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Ekrem Civas 3,700 Fue 8 Month Result

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  1. norwoodnot

    norwoodnot New Member My Regimen

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    Just over 8 months ago, I had a hair transplant with Dr. Ekrem Civas in Ankara, Turkey. After undertaking some due diligence, I chose Dr. Civas because of his international accreditations, his proven results and the lack of negative comments or complaints about him on various hair loss forums. I was also impressed with the ease of communication with his patient coordinator, Patricia, so the language barrier was not an issue.

    Turkey is a very mixed bag when it comes to the hair transplant industry. It is a bit like a pyramid. At the bottom and middle you have the factories or mills, who accept multiple patients each day and almost all of the work is carried out by technicians. The reason these places exist and thrive is because of the very low “all you can eat” fixed prices. It goes without saying that results vary wildly in these clinics. At the top of the pyramid there are fewer clinics, all doctor-led, and the best are on a par with the top clinics in Europe and North America. Dr. Civas only takes one patient per day and that patient has his and his team’s exclusive focus.

    About me: late 30s, Norwood 5, a lot of balding in the preceding 5-6 years but I had been on finasteride for 10 months prior to surgery, so that stabilised and slightly reversed my hairloss. Otherwise, I would have bottomed-out at Norwood 6 in a few years. Surgery was to be 3,700 grafts FUE and the price paid was just under EUR5,000 (a graft based calculation, which also included the cost staying at a nearby hotel and airport collection/drop-off). Flights were separate.

    My recollection of the surgery itself is quite hazy, due to the Valium I was given and the fact that I probably fell asleep a few times during the day. Time seemed to go by quite quickly though and pain was not an issue. My hairline and the logistics of the surgery were discussed in consultation with Dr. Civas on the afternoon before. On the day of surgery, my head was shaved and Dr. Civas re-drew the hairline and marked the transplant area. He then administered the local anesthetic and began extracting some grafts. Two of his technicians took over the extraction and this took us up to lunch time. Dr. Civas regularly checked in on the extraction and inquired after me.

    After lunch, Dr. Civas prepared the recipient zone and made the incisions. His techs then took over transplanting the grafts, with Dr. Civas giving direction and checking on me every so often. Surgery was over at around 18.00 and Dr. Civas and I had a de-brief. He then phoned the hotel, ordered my evening meal and ordered a taxi for me back to the hotel (which was only 5 minutes walk from the clinic, but I preferred a taxi. Hello Valium!). I was given a saline spray for the recipient area and various medicines to take as directed or needed.

    The following afternoon, I went back to the clinic to have my bandages removed and my hair washed etc. I found the staff in the clinic to be very helpful and gentle when doing this.

    As you will see from the before and after photographs, I think my result is very good for 8 months – and I still have around 4 more months of growth and maturation to go before the 12 month mark - which is the period one usually assesses the “final” transplant result. In the period between the transplant and the 8 months mark, I was in monthly or bi-monthly contact with the clinic, showing them my progress and asking questions etc. – so their patient aftercare is also very good.

    From month 0 to month 8, everything was more or less textbook in terms of growth and reaching milestones etc. There were no complications. At the recommendation of Dr. Civas, I used minoxidil on the recipient area for the first 6 months in order to jump start growth – and I then stopped minoxidil after 6 months (not really a fan…). I continue to use finasteride and have recently added biotin and MSM (just in case they actually help…).

    If you are comfortable travelling to Turkey and want a reasonably priced hair transplant with an excellent surgeon and a very strong team, then I think you should give Dr. Civas serious consideration.

    On a personal level, Dr. Civas is a very down to earth and humble person – he is very easy to talk to and seems interested in hearing about the lives of his patients. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I had to stay an extra night in Ankara and expected that I would have to pay for the extra hotel and food out of my pocket, but I was surprised and pleased to learn that Dr. Civas had already called the hotel and told them that he would take care of the bill for this too. He didn’t have to do this, as I was no longer a patient and he had been paid already – but he did.

