Diff between Nizoral and T-Gel?

drinkrum

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avri said:
Quite simply, the difference between Nizoral and T/Gel, is that T/Gel has zero science to show that it does anything to help hair loss, yet a lot of science to show its active ingredient is carcinogenic.


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All right, let me set this straight for the record. There is NOT a lot of science to show that the small amount of coal tar in T/Gel has any carcinogenic effects at all. Coal tar has been used for centuries and the 0.50% to 5.0% concentration has been approved by the FDA for psoriasis.

Also, it was T/Gel that was used in the Propecia trials by Merck and NOT Nizoral. Get it straight people.

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BadHairDecade

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the reason it (T/Gel) was used in the propecia trials was because it had NO hair regrowth properties like nizoral does. This way they could get a more accurate assesment of how well propecia worked. I do agree that the T/gel with coal tar is very safe to use.
 
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youngguy_uk said:
it [nizoral] was used in the finasteride trials and showed good results. it keeps down inflammation and it works, end of story.

Nizoral was NOT used in the propecia trails, T/Gel was

this is because Nizoral is believed to be a mild stimulant of hair growth, so would skew trial results.
 

avri

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drinkrum said:
All right, let me set this straight for the record. There is NOT a lot of science to show that the small amount of coal tar in T/Gel has any carcinogenic effects at all.
There is overwhelming amount of science that says coal tar is carcinogenic. In fact, coal tar is the first carcinogen ever discovered by science. It is proven to cause cancer in animals and in workers exposed to it. There is some doubt whether its shampoo concentration is equally dangerous, but since I'm not getting paid to be Neutrogena's lab rat, they can't use my skin to find out.


Coal tar has been used for centuries
So has asbestos. Your point?

Also, it was T/Gel that was used in the Propecia trials by Merck and NOT Nizoral.
Indeed it was, I never said otherwise.


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drinkrum

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avri said:
drinkrum said:
All right, let me set this straight for the record. There is NOT a lot of science to show that the small amount of coal tar in T/Gel has any carcinogenic effects at all.
There is overwhelming amount of science that says coal tar is carcinogenic. In fact, coal tar is the first carcinogen ever discovered by science. It is proven to cause cancer in animals and in workers exposed to it. There is some doubt whether its shampoo concentration is equally dangerous, but since I'm not getting paid to be Neutrogena's lab rat, they can't use my skin to find out.


Coal tar has been used for centuries
So has asbestos. Your point?

[quote:88518]Also, it was T/Gel that was used in the Propecia trials by Merck and NOT Nizoral.
Indeed it was, I never said otherwise.


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There are a billion things that are carcinogenic in the world. But they may not cause cancer if you are not exposed to a ton of it. With T/Gel, you are getting a trivial amount of coal tar. In fact, I'd be more worried about going out in the sun and getting skin cancer if I were you -- the odds are much more likely.

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The Gardener

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tynanW said:
why don't you just use the T/Gel withour Coal Tar?

For the US folks here, T/Gel with Salycilic Acid is marketed domestically as 'T/Sal'. You can find in at the grocery store. As for the other various types of T-Gel, here is the lowdown on what they all are:

Theraputic ('Normal') T-Gel contains .5% Coal Tar, the active ingredient. Coal Tar is an antifungal. Then there is T-Gel Intensive Anti-Flake which contains, I believe, 1% Coal Tar. Same strategy, more chemical. There is also another variety of T-Gel the specific name I forget but it is something to the effect of 'anti-itch'. It contains .5% Coal Tar, and also contains Menthol which is a mild topical anesthetic and feels good on the scalp. Then, there is T-Sal, which does not have Coal Tar, but has Salycilic Acid as its active ingredient. T-Sal also comes in normal and enhanced strength.

Coal Tar is an antifungal, which helps keep in check naturally occurring fungi on the scalp that can cause itching and flaking. This is IMPORTANT because the itching and flaking from the fungi act synergistically with the natural immune response occurring in male pattern baldness-affected follicles to accelerate the male pattern baldness process.

Salycilic Acid is an exfoliant, a 'fruit acid', that helps break down dead scalp tissue and makes it much more easier for the soap ingredient in the shampoo to wash away. Both are two methods of attack against the same basic problem. I would start with T-Gel Theraputic and see how it works, then you can meander to any of the other products depending on the results you get from it.

Nizoral contains Ketoanalconahole, which is also an antifungal that attacks the irritation cycle in the same fashion as Coal Tar. However, Ketoanalconahole has also been found to contain some anti-androgenetic properties that facilitate hair maintenance over and above the anti-fungal properties. In this fashion, one would think that Nizoral would be better, but I have heard it suggested that even a regular Nizoral user should rotate a little T-Gel in to keep those fungi buggers off balance and to not let them get accostumed to one form of barrage. T-Sal is NOT an antifungal, but as the antifungals do, it does help with flaking, and has the added benefit of, anecdotally speaking, improving the absorbtion of topicals by clearing the scalp of excess dead skin.

There you have it. I say find what works for you, pick and choose, mix and match, and concoct the ultimate chemical soup that keeps your scalp happy and singing!

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Cassin

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The Gardener just wrote the newbie guide to male pattern baldness shampoo, good post..... :salut:

Shampoos aside.....IMO.......One of the best things I think we should all do is give our scalp a rest from time to time. Our bodies do have a way to fight these scalp problems on their own. I think we would all benefit to let our scalp take over a few times a month. Does anyone else agree? Perhaps we should not wash our hair one day each month or even once a week. Just let our own natural oils sit on top a bit. Just rinse and no hair sprays, gels, etc......just use a hat.

I try my hardest to do this, but I can rarely go a day without two showers. The few times I have managed to take a shower and just rinse my hair with no shampoo, my hair has felt fantastic the next day. Maybe there is something to this.
 

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I fully agree with you cassin ..i think overwashing your hair is not a bad thing just something that shouldnt be done.....we wash away all the oils that cleans and protects our scalp by overwashing.

its kinda like if you drink soda.........your not supposed to brush your teeth right after you drink soda cause you wash away the chemical in your saliva that breaks down the acid in the soda.

Our bodies were made to protect us from things and overwashing messes with that cycle.
 
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Our bodies do have a way to fight these scalp problems on their own. I think we would all benefit to let our scalp take over a few times a month. Does anyone else agree

Amen Bother Cassin, Amen
 

youngguy_uk

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ok then, sorry for the misinformation, i was sure HairLossTalk.com used to say nizoral was used? maybe my memory is just playing up.

anyway, the point still stands about nizoral, there is some speculation that it helps hair loss treatment. none saying youll lose hair because of it. so why not use it?
 
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