CCS

[HARM1]

do you stand behing what you said aboud finasteride side effects :

1. They are not caused by a lack of DHT. You don't need any DHT from 5ar2.

2. Somehow finasteride reduces your bodies ability to make arginine, or convert other amino acids into arginine (I thought arginine was an essential amino acid anyway???). Arginine is needed to make NO, which is not only good for fighting hair loss, but also is needed to get errections. Do fight errectile propblems, supplement with arginine. I recommend you get your arginine from soy protein because it is better absorbed, is very cheap, and has those good chemicals you just menstioned, and flura in your intestine can make EQOUL from it in the presence of green tea stuff, and the EQOUL binds with DHT so it can't bind with androgen receptors. It is not absorbed very well, but eating meat at the same time ups production by 5x.

Firs of all tell number 1 to the guys who are born with 5ar2 and hald fucked up penises.
and what does it mean " Somehow finasteride reduces your bodies ability to make arginine, or convert other amino acids into argini" - Where is tis said? and you really don't think that DHT is a has an importent roll in a mans sex life?
You say i should just get arginine and my erections will be back to normal?

 

[Felk]

The libido/erection enhancing effect of arginine is apparently only a short term effect, in that if you take it regularly it will most likely wear off. So i don't see how simply taking arginine will fix the problem.

Anyway, it's probably psychological or temporary. I know that doesnt make it any easier, but i'd say please give it more time. If you really need to bone, get some arginine. If that doesnt work (taking sometihng might overcome the psychological factor anyway, like a placebo) get something like v**** I guess to use in the short term.

 

[HARM1]

The libido/erection enhancing effect of arginine is apparently only a short term effect, in that if you take it regularly it will most likely wear off. So i don't see how simply taking arginine will fix the problem.

Anyway, it's probably psychological or temporary. I know that doesnt make it any easier, but i'd say please give it more time. If you really need to bone, get some arginine. If that doesnt work (taking sometihng might overcome the psychological factor anyway, like a placebo) get something like v**** I guess to use in the short term.

Hi mate!
I'm not imagining stuff, I promise.
Then what ccs wrote is wrong? side efects, are, due to lack ofDHT?

 

[Felk]

I don't know what causes the side effects, I just know that Bryan posted that unlike the other many effects of l-arginine, the libido enhancing effect is one you will most likely develop a "tolerance" to.

I don't mean you're "imagining stuff" Hey, i can't tell if my less strong erections are psychological or not, the placebo effect is too complex!

 

[CCS]

harm1,

I said someone said this, and I passed it on as a possible cure, but I distintly pointed out that since arginine is an essential fatty acid, meaning the body can't make it, then I wonder how the body could make arginine even without finasteride, bringing the poster into question. I was just passing on a hopeful solution, and if it does not work for you, your finasteride can be out of your system in 24 hours, though I think you are being a big baby if you get off finasteride that fast over the abscence of an erection, unless you have a girlfriend right now and it is keeping the two of you from having sex. Since a lot of guys on here don't have girlfriends, temporarily having side effects is not an issue. and if they remain after you get off, then you can't blame the finasteride. It would just be psychological in that case.

since avodart has a very low side effect profile, and some people have androgen insensitivity and others are born without 5ar2, it would seem that the vast majority of men don't need DHT, and the few men who get side effects may be getting it from something else, since there are just as many of them as men on placebo with side effects. If DHT were the issue, I would think Avodart would have more side effects. Not only is it about the same, but some people who get side effects on finasteride do not get them on avodart, and vise versa. That should tell you something loud and clear.

still think it is the DHT? so do the guys in the placebo group. I'm taking avodart 7 or 8 times a day and eating grapefruit, which greatly reduces the liver's ability to metabolize finasteride or dutasteride, so my blood levels climb higher. I'm also taking finasteride every day, 1.25 mg. Been doing 3-4x a week for a month and 7+ x for a week. No side effects for me. I just got done masterbating. Nice and hard. So I don't know why you can't handle finasteride.

if you are not yet sexually developed, you should stay off it. otherwise, I don't see the big deal.

 

[Thinning]

Arginine helps promote NO, but if you use it all the time its effects wane. I know because I use it to train sometimes. When I first start using it and I get a hard on, you could hang a wet towel on it the erection is so strong. After a few weeks its back to normal. Same with the pumps at the gym. At first I get so pumped it feels like my muscles are going to tear out of my skin. After a few weeks, its barely noticable. When I stop, I cant even tell that I stopped. But when I start again, the pumps are insane.

I would not suggest using Arginine for weeks at a time, I would say, 4 weeks on, 2-6 weeks off.

AAKG is much stronger than L-Arginine BTW mg per mg.

 

[HARM1]

harm1,



since avodart has a very low side effect profile, and some people have androgen insensiytivit and others are born without 5ar2, it would seem that the vast majority of men don't need DHT, and the few men who get side effects may be getting it from something else, since there are just as many of them as men on placebo with side effects. If DHT were the issue, I would think Avodart would have more side effects. Not only is it about the same, but some people who get side effects on finasteride do not get them on avodart, and vise versa. That should tell you something loud and clear.



.

DID you ever see how theirs penis looks? men do need DHT. for sebum, for sexual development and much more. I bet that those people with androgen insensiytivit and the guys with no 5ar2 have meny problems.

 

[Felk]

It's important in sexual development, we believe, but it's not thought to be important after normal sexual development has finished. That's why people can only take it after they're 18 or so.

 

[Renegade]

"essential fatty acid" Not to get into an argument w/ the big cats, but I thought arginine was an AMINO acid.

 

[CCS]

harm1, since you said you are not fully developed, it may be wise not to be on finasteride. I know i'm not gettting any bigger, though.