Can you grow your hair long ?

[freakofnature23]

u have discourage me exvee ! lol thxx alot .

 

[eXVee]

Lol. Sorry.

When it's gone, it's gone, but as long as you still have decent hair, you're better of enjoying it then worrying about a future without it. Just keep it realistic.

 

[freakofnature23]

theres ways i can get it regrowing no or thicken it back up ? ..finasteride might be able to ?

 

[ali777]

The problem of thinning guys growing their hair out is that the sides are normally thicker than the top is, so it puffs out....not a good luck. Freakofnature, best way to find out is to grow it, it will become evident if you can't pull it off.

This post sums it up.

I go through cycles. The first week after a haircut, I don't like my hair much. Then for the next two weeks, I'm all happy and I start thinking that maybe I could let my hair grow a bit. The fourth week, the sides just get too thick and I hate that look. In all, my haircut cycle is 1 month... I get a haircut every 4-5 weeks. There is no way I can grow my hair long again, those days are gone :sobbing:

 

[follicle84]

Enjoy your hair whilst you still can. It takes an average person 20 years to go bald. Make the most of it and do what you want with it. I personally think there's still hope for you growing long hair providing your hairloss aint to aggressive. I speak from seeing freinds in the same situation as you. As for minoxidil i still think 2% is risk free. I have used it and gained slight regrowth. However only 5% or more will yeild worthy results.

 

[SE-freak]

As for minoxidil i still think 2% is risk free.

Define "risk free" please.

 

[SE-freak]

Freak, grow your hair long and find out how it looks. It's the only way, and yes finasteride can thicken it up noticeably.

 

[follicle84]

Much less shedding (if any) and scalp irritation, which can mess up your hair and make it look worse etc. Minoxidl will only work for some people and if finasteride doesnt stop the initital hairloss then the shedding induced by it could make you lose even more hair. Not to mention any new hair gained from minoxidil will be dependant on minoxidil not finasteride, so the moment you stop using it, you lose that hair.

 

[SE-freak]

Much less shedding (if any)

The less you shed, the less results. When a follicle is signaled to increase in size due to a stimulant it will shed. Is that bad? hair loss treatments need perspective, if you cannot wait a few months then use topique.

and scalp irritation,

Scalp irritation is due to PPG not the active ingredient, so not true that 2% means less irritation.

which can mess up your hair and make it look worse etc.

Shedding now, means your follicles shed to increase in size, so in 2 months time it will make your hair look better. If you do not respond you will not shed. According to you, the less you respond the better. Not a valid approach to treatments. If you mean that irritation will make your hair look worse, I cannot see why, especially while using nizoral and you do not overdo it with minoxidil dosage.

Minoxidl will only work for some people

As every single treatment...

and if finasteride doesnt stop the initital hairloss then the shedding induced by it could make you lose even more hair.

What??? That is totally unsolicited. This statement is false in at least 2 different ways. Stop misinforming people. finasteride working or not is totally irrelevant, minoxidil works providing an extra offset of hair even if you do not use an inhibitor. Consider minoxidil as a natural wig, an offset of hair that you keep as long as you use it. Extra hair.

Not to mention any new hair gained from minoxidil will be dependant on minoxidil not finasteride, so the moment you stop using it, you lose that hair.

Yes, extra hair due to minoxidil will stop being there when you stop using minoxidil. So? Your muscles are dependant on exercise, your teeth to brushing and flossing. If you want improvement you usually have to depend on a specific routine. So you are phrasing the self-evident.

 

[CCS]

I don't think I can. I tried once. My hair was gradually getting longer each month, but it seemed to have diminishing returns as I approached month 6. Maybe I went longer. I got to maybe 5 inches or so. I forget. It was a long time ago. But the tangles were not worth it. Fact is long hair on a NW3 just does not look Fabio. So I cut it.

I heard it takes years to get to shoulder length, even for normal people. That is why women get really upset if you cut their hair.

 

[SE-freak]

I heard it takes years to get to shoulder length, even for normal people. That is why women get really upset if you cut their hair.

It took me 1 and a half years to reach shoulder length starting with buzzcut.

 

[follicle84]

Much less shedding (if any)

The less you shed, the less results. When a follicle is signaled to increase in size due to a stimulant it will shed. Is that bad? hair loss treatments need perspective, if you cannot wait a few months then use topique.

and scalp irritation,

Scalp irritation is due to PPG not the active ingredient, so not true that 2% means less irritation.

[quote:3izd5c41]which can mess up your hair and make it look worse etc.

Shedding now, means your follicles shed to increase in size, so in 2 months time it will make your hair look better. If you do not respond you will not shed. According to you, the less you respond the better. Not a valid approach to treatments. If you mean that irritation will make your hair look worse, I cannot see why, especially while using nizoral and you do not overdo it with minoxidil dosage.

Minoxidl will only work for some people

As every single treatment...

and if finasteride doesnt stop the initital hairloss then the shedding induced by it could make you lose even more hair.

What??? That is totally unsolicited. This statement is false in at least 2 different ways. Stop misinforming people. finasteride working or not is totally irrelevant, minoxidil works providing an extra offset of hair even if you do not use an inhibitor. Consider minoxidil as a natural wig, an offset of hair that you keep as long as you use it. Extra hair.