    If you do have any questions, please ask.
     

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  2. JeanLucBB

    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    Good result, but no way in hell is that what only 3700 grafts will look like after 8 months.
     
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    spring15 Experienced Member

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    How many grafts you think?
     
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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    I've seen 6000 graft FUT cases from Hasson + Wong with lesser coverage than these "3700 grafts", but the largest extraction for a single FUE procedure usually maxes out at around 5000, so probably around that figure.

    More than a little questionable that 3700 FUE can look better in only 8 months than a similar balding area FUT case at over 6000 grafts. Joe Tillman has had over 10000 FUT and doesn't look substantially better than this,
     
  5. norwoodnot

    norwoodnot New Member My Regimen

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    Rather than accuse me of being a liar, how about you ask some questions first? I expect you to withdraw your accusation and apologise. Some points:

    · Everything in my review is honest and accurate, as are the photos. I had my hair transplant just over 8 months ago in Ankara, Turkey. Below you will find screenshots of my return flight details as proof of this. On the last paragraph of my review, I mentioned having to spend an extra night in Ankara because of unforeseen circumstances – this was because of the failed military coup which happened on 15 July 2016. You can easily verify this by using Google.

    · I have no incentive to lie. I am not being paid or get any benefit for this review. I just want to share my experiences with others on this forum on the off-chance that it might be helpful. I actually like the Civas clinic a lot and think they deserve some recognition.

    · I had 3,700 grafts, no more or less. I was initially told that I would have 3,300 but it ended up being 3,700 grafts. I can also verify by showing correspondence from the clinic but don't want to out myself on this forum. Send me your personal email address and I will send you a redacted version.

    · My hair quality has a lot to do with my result – an unusually high number of grafts were 3 or 4 hair grafts so this contributed to the result and my hair is naturally thick and a bit uncontrollable, so the density looks fairly good. If I had light hair or grafts with fewer hairs, my result would look very different.

    · I have included pictures below which are screenshots of my correspondence with Civas clink showing them my results at months 2, 4, 6 and 8. All are time stamped so it is easy to verify my progress and that I am telling the truth.

    · I had great growth between months 6 and 8, as you can see from the photos. I had been regularly trimming my hair with a clippers up until 15 December 2016. That was the last time I trimmed my hair, so the pictures I posted of my 8 month result includes 3 months of uncut hair.


    As I mentioned, an apology would be nice. Don’t just jump in with both feet and accuse somebody of being a liar.
     

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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    Well if it is only 3700 grafts it's certainly an incredible result in regards to coverage and even better considering you're only 8 months in. The thickness would definitely help. Do you have any photos uncovering the hairline? Still surprising as plenty of examples over 6000 grafts don't look any better. You'd still probably probably have another few thousand grafts left to give yourself a 15 year olds hairline if you ever wanted to.

    Your result also looks better than any Civas has posted on his website.
     
  7. norwoodnot

    norwoodnot New Member My Regimen

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    Yes, the result is better than any on the website in my view. I will get a hairline photo and upload that when I get a chance.

    I have probably got somewhere between 4,500-5,000 FUT grafts, I think. If and when I have my next procedure, I will go FUT as I don't want to shave my hair again (amazing how you get used to having hair and don't want to let it go) and I will add around 1,000 or 1,500 to the crown and back vertex, as it absolutely needs density there. I will also lower the hairline a bit and make it rounder and a bit denser, as for example the temple is a bit farther back on the right hand side. Then maybe another 1,000 grafts spread around the top where needed (especially at the edges of the initial recipient zone) just to add a bit more density.
     
  8. norwoodnot

    norwoodnot New Member My Regimen

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    So here is a hairline uncovered picture.
     

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    real impressive result by Dr. Civa.


    humble doctor, and one of the few who can actually speak fluent English.
     
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    This is very good result and better than any other results posted by same clinic various forums.
     

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