Copper Peptide Dependancy

[Bryan]

That graph is one of the tihngs that convinced me to start minoxidil, actually. Knowing that the "mother of all sheds" you get once quitting eventually returns to normal, is comforting i must say.

Yes. It supports the "offset of growth" theory. You start using minoxidil, it gives you an offset. You stop using minoxidil, the offset goes away. You start using it again later (as "College" has described), the offset comes back again. And so on and so on...

Bryan

 

[htownballa]

college and bryan, do u guys think copper peptides behave similarily to minoxidil in the sense that once u stop u wud lose a lot of hairs? ie the graph would plummet down?

it seems to me it wudnt because copper peptides are primarily antioxidants, anti-inflammatories...so its not creating a dependent hair

Im asking this because im considering adding CPs to my regimen, but dont want to be committed to them for life like i wud be with minoxidil

 

[Bryan]

there is not a big difference between the 5% and the 2%. I wonder if 5% once a day is as good as 2% twice a day.

They're probably about the same. The single dose of 5% has a little more minoxidil than two doses of 2%, but spreading-out the 2% doses 12 hours apart probably makes up for that.

and bryan, as for my implying the hairs change cycle to cycle, they won't shrink in the middle of anagen. not possible. they can grow slower, or get thinner at the base, or according to that graph, fall out, and the new hair grows in smaller. so because the timing of the cycle depends on the minoxidil, the hair does change from that cycle to the next.

Why don't you think it's possible that they can shrink in the middle of anagen?

Bryan

 

[CCS]

the diameter can shrink. the length can't. the hair can't get sucked back into the follicle.

 

[Bryan]

Im asking this because im considering adding CPs to my regimen, but dont want to be committed to them for life like i wud be with minoxidil

I'm very puzzled by that remark. Surely you don't think that you could use copper-peptides for only a certain period of time, then stop using them altogether, and then expect the benefits that you accrued to be PERMANENT, do you?

Bryan

 

[Bryan]

the diameter can shrink. the length can't. the hair can't get sucked back into the follicle.

Ok. Obviously, I was referring to the diameter! :wink:

I asked because over the years, I've seen people make the peculiar assumption that hairs only miniaturize (or enlarge in response to treatment) only with the start of the next cycle. I can't think of any a priori reason to make that assumption, so I've become a bit sensitive to any hint or suggestion from anyone who seems to be implying that.

Bryan

 

[htownballa]

Im asking this because im considering adding CPs to my regimen, but dont want to be committed to them for life like i wud be with minoxidil

I'm very puzzled by that remark. Surely you don't think that you could use copper-peptides for only a certain period of time, then stop using them altogether, and then expect the benefits that you accrued to be PERMANENT, do you?

Bryan

No, what I meant was that if I WASNT seeing any noticeable impact would it be safe for me to stop their use. If I was using minoxidil, I would be scared to stop once I started even if I didn't notice an immediate effect due to the monster shed it generates, dropping you below baseline.

I know I'm not being clear, but I was under the impression that minoxidil creates "dependent" hairs, while CPs work by creating a better scalp environment. So if I stopped the CPs I would not necessarily shed hairs immediately because my hairs aren't dependent on CPs for keeping them alive, but just benefitted from CPs anti-ox anti-inf properties.

 

[Bryan]

No, what I meant was that if I WASNT seeing any noticeable impact would it be safe for me to stop their use. If I was using minoxidil, I would be scared to stop once I started even if I didn't notice an immediate effect due to the monster shed it generates, dropping you below baseline.

I wouldn't worry about that, even with minoxidil. If you don't get any kind of effect at all from using minoxidil, I wouldn't expect anything bad to happen when you discontinue it.

I know I'm not being clear, but I was under the impression that minoxidil creates "dependent" hairs, while CPs work by creating a better scalp environment. So if I stopped the CPs I would not necessarily shed hairs immediately because my hairs aren't dependent on CPs for keeping them alive, but just benefitted from CPs anti-ox anti-inf properties.

That sounds reasonable. The timing is probably different between minoxidil and CPs. Maybe considerably different.

Bryan

 

[powersam]

yeah bryan is always quick on the draw with the graphs. actually just thinking about it now has kinda made up my mind as i was not too sure about starting minoxidil yet. now i need to decide which one is most worth it, some say just straight 5%, some say spectral dnc etc.. so many choices.

 

[CCS]

yeah, I'm going to dilute my 5% with 70% isopropyl alcohol. The revivogen 2 oz vials look tempting. i would not buy the shampoo though.



edit: i think isopropyl alcohol is bad because it is toxic. It is better to buy SD-40B ethyl alcohol from a perfumer web site. But maybe I should just use 5% minoxidil once a day instead of 2.5% twice a day, and put less stuff on my head, especially since I will be using spironolactone.

 

[CCS]

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/finasteride-minoxidil.htm

bryan,

the first graph shows finasteride regrowing more hair than minoxidil, at least in teh short run. I thought there were studies that showed minoxidil regrow more hair than fiansteride. I'm confused now.