Diet - Inflammation - male pattern baldness- The Process...

DammitLetMeIn

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Found this guys, makes a lotta sense:

“When we eat foods that cause a sharp spike in blood sugar, it results in elevated levels of insulin, causing an inflammatory response,â€￾ he explains. This in turn results in the damage or “glycationâ€￾ of collagen, the protein in the skin that helps to make it bouncy and youthful. Any destruction to collagen lays the foundation for wrinkles and loss of elasticity.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_a ... 503824.ece

this has implications for male pattern baldness considering what happens in the scalp inflammation-wise
 

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It's not insulin that does the damage. In fact, insulin prevents the damage. Low levels of insulin will cause hyperglycemia. Hyperglycemia causes cells and tissues that don't have insulin receptors to take up the excess sugar. Increased glucose within the cell results in the glucose being converted to sorbitol. Sorbitol is the molecule responsible for glycosylation of proteins including cellular enzymes. Not only that, but these sugars can form reducing sugars and damage other cellular structures.

When insulin is around this whole process is avoided unless there is insensitivity at the level of the insulin receptor which happens to be a tyrosine kinase. The predisposition to towards developing this insensitivity is largely genetic in origin.
 

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Why do you always think you have the answers damnitletmein? It's never as simple as you think. Sorry.
 

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docj077 said:
It's not insulin that does the damage. In fact, insulin prevents the damage. Low levels of insulin will cause hyperglycemia. Hyperglycemia causes cells and tissues that don't have insulin receptors to take up the excess sugar. Increased glucose within the cell results in the glucose being converted to sorbitol. Sorbitol is the molecule responsible for glycosylation of proteins including cellular enzymes. Not only that, but these sugars can form reducing sugars and damage other cellular structures.

When insulin is around this whole process is avoided unless there is insensitivity at the level of the insulin receptor which happens to be a tyrosine kinase. The predisposition to towards developing this insensitivity is largely genetic in origin.

So this Doctor's (and many many others) are wrong and you (a mere medical student) is right?

Why is your screen name Doctor when your not a doctor. Thats misleading.
 

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barcafan said:
Why do you always think you have the answers damnitletmein? It's never as simple as you think. Sorry.


Its not me. It was the Doctor in the pretty well established newspaper (London Times).

You guys eat up what Doc077 says like he's automatically correct when all he ever does is provide his slant on things.

High insulin spikes cause an inflammatory response - end of story.
 

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More evidence:

Inflammation underpins many of the major schools of thought on what causes aging and disease, and when you eat a lot of animal fat (think steak, butter, ice cream, 10 gallon tubs of lard), it causes a cascade of inflammation in the body. And this is what's a bit freaky about Atkins dieters that roll up on a buffet of bunless cheeseburgers and bacon grease; enhanced metabolism or no, your body can't handle vast amounts of animal fat, and it mounts a concerted immune reaction (inflammation) as a response.

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000668.php
 

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More evidence (study):

High glycemic foods may also contribute to the inflammatory process.
Keeping your circulating insulin levels down Foods that spike blood sugar spur inflammation. In new research at Harvard, women who ate foods with the highest glycemic load had nearly twice as much inflammation. Such foods include white potatoes, white rice, white bread, sugar and highly processed cereals. Increased insulin levels also increase the production of arachidonic acid (AA) a major player in the inflammation cycle. If you are producing to much insulin you are prone to inflammation. If you are overweight you are probably producing to much insulin, if you are storing your fat around your mid section you are a probably producing to much insulin.

http://injury-performancecare.blogspot. ... on-is.html

Arachodonic acid - AA (Promotes inflammation) - Fatty cuts of meat, egg yolks
Great strides have been made in understanding the mechanisms involved in chronic inflammatory disorders such as arthritis. One culprit is the excess accumulation of Arachodonic acid that cascades down into pro-inflammatory agents such as prostaglandin E2, leukotrienes, and thromboxanes. The prostaglandins cause pain and the leukotrienes cause swelling and the redness that is associated with inflammation.

Drugs such as Celebrex inhibit the COX-2 enzyme that inhibits Arachodonic acid from breaking down into prostaglandin E2. The problem is that Arachodonic acid can cascade down via other pathways to produce equally damaging leukotrienes and thromboxanes. In order to block the formation of prosta-glandin E2, leukotrienes, and thromboxanes, it is critical to reduce Arachodonic acid levels.

Limiting foods that convert to Arachodonic acid can help reduce inflammation. Arachodonic acid is a precursor to both prostaglandin E2 and the pro-inflammatory cytokine leukotriene B(4) (Brock et al. 1999).

