Circled hairs ?

[VL12]

Hi Guys,

Just want to get an info on shedding hairs from the scalp..Age 27.. I visited a doctor (Dermatologist) for my hair loss problem (facing last 3 months after coming to new location for job change) and has been diagnosed with Androgenetic Alopecia.
He didnt even tell me that this the Androgenetic Alopecia (Pattern hair loss) and just seen my crown for a sec and started to write the prescription.. In the prescription, there was 5% minoxidil and 10mg biotin (trichoton forte) daily.. I am not blaming the derm, but in India it seems if a person is losing his hair, all doctors just straightly start prescribing the minoxidil/finasteride/caffeine shampoo...Its seems even if a person with nutritional deficiency with hair loss goes to doctor means, always the prescription will be minoxidil/etc... I was just only taking 10mg biotin daily for last month.. it seems the amount of shedding reduced but now a days shedding more thin/weak/short hairs with 2-3 cm in length along with some thick/long hairs also..may be 30 hairs per day...
I know that i was carrying the bald gene as my mom is having very less hair and both grandfathers are bald early... My father is the only person who still having head full of hair (Age - 56)... Below are my questions.. My current situation - No noticeable bald spots,no receding and scalp is not visible.. but definitely hair density reduced in last 3 months (kind of diffuse as hair is shedding from all over the scalp sides/back/front/top)... Hair loss per day before biotin- approx 30-40.. After biotin - 20-30... I am counting almost every hair i shed in bathroom/bed/pillow/floor/desk in office/after combing,etc..

1. Is it normal to shed very thin hairs after starting biotin (kind of initial shedding when we take finasteride/minoxidil) ? Because i think biotin is definitely working for me.. increased nail growth within 15 days...And i read smokers are generally biotin deficient.. I smoke too (6-8) per day...I am trying to quit..
2. Is it normal to shed hair in circular shape.. i am not saying about circular bald patch in the head.. when our hair falls in the floor and if it looks like a exact circle (small sized hairs like a circle with 3cm as radius).. One of my friend said that if we start losing hair in a circular shape, its a very bad sign.. is it like that ? - I am not getting any clue about this in the internet,....
3. Can i start minoxidil ? i didnt start yet and scared about initial shed.. also, even if i am not balding (just a hope) is it OK to take minoxidil for life time?.. I mean to ask.. if a non-balding person takes minoxidil, what will happen ?

Please give your valuable replies.. Thanks much ..

 

[TD500]

1. Losing thin/weak hairs is a common sign of male pattern baldness. Look up minaturization.

2. No idea what your talking about

3. Yes, but if you have male pattern baldness it will do nothing to stop the DHT attacking your hair.

 

[VL12]

Thanks TD500 for the reply.. Regarding the second question.. i too felt weird when my friend told this.. i am not sure how to explain it clearly.. for example, if you comb your hair with you head down in a white paper, the hair which is fall off, if it looks like a exact circle/round shaped.. is it a bad thing ? or you ever seen your shed hair in this shape?

 

[VL12]

@Revitalize.. Any idea on my second question ?

 

[TD500]

Whats so funny about that? Have you seen Fidus regrowth? Fools like you only follow authority, who spend money on finasteride to get man boobs, whilst delaying real cures. Big pharma love people like you who can supply you sugar pills in exchange for your hard earned cash, that way it makes no sense to spend money on research.

Anyways

Coal tar - makes the scalp photosensitive
Laser comb - supplies uv rays to scalp
thyme oil oral - has potent anti-inflammation action

You authority clown

Man I must have really made you mad for you to follow me around neg repping me.

 

[TD500]

and you are of the snake oil generation. You probably have hot and cold showers thinking it will help your hair loss, not to forget searching for snake oil on the net everyday (lol).

You have to stop spouting nonsense (your opinion) without sources and its people like you that make things more complicated than it already is...

Understandable. I would suggest shampoo with coal tar, laser combing and thyme oil. But consult your doctor beforehand.

Alright I had my fun playing with this idiot, on ignore you go.

Sorry VL for derailing your thread.

