Diet - Inflammation - male pattern baldness- The Process...

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DammitLetMeIn said:
Again you have simply taken what you agreed with out of my post and made it seem like that was the point of the post.

docj077 said:
And my screen name is "Doctor", because that's the nickname my grandfather gave me before he passed away from complications due to Glioblastoma multiforme you inconsiderate dick. Two months from diagnoses to death. You really are an a**h**. Congrats on that accomplishment.

Grow up.

Nobody on this forum knows anything about your grandfather and for you to suggest otherwise is completely ludicrous.

You're a medical student and the s/n 'Doctor' is somewhat misleading.


Anyways, back on topic:

Inflammation underpins many of the major schools of thought on what causes aging and disease, and when you eat a lot of animal fat (think steak, butter, ice cream, 10 gallon tubs of lard), it causes a cascade of inflammation in the body. And this is what's a bit freaky about Atkins dieters that roll up on a buffet of bunless cheeseburgers and bacon grease; enhanced metabolism or no, your body can't handle vast amounts of animal fat, and it mounts a concerted immune reaction (inflammation) as a response.

You have no proof of this. If there is such an immune response, there would be increased numbers of leukocytes and lymphocytes in the mucosa of the bowel as the body attempts to prevent the absorption of these materials. Afterall, the MALT in the gut is the biggest lymph organ in the entire body.

If there is indeed inflammation in the body, then there would be many markers of such inflammation. Leukocytosis and increased ESR would both likely be present at some point. Not to mention the odd pathology that would be observed in tissues.

Also, "Doctor" is only misleading if you're stupid enough to think that it somehow makes me who I am as a poster. There's a person named Powersam posting in this thread. I don't think that he's some sort of superhero.
 

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DammitLetMeIn said:
This looks like a great anti-flammatory book for those interested in reducing inflammatin through diet:

http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Inflammation ... 0897934857

As for this, you'll notice that the "doctor" that wrote the book doesn't have an M.D. by her name. She's a naturopathic doctor, which means that her knowledge of the human body is rather limited.

Naturopaths are the one's that trick people into thinking that "natural cures" will cure or help their cancer and other life-threatening diseases. They kill people by the hundreds, because of their ideals and lack of medical training.
 

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docj077 said:
Also, "Doctor" is only misleading if you're stupid enough to think that it somehow makes me who I am as a poster. There's a person named Powersam posting in this thread. I don't think that he's some sort of superhero.

I think, even you can can see the difference in impact between 'Doctor' and 'Powersam', especially when you're consistently providing medical information.

docj077 said:
As for this, you'll notice that the "doctor" that wrote the book doesn't have an M.D. by her name. She's a naturopathic doctor, which means that her knowledge of the human body is rather limited. .

an invalid presupposition

docj077 said:
Naturopaths are the one's that trick people into thinking that "natural cures" will cure or help their cancer and other life-threatening diseases. They kill people by the hundreds, because of their ideals and lack of medical training.

Medical propaganda


Anyways, I don't want to turn this thread into a Me vs You thread, or even a Conventional Medicine v Alternative medicine thread.

There are plenty of M.D.'s out there who recommend anti-inflammatory foods.
 

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DammitLetMeIn said:
docj077 said:
As for this, you'll notice that the "doctor" that wrote the book doesn't have an M.D. by her name. She's a naturopathic doctor, which means that her knowledge of the human body is rather limited. .

an invalid presupposition

docj077 said:
Naturopaths are the one's that trick people into thinking that "natural cures" will cure or help their cancer and other life-threatening diseases. They kill people by the hundreds, because of their ideals and lack of medical training.

Medical propaganda


Anyways, I don't want to turn this thread into a Me vs You thread, or even a Conventional Medicine v Alternative medicine thread.

There are plenty of M.D.'s out there who recommend anti-inflammatory foods.

Yes, there are. They are called Gastroenterologists and Dieticians. They also happen to have an M.D. behind their names. I do not trust the opinion of those people that only involve themselves with natural remedies. Targeted medical therapies are often the only cure for diseases and misleading patients into thinking otherwise should be considered murder.
 

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docj077 said:
Yes, there are. They are called Gastroenterologists and Dieticians. They also happen to have an M.D. behind their names. I do not trust the opinion of those people that only involve themselves with natural remedies. Targeted medical therapies are often the only cure for diseases and misleading patients into thinking otherwise should be considered murder.

If you want to argue about this I suggest starting another thread. I am not so concerned about what you trust. Everyone is free to maintain an open mind on matters and should not be denied that freedom by a potentially erroneous belief.
 

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DammitLetMeIn said:
docj077 said:
Also, "Doctor" is only misleading if you're stupid enough to think that it somehow makes me who I am as a poster. There's a person named Powersam posting in this thread. I don't think that he's some sort of superhero.

