Cassin

[JWM]

What are your thoughts on the foam vs. liquid? Do you feel the liquid is superior in effectiveness?

 

[Cassin]

What are your thoughts on the foam vs. liquid? Do you feel the liquid is superior in effectiveness?

Well it depends...what kind of liquid? Standard Rogaine off the shelf stuff or something like Dr Lees?

 

[JWM]

Hmmm...well I guess either or.

 

[Cassin]

Just my opinions here...

I think off the shelf liquid rogaine is garbage. It takes hours to dry and the ppg is an irritant. I hate that stuff.

There is a study out there somewhere that states the higher the alcohol the better and Dr Lees item #500 has far more than regular off the shelf rogaine and dries in minutes, low PPG so that itself alludes to Dr Lees being a superior product.

Versa foam which is the delivery system for the minoxidil in rogaine foam is supposed to be the best there is based on a few claims I read in write ups. Plus the stuff is a non irritant and dries instantly.

So with that in mind which is better rogaine foam or Dr Lees item #500? I have no idea...thats one reason why I use both.

I just switch between the two randomly.

 

[Dogs3]

i cant really recall but i THOUGHT i read somewhere that bryan says that he feels dr lees standard minoxidil is inferior due to the less ppg content..I think it was along the lines of the fact that it dries so quickly that it doesnt absorb as well...if im wrong about this correct me, but i thought he or H/B it could have been, mentioned this

 

[kadosh]

i cant really recall but i THOUGHT i read somewhere that bryan says that he feels dr lees standard minoxidil is inferior due to the less ppg content..I think it was along the lines of the fact that it dries so quickly that it doesnt absorb as well...if im wrong about this correct me, but i thought he or H/B it could have been, mentioned this

i think he said that alcohol is a better vehicle than ppg but it dries faster in oppose to ppg that last longer on the skin so there is some kind of trade off here .

 

[JWM]

I will say this: When Dr. Lee's dries it always leaves a white residue in my hair. I asked Dr. Lee about this and he said the white powder was left over minoxidil.

When using Kirkland's I never had any white residue. It makes me wonder which one is actually being absorbed most efficiently.

 

[FreeloaderUK]

i use kirkland & I do get the white residue but I do use quite a bit more than 2ml of it a day.

 

[Dogs3]

It seems to me one reason the liquid works better is due to the PPG content. I have read some theories that it is partially responsible for the hair growth that people achieve.

That's what Dr. Proctor used to say for years over on alt.baldspot, that the propylene glycol in Rogaine accounts for about HALF of the results. Personally, I'm not quite sure what to think about that...

I just found this in another thread, i guess ppg is important, but i wonder if higher ppg= better results?

 

[gjp2222]

It seems to me one reason the liquid works better is due to the PPG content. I have read some theories that it is partially responsible for the hair growth that people achieve.

That's what Dr. Proctor used to say for years over on alt.baldspot, that the propylene glycol in Rogaine accounts for about HALF of the results. Personally, I'm not quite sure what to think about that...

I just found this in another thread, i guess ppg is important, but i wonder if higher ppg= better results?

Yes, it is important, in many ways, but as with everything, you get to the point of diminishing returns, ie more does not equate to better results and may actually prove conterproductive when take to an extreme.

I am sure a great deal of experimentation went into the exact ratio of PPG , alcohol and water in the original Rogaine formulas. I believe the current ratio provides the highest level of efficacy while attempting to minimize the detrimental effects of ingredients.

 

[gjp2222]

I will say this: When Dr. Lee's dries it always leaves a white residue in my hair. I asked Dr. Lee about this and he said the white powder was left over minoxidil.

When using Kirkland's I never had any white residue. It makes me wonder which one is actually being absorbed most efficiently.

You have an excellent point, and one shared by many posters on various forums, minoxidil residue. This is common place with formulas that seek to minimize the ratio of PPG while increasing alcohol in order to provide a more user friendly solution. If the minoxidil is sitting on your scalp it is not doing its work in the hair follicle.

What bothers me the most is that none of these so-called user friendly versions have been tested. NO hair count studies, for the exception of 5% Rogaine Foam, which we all know was shown not to be as effective as even a 2% Minoxidil solution!

Technically, these products should not even be advertised as being able to "grow hair" unless they follow the approved formula exactly and are classified as FDA generics.

A number of these products deviate from the approved ratio of ingredients or actually substitute other ingredients to make a more saleable product, either by stating it is more cosmetically elegant or more effective! Vendors have no way of proving this since no approved trials have been made, so all buyer must beware!