users and who knows, maybe my experience can help someone else in the future.

If there was a cure for baldness this forum wouldn't exist. Ask a diabetic if he feels sh*t because he has to inject insulin every day of his life, maybe he'll tell you what the cure is for his disease. I'm afraid this is the rude and raw true: or you work for your hair everyday of your life till a cure is found, or you'll simply lose your hair.

So, if this post is titled "Erik's Story: Losing My Mind Over Sudden Hair Loss", I'd recommend you to take note from this experienced users and start a good program - and keep it constant.

Psychological disorders have their own forums, this is not the right place if you don't wanna collaborate. Good luck.
 
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I do want to collaborate... I just don't want to use Rogaine or Propecia, and I want to minimize the use of all other synthetic chemicals as well.
 
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RaginDemon said:
dude you are strugglin'...

Actually, you're right... I am struggling... to find a solution that doesn't mess up my body in the process, and also to mentally prepare myself for the potentially inevitable.

Such a split orientation would naturally create psychic tension.

At any rate, this site here seems like the most reasonable approach I've seen so far:

http://www.hairloss-research.org/index.html

And these pages come close to capturing my sentiments:

http://www.hairloss-research.org/protocol.html

http://www.hairloss-research.org/newpro ... ia-06.html

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I trust the guy at the company I spoke to on the phone... he sounded more knowledgeable than anyone I've spoken to so far, and his protocol recommendations seems to confirm my own suspicions and knowledge of the downsides of Rogaine and Propecia.
 
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@ ragindemon

ragindemon,

A lot of the problems I'm having on this forum have been a result of my evading your first post to me, instead of just addressing it in a straightforward manner:

You wrote:

ragindemon said:
Well it's part of aging, and to keep your hair, you might want to consider the proven treatments.

Ironically, that post brought up a lot of old demons for me, things I was reluctant to get into.

What happened was, I had an incident when I was a strict organic vegan where I went to the hospital, and without being informed of what they were doing, they dosed me with powerful chemical medications.

The result was, that I almost choked to death due to an allergic reaction to one of the medications, while my mother stood helplessly nearby.

It is an incident that still brings up difficult memories for me, which is why I dodged your initial post about "proven treatments", because I assumed you were talking about synthetic pharmaceutical drugs.

So you're right, I am struggling, and when I have people like some of the other posters on this forum attempting to browbeat me into using synthetic chemical medications, I don't react well.
 

karpov

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Ok.

Finasteride and minoxidil could generate very disgusting side effects; I agree with you and I think the rest of people from this forum also does. The chance is quiet small, but there's still a chance. For example, I can't take minoxidil due blood pressure problems and using Propecia I had also ugly sides, so I stopped drastically. Now my scalp is starting to look sh*t again, lol!

But... this was my case. I know a lot of people personally and from other hair loss forums who have used finasteride and/or minoxidil for almost 10 years with great results and no side effects. So, in this case, maybe you have no other chance than trying and keeping stretch control of your health to see what happens.

I've read the page you're linking...

"PRIMARY PROTOCOL
Nizoral Shampoo- twice weekly, alternated with either Head and Shoulders or Dr. Proctor's Hair Regrowth Shampoo.
Natural Estrogen with Pomegranate Extract- Two caplets daily.
Dr. Proctor's Advanced Hair Regrowth Formula- once daily, after shampoo, towel drying.
Natural Prostate Formula- 2 softgels daily.
Super Absorbable Soy Isoflavones- 1-2 capsules daily.
Mega Green Tea Extract- 1 capsule daily.
Emu Oil- massage into thinning areas nightly, wash out in A.M.
Propecia/Proscar(optional)- 1 mg. daily.
L-Taurine- 1000 mg. capsule daily.
Grape Seed/Resveratrol Extract- 1 capsule daily.
Curcumin- 1 capsule daily.
ADJUNCTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS
Dr. Proctor's Hair Regrowth Shampoo- alternated with Nizoral Shampoo or Head and Shoulders Shampoo- 2-3 times weekly.
Root Food(Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw)- 4 capsules daily.
Ginkgo Biloba Extract- 120 mg.(1 capsule), daily.
Super Omega3 - EPA/DHA- 2 softgels, twice daily with meals.
L-Lysine-One 500 mg. tablet, 3 times daily (divided doses on an empty stomach)."


Man, I'll tell you one thing: if you refuse to start with chemicals you MUST refuse absolutely this kind of "protocol". This is pure sh*t (sorry), just filling your liver and kidneys with lots and lots of supplements which probably your body won't absorb even in a 10%. You'll never guess what kind of side effects you can get taking all this bullshit: waste of money, time, faith and health.

Look, this guys from the forum really know what they're talking about. Just try to be open to all the alternatives and give everything a chance.

Ah, and for last just tell you Google is not the holy Bible. It might bring up lots of information but I won't believe even 50% of what I read. I rather prefer to read other's people experiences.

Good luck mate, keep strong.
 
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Thanks karpov, but I think that guys got a lot more good info on his site than you realize.
 
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For example, regarding Propecia:

Side effects: Loss of libido, penile impotence, gynocomastia (breast enlargement in males), reflex hyperandrogenecity (increased shedding,acne). The incidence of sexual side effects is likely much higher than the 2% reported in the PDR. If you are one of the people who are affected and therefore cannot take Propecia, there are more advanced herbal formulas that are equally, if not more efficacious than Propecia, due to their ability to simultaneously address multiple mechanisms.

Regarding Rogaine:

ROGAINE GENERALLY CONTRAINDICATED

Based on the preponderance of studies and anecdotal reports, we have omitted Rogaine 2 and 5% from our protocol. It appears that Rogaine, despite its short term effectiveness in some patients almost invariably loses its effectiveness due to tolerance. The typical timeframe on tolerance to set in is from 12 to 18 months. More importantly, it causes a tremendous amount of shedding in all patients upon stoppage. Of real concern is that this shedding is typically above and beyond what one would have normally gained through any treatment response. This phenomena is clinically termed loss of “minoxidil dependent hairâ€￾, and implies that stopping minoxidil use may result in loss of hair that may have been otherwise unaffected by androgenetic alopecia (pattern loss). Stopping other treatments such as Propecia will result in a gradual regression to the pre-treatment state. With Minoxidil this loss is much more dramatic. This seems to occur regardless of other treatments being used to offset this process. A review of the medical literature will confirm its transient and marginal effectiveness at both 2 and 5 percent concentrations.

If however, you have been using Rogaine for some time you would be well advised to stay on it. You likely could use a 2% concentration at once a day to avoid shedding, and there are many low cost generics available. If you are currently using Rogaine and chose to get off it, it wouyld be wise to gradually reduce your dosage and substitute the Pyridine-N-Oxides (Dr. Proctor)to avoid the hair loss that invariably occurs with the cessation of Minoxidil treatment. Because of the similarity in their core technology, the Pyridine-N-Oxides appear unique in their ability to do this. The current thinking on Rogaine by some in the research community is that it is best avoided altogether.
 
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