I think, even you can can see the difference in impact between 'Doctor' and 'Powersam', especially when you're consistently providing medical information.

Yep, I can see the difference between someone putting 'Doctor' in front of their name and some putting 'powersam'.

Unfortunately, this is also an internet forum. Everyone that asks me for advice is told to consult their personal medical professional that they frequent. What is posted by me on this website is merely the findings and opinions of one person.
 

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docj077 said:
Yep, I can see the difference between someone putting 'Doctor' in front of their name and some putting 'powersam'.

Unfortunately, this is also an internet forum. Everyone that asks me for advice is told to consult their personal medical professional that they frequent. What is posted by me on this website is merely the findings and opinions of one person.

Anyone that sees medical information posted under the screen name 'Doctor' may quite easily be forgiving that it is in fact a doctor who is providing medical and scientific information when in fact this is not the case.

Indeed, at present it would seem that you are no more qualified than anyone else on this board (assuming there are no doctors).

Many people tend to respect the view of a doctor and take his or her view as final. This would be very wrong if they were to draw the conclusion in your case since you are not in fact a doctor.

Moreover, they may assign equal weight yo your view over that of another MD (who has provided information on a website which conflicts with your opinion) in the belief that you are of equivalent status when in fact you are not.
 

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The 3 Levels of
Inflammation Health
Throughout your life, unseen forces are shaping your health. As most people age, they usually progress through three distinct phases of health. Your future depends on understanding these three health levels, and in controlling them. To succeed in weight loss programs and diets, you absolutely must understand the three levels of health.
You start life in Level 1, which is a non-inflammation, non-insulin resistant state. Your body is able to main homeostasis -- your metabolism adjusts itself to maintain a steady weight and to fight diseases automatically. You look and feel good.
As you encounter infections and eat the wrong foods, you lose your ability to maintain a healthy balance. Infections could be similar to today's Bird Flu (H5N1) Asian Influenza, measles, mumps, pneumonia, the common cold, gum or tooth infections or a sinus problem. Inflammation increases each time you suffer one of these infections or eat high levels of sugars or "bad fats".
Each time you become inflamed, you struggle to get back to normal. But sometimes, you don't quite go all the way back. Your body "remembers" your infection and increases its "ready reserve" of inflammatory cytokines, keeping your system on a knife-sharp edge of readiness. Unfortunately, while being constantly ready for infection helps you survive the next infection, it exerts terrible wear-and-tear on your body's delicate tissues and interferes with the smooth functioning of many metabolic systems. Gradually, you move into Level 2, which is chronic low-level inflammation and insulin resistance.
Level 2 involves a powerful chain reaction of mutually reinforcing metabolic processes. Infection produces inflammation. Inflammation produces insulin resistance. Insulin resistance produces weight gain. Weight gain produces inflammatory cytokines leading to more insulin resistance.
Insulin resistance starves our muscles, which react by sending messages that lower our resting energy expenditure to conserve our reserves and then, the insulin resistance makes us hungry in an effort to feed our starving muscles. Under these conditions, weight loss is almost impossible. We look "fat" to others, but our muscles think we're starving... at least chemically. Due to this process, grossly fat people are in fact starving. As a result of this starvation, we eat more sugars, simple starches and fats to add to our disease, while preventing or slowing weight loss inspite of your dieting efforts.
As these conditions worsen, you finally begin to exhibit obvious diseases of Level 3 -- cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, hypertension, Alzheimers, arthritis, stroke, cancer... To that list add acne vulgaris, multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy, benign prostatic hyperplagea, polycystic ovary disease, chronic headaches, cluster and migraine headaches, skin tags, many auto-immune diseases and so on. It's a big list.
 

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ANTI INFLAMMATORY DIET RECOMMENDED BY DR GIFFORD JONES OF HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL

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The Anti-Inflammatory Diet: A Diet for All Ages
by Dr. W. Gifford Jones

Tuesday, March 1, 2005

What is the most prudent diet to follow today? Some swear it’s the Atkin’s high protein diet. Others believe the low fat Ornish diet is the answer. And I’ve often stressed that a high fiber diet promotes health. But what about The Anti-Inflammatory Diet?

A report from Tufts University in Boston has an entirely new twist on nutrition and health. It claims that if we can decrease inflammation in our body we can also decrease the progression of disease.

We all know that something is amiss when we have an inflamed throat. But no one would give inflammation a second thought as the cause if the doctor--diagnosed high blood pressure, heart disease or arthritis. Yet inflammation may be the culprit.