Another dietary factor that can lead to high levels of Arachodonic acid is the over consumption of high-glycemic index carbohydrates that cause excess production of insulin (Kreisberg et al. 1983). These quickly digestible foods include fruit juices or rice cakes. Food heavy in polyunsaturated fats or saturated fats can also increase prostaglandin E2. Use turmeric in your cooking, this yellow indian spice inhibits an enzyme that is used in the production of AA.
Avoid Omega 6 oils Omega 6 fats lead to inflammation these are: safflower oil, sunflower oil, corn oil, soybean oil. These oils are especially bad if you have high levels of circulating insulin in your body.
 

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Wookster even posted stuff in the last thread regarding inflammation.

I got no problems with Doc077 posting his opinion as long as people realize its one student providing HIS understanding. In fact I welcome it.

HOWEVER,

There are infinitely more qualified people who disagree completely with his opinion so I'd appeal to you all to be independent minded and think for yourselves and look at the evidence presented wholly objectivity.
 

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INFLAMMATION REDUCTION WITH GOOD FATS- Dr. Green

How much do you take?

Depending on your age and the medical conditions you have there are different target doses. These are guidelines. To be exactly correct, we can test your blood and measure the omega-6:3 ratio or the AA/EPA ratio. Target doses are as follows:

Maintaining Good Health 2.4 g/day
Improved Cardiovascular Health 2.4-4.8 g/day
Improved Brain Function 4.8-9.6 g/day
Inflammation Reduction 4.8-9.6 g/day
Optimal Health 4.8-9.6 g/day
Treating Neurologic Disease (Alzheimer�s, ADHD) 9.6+ g/day

http://lightcare.net/index.php?id=36,102,0,0,1,0
 

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Im sick of insulin arguments. It and diet are not the magical pieces. Lets stop arguing pitch in some money and buy Docj and bryan a small lab so they can cure male pattern baldness once and for all. Id bet on them before the some of the scientists whose studies ive read.
 

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so though doctor mercola found that over 3/4 prematurely balding males were insulin resistant is not important?

nor the solid fact that most male type 2 diabetics go bald?

nor that balding rates in asian populations have sky rocketed since taking on a more western diet?

nor that diet has been shown to increase sebum levels which as we know are androgen controlled, meaning that diet can and does affect androgen levels?
 

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powersam said:
so though doctor mercola found that over 3/4 prematurely balding males were insulin resistant is not important?

nor the solid fact that most male type 2 diabetics go bald?

nor that balding rates in asian populations have sky rocketed since taking on a more western diet?

nor that diet has been shown to increase sebum levels which as we know are androgen controlled, meaning that diet can and does affect androgen levels?

Sounds significant, but don't most men go bald? And how many sources confirm that the asians just recently started going bald?
 

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abcdefg said:
Im sick of insulin arguments. It and diet are not the magical pieces. Lets stop arguing pitch in some money and buy Docj and bryan a small lab so they can cure male pattern baldness once and for all. Id bet on them before the some of the scientists whose studies ive read.

Some of these scientists did thousands of experiments to discover that B2, B3, and C1 fight hair loss. Then with the biochemical pathways, I doubt bryan and docj077 would be able to do much. docj077 could do some tests, but the main issue is getting the big labs to keep on exploring stuff.
 

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Lets get to the simple question: What is the best diet/regimen we can take for our fight to male pattern baldness? Fuits and vegetables, lots of proteins or fat foods?
 

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collegechemistrystudent said:
powersam said:
so though doctor mercola found that over 3/4 prematurely balding males were insulin resistant is not important?

nor the solid fact that most male type 2 diabetics go bald?

nor that balding rates in asian populations have sky rocketed since taking on a more western diet?

nor that diet has been shown to increase sebum levels which as we know are androgen controlled, meaning that diet can and does affect androgen levels?

Sounds significant, but don't most men go bald? And how many sources confirm that the asians just recently started going bald?

80% of men go bald eventually.
 

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collegechemistrystudent said:
powersam said:
so though doctor mercola found that over 3/4 prematurely balding males were insulin resistant is not important?

nor the solid fact that most male type 2 diabetics go bald?

nor that balding rates in asian populations have sky rocketed since taking on a more western diet?

nor that diet has been shown to increase sebum levels which as we know are androgen controlled, meaning that diet can and does affect androgen levels?

Sounds significant, but don't most men go bald? And how many sources confirm that the asians just recently started going bald?

40% go bald I've read.
 

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IBM said:
Lets get to the simple question: What is the best diet/regimen we can take for our fight to male pattern baldness? Fuits and vegetables, lots of proteins or fat foods?

