Crown area help

[jimbob_86]

Hi guys,

I'm brand new to the site. Never used any hair products before. I have always had thin hair but have recently noticed a patch on the top of my head. Although thin, I'm not really worried about the frontal areas, its just the crown at the moment.

Could anyone provide me with any information with regards to treatment?

Cheers

 

[Hoppi]

Nizroral, HMR/SDG lignan and possibly mild finasteride?

That's what I would recommend anyway, significantly more can be done if you want that will probably help but, depends how far you wanna go

 

[jimbob_86]

Yeah, I'm a bit scared having read some users experiences of finasteride. But I'm gonna take your advice and give it a shot. Where can I get them from?

 

[jimbob_86]

and what do you define as mild finasteride?

 

[Hoppi]

Hiya sorry I went quiet

To be honest I've still been learning like crazy, it's amazing how many possible reasons there seem to be for hair loss. Brian (basically my mentor lol) said I should check for hypothyroidism, as he thinks that is one of the largest causes (if not THE cause) of male pattern baldness hair loss amongst younger guys. At least I believe that's what he thinks.

I may have been off a little by pointing a finger at insulin levels, but I do believe that they too play a part as all these things affect hormonal balance, amongst other things.

I checked my thyroid with a temperature test and found that according to what I'm reading, it seems to be underactive. For me therefore, the solution seems to be to correct my diet, and counteract things that are caused by my anxiety/stress, such as an underactive thyroid, reduced SHBG levels and increased inflammation (and one other thing that I don't understand yet!)

In your case, perhaps you too need to work out what is the underlying trigger for your hair loss. Most people on here seem to be members of the finasteride brigade, but there seem to be many possible underlying factors that can cause male pattern baldness as far as I can tell, and merely cutting down 5ar/DHT levels I feel is a very sloppy and probably ultimately doomed way to combat the problem.

I am sorry I am flip-flopping a bit, but you have to understand this is quite new to me too and I have learnt so much so fast. I also had many suspects for my hair loss, as I have anxiety, my diet was bad (exactly the kind many feel increases hair loss and upsets many hormones) and I had a sudden change in my skin also. (It went lighter, thinner and drier, which is a classic sign of hypothyroidism).

In your case, for now yes you can jump on some light finasteride, lignans and Nizoral (I'll tell you how to do this and where to get them in a sec) but in the long run, I would very much recommend to try to outline the underlying cause.

There is a small chance I believe that I am wrong and that yes some gene is "turned on" at some point and then you can't turn it back, but I don't really believe this at the moment, not according to what I have learnt. And irrespective of that, I believe that there are real triggers.

For finasteride and that, I get Finpecia from Inhouse Pharmacy and cut it into quarters, at the moment I'm just on 0.25mg every other day (this won't do much but just takes the very peak off of your DHT I believe, and can always be increased to every day if you feel the need). Even less but every day is probably fine too.

Lignans you can get from http://www.swansonvitamins.com, they sell SDG and HMR (the best) I believe. Many are also available on ebay (under Swanson brand and all sorts) but I don't think HMR is on there. I am on SDG at the moment but only really because I didn't know about HMR at the time. Flax seeds work too but have more potential sides, and I like to know EXACTLY what I am taking and what it does!

Nizoral is at Boots

Well, good luck man I'll send you a short PM as well - Peace!

Hoppi

 

[timbo]

Hiya sorry I went quiet

there seem to be many possible underlying factors that can cause male pattern baldness as far as I can tell

Hoppi, that is the point: you can't tell, because you have no idea what you're talking about. Stop giving people advice.

 

[Hoppi]

Hiya sorry I went quiet

there seem to be many possible underlying factors that can cause male pattern baldness as far as I can tell

Hoppi, that is the point: you can't tell, because you have no idea what you're talking about. Stop giving people advice.

I thought that my advice was very balanced and walked a good line between mainstream approaches (finasteride and nizoral) and more orthomolecular and "alternative" approaches (trying to determine the root cause and tackling the problem there).

I am just trying to give him the best advice I can, and yes my knowledge of more accepted treatments like finasteride, nizoral, Dutas, Minoxidil (and it's related products), spironolactone, flutamide, RU... ALL of that stuff, my knowledge of that is pretty good too

 

[timbo]

I thought that my advice was very balanced and walked a good line between mainstream approaches (finasteride and nizoral) and more orthomolecular and "alternative" approaches (trying to determine the root cause and tackling the problem there).

Hoppi, think about it! You are not a doctor! Therefore, the only things you should be recommending to people are things that have medical research and clinical testing to back them up and show they work for hair loss. Alternative approaches have not been proven to work at regrowing hair or slowing down the balding process. The worst part is, you are recommending things to people that you have not even seen work for yourself.

Stop making me repeat myself, Hoppi.

 

[jimbob_86]

If I wasnt confused before, I certainly am now! Could anyone provide with me further advice?

 

[Hoppi]

I thought that my advice was very balanced and walked a good line between mainstream approaches (finasteride and nizoral) and more orthomolecular and "alternative" approaches (trying to determine the root cause and tackling the problem there).

Hoppi, think about it! You are not a doctor! Therefore, the only things you should be recommending to people are things that have medical research and clinical testing to back them up and show they work for hair loss. Alternative approaches have not been proven to work at regrowing hair or slowing down the balding process. The worst part is, you are recommending things to people that you have not even seen work for yourself.

Stop making me repeat myself, Hoppi.

I'm afraid the reality is you're not in control of what I do or say. Sorry, I think I'll just continue to express my opinions

 

[Hoppi]

If I wasnt confused before, I certainly am now! Could anyone provide with me further advice?

Aw heh I think the reality is there is no single way to approach male pattern hair loss, or any kind of hair loss for that matter.

Like I say, if you're sure its male pattern baldness (hairline recession, crown etc), then my advice would be to quick fix it with mild Finasteride (up to 0.5mg a day but I'd go for 0.25, watch out for side-effects) and Nizoral 2%, feel free to throw the lignans in there for good luck if you want as they should help to lower your free T and E as well. Good diet also does this. Also there are a ton of good shampoos that stimulate hair growth

In the long run though, I personally fall into the camp that believes it is possible to deal with the root causes of hair loss and help the rest of your health at the same time! But whether you do that is up to you ^_^

Do you have any pictures of your hair(line)?

 

[timbo]

Jimbob, I would recommend not taking any advice from hoppi. If you want to learn how hair loss works and how to deal with it. A good place to start is here.

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/hair-loss-men/