 

[VL12]

Thanks a lot guys.. Just bumping for any other comments/suggestions from anyone else.. Thanks

 

[jbrog1987]

I know exactly what you mean. I'm black so my hair is already somewhat circular when it comes out but when I comb through my head I have tons of small/weak/puny "C" shaped or circular hairs raining from my scalp lol. Don't know if this is the weak hairs being shed naturally to be replaced by stronger hairs (been on finasteride for a little over a month) or just simply miniaturized hairs being shed as part of the normal shedding cycle. For what it's worth most of the hairs that fall are weak miniaturized hairs and not full length terminal hairs and I got a nice mini fro going on.

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TD500, you're still stuck in the old century in terms of hair loss research. Latest research shows DHT is important for the body and that PGD2 (after DHT) is the problem. Show me proof that DHT explicitly 'attacks your hair'. My understanding is the immune system attacks the DHT on the scalp causing inflammation which causes hair loss.

I do believe that may be the primary mechanism behind male pattern baldness (my first thread was about this) but I believe you still need to block DHT to reduce the signal your immune system receives to start attacking the follicles (or as yo say, attacking the DHT).

 

[Dazzel]

Technically DHT is the primary mechanism behind male pattern baldness, yes. However...

You need to inhibit PGD2 which is a byproduct of DHT if I'm not mistaken. Inhibiting DHT altogether is unhealthy for the body as the DHT hormone is responsible for many bodily functions and PGD2 is responsible for stopping hair growth as far as latest research is concerned. Please don't get confused like TD500 and many others; DHT is a very important hormone, which silly people like TD500 assume it's some sort of virus and it does nothing good for your body and makes your hair fall out. That's why you get side-effects when altogether inhibiting DHT because technically you're disabling your body from functioning properly.

This is why Setipiprant is so promising as it does not inhibit DHT only the PGD2 byproduct of DHT and lets DHT get on with its other functions which should hopefully eliminate side-effects

Yeah when you are going through puberty it is, after it's useless, It is testosterone that you really need not DHT, all DHT does is cause hair loss if have the genetics and are sensitive to it and for sexual organs other than that you arn't going to drop down dead even without T

 

[jbrog1987]

Technically DHT is the primary mechanism behind male pattern baldness, yes. However...

You need to inhibit PGD2 which is a byproduct of DHT if I'm not mistaken. Inhibiting DHT altogether is unhealthy for the body as the DHT hormone is responsible for many bodily functions and PGD2 is responsible for stopping hair growth as far as latest research is concerned. Please don't get confused like TD500 and many others; DHT is a very important hormone, which silly people like TD500 assume it's some sort of virus and it does nothing good for your body and makes your hair fall out. That's why you get side-effects when altogether inhibiting DHT because technically you're disabling your body from functioning properly.

This is why Setipiprant is so promising as it does not inhibit DHT only the PGD2 byproduct of DHT and lets DHT get on with its other functions which should hopefully eliminate side-effects

Honestly I think if the PGD2 treatments prove to be effective I wouldn't be surprised if you still have a sort of leaky bucket syndrome if you don't eliminate or at least reduce the amount of DHT coursing through your veins or on the scalp. But maybe the treatments could be supremely effective and will side step the effects of DHT making DHT inhibition unnecessary. We'll see but i'm not convinced given the failed treatments over the last decade or two.

 

[VL12]

I know exactly what you mean. I'm black so my hair is already somewhat circular when it comes out but when I comb through my head I have tons of small/weak/puny "C" shaped or circular hairs raining from my scalp lol. Don't know if this is the weak hairs being shed naturally to be replaced by stronger hairs (been on finasteride for a little over a month) or just simply miniaturized hairs being shed as part of the normal shedding cycle. For what it's worth most of the hairs that fall are weak miniaturized hairs and not full length terminal hairs and I got a nice mini fro going on.

Yes exactly.. you got it.. but i am bit confused about shedding thin/weak hairs after biotin.. Some says (in the internet) shedding after treatment is a good sign that means the treatment is working.. but some says shedding thin hairs is a common sign of Androgenetic Alopecia... Also, i am 100% sure that the thin/weak hairs shedding started after taking biotin.. before taking biotin, no thin hairs shedding.. all i shed are healthy hairs... now the thick hair shedding is reduced but shedding more thin hairs.. also i have read it may be due to excessive biotin.. i have been taking 10mg per day... so just curios to know that anyone suffered from the same problem ? Shedding thin/weak/short after taking biotin? Please help...
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