Could eunuchs go bald?

[abcdefg]

My basic question is if a man was castrated or all androgens reduced to 0 before any hair loss at all could this man still go bald or have even slight temple recession ever in his life?
Are there any recent examples of living people like this or maybe guys with androgen insensitivity?

 

[Mygoodness]

Mmm, this is a fun post. I think that unless he was super sensitive to dht then his hair would only experience normal age related thinning and hairline advancement as seen in old women. I would think the adrenals would put out enough t to cause some effect, if sensitive. Can't reduce t to nothing, you'd probably be really messed up.
As for example, I remember from my genetics course the prof talked about a high frequency of a certain gene allele mutation that caused faulty 5ar type II; this was present in males from the dominican republic. These guys kept their hair perfectly. They also had immature male characteristics, like wang size.

 

[asdf1234]

My basic question is if a man was castrated or all androgens reduced to 0 before any hair loss at all could this man still go bald or have even slight temple recession ever in his life?
Are there any recent examples of living people like this or maybe guys with androgen insensitivity?

they don't go bald. A famous philosopher noticed this a few ghousand years ago.

 

[s.a.f]

Nor do they grow facial or chest hair.

 

[Bryan]

My basic question is if a man was castrated or all androgens reduced to 0 before any hair loss at all could this man still go bald or have even slight temple recession ever in his life?

Not from androgenetic alopecia. He might still go bald from getting cancer and having to take chemotherapy, or maybe other medical problems (really severe malnutrition, for example).

 

[dpdr]

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=54640&start=0

 

[abcdefg]

Yeah an interesting comment on the bottom of that page about how that guy was actually not bald on a different picture shortly before he died, and that picture might have been edited or changed. Also interesting how this comment says this eunuch had a mature hairline even with nearly all his testosterone removed but still had 30% of his baseline DHT.
I think though men have other forms of androgens other then just testosterone and DHT so maybe removing all of them and increasing estrogen is what you need much like women have to not lose any hair.

"The last Eunuch in China did not go bald. This falsehood is being propagated on hair loss forums, mostly by people who have their own alternate theories for the etiology of Androgenetic Alopecia, and is based on a bad, overexposed, and maybe doctored picture on the cover of a book they’ve never read.

Look him up. There is one picture of him shortly before his death with the man who wrote his biography, and he has a full head of thick, but shortly cropped (which is why he looks bald) white hair.

Interestingly, however, he did develop a mature hair line, and since a castrate will have 30% of his baseline DHT and only 5% of his baseline T, this basically excludes T as the cause of at least his mature hair line…

… and probably everyone eles."

 

[uk100]

eunuchs cannot go bald from male pattern baldness, they could still suffer hair loss for other medical reasons though

 

[Chris87]

The guy looks ancient...when you get that f*****g old things happen..the body breaks down..hair probably breaks down and stops growing too. Its not necessarily male pattern baldness...its being really f*****g old haha

 

[abcdefg]

Do they get mature hair lines if so what would caused that?

 

[Bryan]

Do they get mature hair lines if so what would caused that?

A eunuch who is in otherwise normal health? I doubt it...

 

[abcdefg]

Next question. Is there a direct correlation between facial hair/body hair amounts, density and testosterone/DHT levels? Seems not that hard to study this but it seems hard to find real information on this. It surely seems that way from what I notice just in guys I see. Men I see with zero hair loss in late ages have zero facial hair probably body hair also.
Why do women who presumably have high estrogen and low androgens still get leg hair to the point they need to shave but they do not get chest hair or facial hair? What is the difference between different spots on the body is leg hair then controlled differently then facial/chest hair?

 

[Chris87]

Next question. Is there a direct correlation between facial hair/body hair amounts, density and testosterone/DHT levels? Seems not that hard to study this but it seems hard to find real information on this. It surely seems that way from what I notice just in guys I see. Men I see with zero hair loss in late ages have zero facial hair probably body hair also.
Why do women who presumably have high estrogen and low androgens still get leg hair to the point they need to shave but they do not get chest hair or facial hair? What is the difference between different spots on the body is leg hair then controlled differently then facial/chest hair?

George Clooney has perfect hair and also can have a full beard of facial hair. I'm 25 years old...can't grow even close to a full beard..only have to shave once a week..have no hair on my chest...no hair on my back..and I'm losing my hair. If you have the genes to go bald..its going to happen. Men who have the gene to go bald..even if they eliminate most of their DHT..eventually still at least thin out...where..men who don't have the gene, even with normal or high levels of dht...keep their hair into their 50s and 60s.

 

[abcdefg]

Not really what I am asking. I am asking is there a direct correlation between androgen levels and the amount of facial/body hair growth speed or density?
You might have very low DHT or testosterone and still lose hair its certainly possible if your hair is very sensitive I agree with that. Its not really what I wanted to know though.
If you remove all androgens you do not go bald at all period. Taking propecia or even dutasteride is not good enough things are not so simple. All of these are forms of male androgens that may or may not participate in hair loss. Until some way to remove all of these, block all receptor sites or something like that happens then yes you will still bald possibly.
Also of course genes are in it but androgens play a critical role its proven.

Testosterone is the most abundant of these steroid hormones but is not the most potent androgen.
Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is the most active form of androgens and most if not all of testosterone is eventually converted into DHT.
Androstenedione (andro) is produced by the testes, adrenal cortex and a small amount by the ovaries.
Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) is another prominent androgen secreted by the adrenal cortex.

 

[armandein]

My basic question is if a man was castrated or all androgens reduced to 0 before any hair loss at all could this man still go bald or have even slight temple recession ever in his life?
Are there any recent examples of living people like this or maybe guys with androgen insensitivity?

http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v120/ ... 3399a.html

The skin as an endocrine organ
http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articles/PMC2836429/?report=abstract

Sebocytes are the key regulators of androgen homeostasis in human skin.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11348472

Have sebum the eunuchs? have operative sevaceous glands these persons? have a healty hair (with the proper sebum)?

Eunuchs don`t go bald is very simple to say, like: women don't go bald. It is not real 100%

 

[Bryan]

Have sebum the eunuchs? have operative sevaceous glands these persons? have a healty hair (with the proper sebum)?

1) Eunuchs produce sebum, but not as much as normal males.

2) Yes, eunuchs have operative sebaceous glands.

3) I don't think sebum has any effect on hair follicles.