Today hypertension is a major cause of stroke, heart and kidney disease. But in 90 percent of cases doctors cannot pinpoint the reason for the hypertension. Years ago Sir William Osler, one of this country’s greatest physicians, hit the nail on the head when he remarked "You need good rubber to live a long life". In other words, it’s better to have soft, flexible arteries than hard ones. Stiff arteries force the heart to push harder creating hypertension and its complications.

But Osler had no idea what made the arteries stiff. Now researchers suggest that inflammation is the culprit and a test called C-reactive protein (CRP) can measure the degree of inflammation. A study of 20,000 people followed for eight years showed that those who had the highest level of CRP were 50 per cent more likely to develop hypertension.

Elevated CRP levels also predict who will more likely develop coronary heart disease. Harvard doctors reported that those with the highest CRP concentrations were four and a half times more likely to end up with heart disease.

But what shocked researchers was the next finding. Those with normal cholesterol levels, but with high concentrations of CRP, were also more prone to heart trouble. This helps to explain why 50 per cent of heart attack victims have normal blood cholesterol.

For years researchers have known that inflammation is associated with arthritis. Now they are more and more convinced that an anti-inflammation diet can help to ease pain of stiff, swollen inflamed joints.

A blood test is the only way to diagnose a high CRP level. But Dr. Ernst Schaefer, Chief of the Lipid Metabolism Laboratory at Tufts, says that abdominal obesity is a good predictor of elevated CRP.

The best way to lower CRP is to lose weight. But shedding pounds off the middle is more effective than around the hips and thighs.

So what’s an anti-inflammatory diet? It’s a daily diet that contains more anti-inflammatory omega-3 fatty acids. Unfortunately, most people consume 10 times as much pro-inflammatory omega-6 fatty acids. This is also 10 times more than our ancestors consumed before the advent of supermarkets.

Omega-3 fatty acid is present in walnuts, pecans and green vegetables. But it’s abundant in fish oils such as salmon, herring, sardines, mackerel and fresh Bluefin tuna. A study at the University of Washington showed that people who consumed two or more servings of fish every week were 40 per cent less likely to develop arthritis later on.

In another study in Denmark, patients with rheumatoid arthritis ate four ounces of fish every day for six months. They experienced significant decreases in stiffness, swollen joints and all around pain.

Another way to increase the amount of omega-3 fatty acids is to buy Naturegg. Two of these eggs contain 800 milligrams of omega-3 or 50 per cent of the recommended daily allowance. This will not increase blood cholesterol. Naturegg, used over a three week period, decreases triglycerides as much as 32 percent.

To decrease the amount of omega-6 fatty acids in your diet cut down on processed foods, cookies, frozen foods and many dessert items. Preparing your own meals is a good start towards a healthier diet and less inflammation.

Several months ago, I mentioned a cream that helps to rejuvenate aging skin and it hit a responsive note. But many readers keep writing that they cannot locate "Reversa". For information call the toll-free number 1-800-465-8383. My overworked secretary would appreciate it!

Since many readers have requested the Gifford-Jones Living Will it’s been reprinted. It can be obtained by sending a self-addressed stamped envelop and $5.00 to Dr. Gifford-Jones, First Canadian Medical Centre, King and Bay, PO Box 119, Toronto, Ontario, M5X 1A4

Dr. W. Gifford Jones can be reached at giffordjones@sympatico.ca


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W. Gifford-Jones M.D is the pen name of Dr. Ken Walker graduate of The Harvard Medical School. He’s been a ship’s surgeon, hotel physician and family doctor and later trained in surgery at McGill in Montreal, University of Rochester N.Y. and Harvard. His medical column is published by 60 Canadian newspapers and several in the U.S. He is the author of seven books. Dr. Walker has a medical practice in Toronto. . He can be reached at letters@canadafreepress.com

http://www.canadafreepress.com/medical/ ... 030105.htm
 

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Heres a clinically proven anti-inflammatory diet book:

http://www.amazon.com/Inflammation-Nati ... 164&sr=8-7


one reader's review:

This book presents a new and unique approach to dietary management of inflammatory diseases like arthritis and atsma.
Dr. Chilton is a professor of internal medicine at Wake Forest U. He cites six clinical studies and six peer-reviewed publications which support his approach. In the text he doesn't get into the details of these studies because the book isn't for doctors, it's for people who want to improve their health. One of the papers is reprinted in an appendix. He says that you should start to feel the results of the diet in a couple of weeks.
Here's the basis of the program:
It's known that the body uses an omega-6 fatty acid called AA to make some of the messengers which cause inflammation. Reducing the amount of AA in our bodies has been shown to reduce inflammation.
AA enters our blood streams in two ways. We eat AA directly in animal products such as meat and fish. Our bodies also make AA from other omega-6 fatty acids which we get from plant based foods.
The conventional advice has been to limit ALL omega-6 fats, to get a balanced ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids.
Chilton says that only AA in the diet is a problem. Our bodies do convert other omega-6 fatty acids to AA, but very slowly. He shows you what meat and fish you can eat without getting a large dose of AA in the bargain.
In addition, he recommends taking a suplement of GLA, which impedes the conversion of AA into messengers which cause inflammation, and getting a certain amout of omega-3 EPA as well. (from either fish or supplements) The doses of GLA and EPA depend on whether you're already sick, or just trying to avoid getting that way.
Finally, he recommends avoiding carbs like white bread and sugar, which have a high glycemic index. That's becasue they raise insulin levels in the blood, which is another factor in inflammation.
This is a great book. It isn't the easiest book to understand. You may have to study it, rather than just reading it through once.
 

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DammitLetMeIn said:
Finally, he recommends avoiding carbs like white bread and sugar, which have a high glycemic index. That's becasue they raise insulin levels in the blood, which is another factor in inflammation.
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I can stop eating cookies, candies,sugar,coke ... but dont take away my freaking bread... how about whole grain breads those are bad too ?
 

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Also, "Doctor" is only misleading if you're stupid enough to think that it somehow makes me who I am as a poster. There's a person named Powersam posting in this thread. I don't think that he's some sort of superhero.

i am so a super hero.
 

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powersam said:
docj077 said:
Also, "Doctor" is only misleading if you're stupid enough to think that it somehow makes me who I am as a poster. There's a person named Powersam posting in this thread. I don't think that he's some sort of superhero.

i am so a super hero.

What is your super power?
 

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Werent you going to stay away until you got some results documented with photographs?
Looks like things arent working out too well for you lately, or else you wouldnt be on here begging and scrounging for reassurance once again.
 
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Insulin is a growth factor.

docj doesn't have a misleading name you prick guy. I think its fine, he is going to be a doctor anyways. I'm sure he knows much more about the physiology of the human body than you do considering he is a med student. So quit talking sh*t.
 

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JayB said:
Werent you going to stay away until you got some results documented with photographs?.

I have nothing to document. I don't have a problem as such. I'm just providing information. Don't worry about me, just read what I've provided and provide your opinion on it. If you don't agree thats up to you. I'd welcome any input you had with regards insulin and the inflammatory process however.

JayB said:
Looks like things arent working out too well for you lately, or else you wouldnt be on here begging and scrounging for reassurance once again.

Begging? what are you talking about?

scrounging for reassurance? for what? I'm just genuinely interested in the whole thing. I like having good healthy hair and skin, eating well, doing weights and being fit. I also think the whole baldness issues provides valuable insights into the aging process.
 

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badasshairday said:
Insulin is a growth factor. .

IGF-1 is a growth factor but high levels have also been linked to vertex baldness.

badasshairday said:
docj doesn't have a misleading name you prick guy.

It is misleading. He's not a qualified medical professional. He's just a student. To someone who is browsing the forum who sees the name 'Doctor' and medical information they'll automatically think it is a qualified professional who is providing the information when this is absolutely not the case. He is no more a doctor than you or I at present.

I know of many many students who have dropped out of med school and failed their course. Would you trust their advice/information? I welcome the fact he provides information but have legitimate concerns about people thinkig its from an M.D. and placing trust in it when this is not the case.

badasshairday said:
I'm sure he knows much more about the physiology of the human body than you do considering he is a med student. So quit talking $#iT.

I don't mind him saying he knows more than me about human physiology, however, its when he refutes information provided by qualified M.D.'s who have been doing their jobs for many years that I have a problem.

Consider a medical student telling an experienced doctor he is wrong or inaccurate.
 

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DammitLetMeIn said:
Consider a medical student telling an experienced doctor he is wrong or inaccurate.

You're still a noob at this whole debate thing. I've never said that any doctor has been wrong. In fact, I always point out that any given study that you post has the doctor agreeing with me no more than one to two paragraphs away from where you take your points out of context. In fact, many of the studies that you've posted clearly say that their is no correlation between two diseases or physiological abnormalities that you try so desperately to link.

If everyone is going to consider anything, have them consider a forumite without any formal scientific training trying to convince people that their diet is the source of all their problems. Then, consider that this very same person posts studies that contradict the very points he attempts to make. Finally, consider his opinion, formulate your own opinion, and stop listening to the rantings of a person that really has no idea what he's talking about.

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exactly he pulls these studies out and just takes out the bits that reinforce his opinions when the studies in a whole are meant to prove something entirely different and in the end some contradict what he is saying.
He also fails to accept any of the studies that contradict his "theory" (because that's all it is).

He'll argue it to his death.. just ignore him.
 
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