Low Glycemic is the key.
 

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DammitLetMeIn said:
docj077 said:
It's not insulin that does the damage. In fact, insulin prevents the damage. Low levels of insulin will cause hyperglycemia. Hyperglycemia causes cells and tissues that don't have insulin receptors to take up the excess sugar. Increased glucose within the cell results in the glucose being converted to sorbitol. Sorbitol is the molecule responsible for glycosylation of proteins including cellular enzymes. Not only that, but these sugars can form reducing sugars and damage other cellular structures.

When insulin is around this whole process is avoided unless there is insensitivity at the level of the insulin receptor which happens to be a tyrosine kinase. The predisposition to towards developing this insensitivity is largely genetic in origin.

So this Doctor's (and many many others) are wrong and you (a mere medical student) is right?

Why is your screen name Doctor when your not a doctor. Thats misleading.

No, the doctor is correct if you simply read another paragraph down. Your interpretation is once again incorrect.

You want the mechanism, here is the mechanism.

"Intracellular Hyperglycemia with Disturbances in Polyol Pathways. In some tissues that do not require insulin for glucose transport (e.g. nerves, lenses, kidneys, blood vessels), hyperglycemia leads to an increase in intracellular glucose that is then metabolized by the enzyme aldose reductase to sorbitol, a polyol, and eventually to fructose. In this process, intracellular NADPH is used as a cofactor. NADPH is also required as a cofactor by the enzyme glutathione reductase for regenerating reduced glutathione (GSH). You will recall that GSH is one of the important antioxidant mechanisms in the cell, and a reduction in GSH levels increases cellular susceptibility to oxidative stress. In the face of sustained hyperglycemia, progressive depletion of intracellular NADPH by aldol reductase leads to a compromise of GSH regeneration. Thus, the deleterious consequences of the aldose reductase pathway arise primarily by increasing cellular susceptibility to oxidative stress(1)."

1.Kumar, Abbas, and Fausto. Robbins and Cotran Pathologic Basis of Disease. 7th Edition. Copyright 2005. PG. 1198-1199.

If you have questions regarding the validity of the material presented here, check the comments and rating regarding this book. There is only one book required for medical school pathology. This is the book. Not only that, but this entire book controls the future of any aspiring M.D. as it's the only book that will allow you to pass pathology. Pathology makes the doctor.

Since you seem to inclined to study science and utter your simplistic interpretations of scientific theory, perhaps you should read this book. It's only 1446 pages long and if you're a brave person, you'll realize that a medical student is tested over every single word.

http://www.amazon.com/Robbins-Cotran-Pa ... 460&sr=8-1

So, like I said, the majority of the damage takes place in tissues that do not require insulin for the uptake of glucose. Not only is this true, but the correlation between obesity and insulin resistance is very high, as well as, the correlation between insulin resistance and genetic inheritance.

Unfortunately, not everyone on these forums has insulin resistance. The physical signs and symptoms are quite easy to diagnose if you know what your body feels like when it goes hyper- or hypoglycemic in different situations.


And my screen name is "Doctor", because that's the nickname my grandfather gave me before he passed away from complications due to Glioblastoma multiforme you inconsiderate dick. Two months from diagnoses to death. You really are an a**h**. Congrats on that accomplishment.
 

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Again you have simply taken what you agreed with out of my post and made it seem like that was the point of the post.

docj077 said:
And my screen name is "Doctor", because that's the nickname my grandfather gave me before he passed away from complications due to Glioblastoma multiforme you inconsiderate dick. Two months from diagnoses to death. You really are an a**h**. Congrats on that accomplishment.

Grow up.

Nobody on this forum knows anything about your grandfather and for you to suggest otherwise is completely ludicrous.

You're a medical student and the s/n 'Doctor' is somewhat misleading.


Anyways, back on topic:

Inflammation underpins many of the major schools of thought on what causes aging and disease, and when you eat a lot of animal fat (think steak, butter, ice cream, 10 gallon tubs of lard), it causes a cascade of inflammation in the body. And this is what's a bit freaky about Atkins dieters that roll up on a buffet of bunless cheeseburgers and bacon grease; enhanced metabolism or no, your body can't handle vast amounts of animal fat, and it mounts a concerted immune reaction (inflammation) as a response.

IBM said:
Lets get to the simple question: What is the best diet/regimen we can take for our fight to male pattern baldness? Fuits and vegetables, lots of proteins or fat foods?

This looks like a great anti-flammatory book for those interested in reducing inflammatin through diet:

http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Inflammation ... 0897934857
 
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