Not to mention any new hair gained from minoxidil will be dependant on minoxidil not finasteride, so the moment you stop using it, you lose that hair.

Yes, extra hair due to minoxidil will stop being there when you stop using minoxidil. So? Your muscles are dependant on exercise, your teeth to brushing and flossing. If you want improvement you usually have to depend on a specific routine. So you are phrasing the self-evident.[/quote:3izd5c41]

The less you shed, the less results. When a follicle is signaled to increase in size due to a stimulant it will shed. Is that bad? hair loss treatments need perspective, if you cannot wait a few months then use topique.

Yes i know this, Duh. If minoxidil doesnt work for you, the shedding can make you lose more ground quickly providing your not responding to finasteride. So each time you shed due to the minoxidil your hair wont grow back as good and it could in fact make you lose your hair more quickly than previously due to more shedding. If treatments dont work then shedding is the last thing you want as each time you shed the hair will grow back smaller. That is what i meant by risk. Have your read other users posts about them losing more hair thanks to minoxidil. At least with a lower dose and the treatment doesnt work you wont be at risk from losing your hair as much.

Scalp irritation is due to PPG not the active ingredient, so not true that 2% means less irritation.

I know scalp flaking is due to ppg, your correct. You can get minoxidil without ppg known as xandrox non ppg with alzelaic acid. I have used various minoxidil types including this one. I can tell you they all irritated my scalp. Xandrox made my scalp itch but not flake. 2% minoxidil irritated my scalp like 5% but 5% was a little worse. Perhaps it could be down to dosing but this was my experience. The ppg by the way damages the scalp, which could make minoxidil counter productive depending on how effective the minoxidil is in treating your hairloss.

Shedding now, means your follicles shed to increase in size, so in 2 months time it will make your hair look better. If you do not respond you will not shed. According to you, the less you respond the better. Not a valid approach to treatments. If you mean that irritation will make your hair look worse, I cannot see why, especially while using nizoral and you do not overdo it with minoxidil dosage.

If you paid attention to the guys statement he wants to grow his hair long. Shedding loads wont be good if he wants to grow his hair long as it will all be at different lengths making it look odd, regardless of whether his hair thickens up from using both treatments. Nizoral by the way didnt completelly stop my scalp irritation.

Its true that if you dont respond, you wont shed. However say you respond but its not effective enough to give you the regrowth expected. It may be slowing your hairloss down by overiding dht, but due to the increased hair cyles you go through it may actually be causing you to lose hair more quickly. Since each time you shed DHT will have shrunken the follicles each time. On the otherhand if you didnt take treatment. The dht would damage your hair more since theirs nothing to fight it or overide it. However because the shedding will take longer to occur the damage wont be noticed until much later. Meaning you will have your hair longer even than its been badly attacked by dht. Futhermore the scalp irritation you can get from the ppg could cause you to shed and lose hair regardless of whether the treatment does or doesn't respond, as this would be a separate reaction from the minoxidil caused by the ppg.

As every single treatment...

I just dont want to get the guys hopes up, since propecia is very promising in comparison to minoxidil.

What??? That is totally unsolicited. This statement is false in at least 2 different ways. Stop misinforming people. finasteride working or not is totally irrelevant, minoxidil works providing an extra offset of hair even if you do not use an inhibitor. Consider minoxidil as a natural wig, an offset of hair that you keep as long as you use it. Extra hair.

They work in completelly different ways i know and they arent dependant on each other. What i meant was if nothing can hold the dht from destroying your hair and minoxidil doesnt work well enough then it could make you lose even more hair not would. Regardless of using finasteride or not, if minoxidil doesnt work well enough then the shedding it induces wont be good for your hair

Yes, extra hair due to minoxidil will stop being there when you stop using minoxidil. So? Your muscles are dependant on exercise, your teeth to brushing and flossing. If you want improvement you usually have to depend on a specific routine. So you are phrasing the self-evident.

Okay just thought i'd mention that because some people actually think propecia will maintain hair gained from minoxidil, not knowing that the hair is dependant on minoxidil. Read some of the earlier posts on this forum.

 

[SE-freak]

Yes i know this, Duh. If minoxidil doesnt work for you, the shedding can make you lose more ground quickly providing your not responding to finasteride. So each time you shed due to the minoxidil your hair wont grow back as good and it could in fact make you lose your hair more quickly than previously due to more shedding. If treatments dont work then shedding is the last thing you want as each time you shed the hair will grow back smaller. That is what i meant by risk. Have your read other users posts about them losing more hair thanks to minoxidil. At least with a lower dose and the treatment doesnt work you wont be at risk from losing your hair as much.

Do not Duh me. If a stimulant does not stimulate, it will not cause shedding. (as you admit later on)

If you paid attention to the guys statement he wants to grow his hair long.

I paid very good attention. My post was a response to your barrage of inaccuracies.

Its true that if you dont respond, you wont shed. However say you respond but its not effective enough to give you the regrowth expected.

Any regrowth is a plus, I am sure many people here struggle for even minimal improvement.

It may be slowing your hairloss down by overiding dht, but due to the increased hair cyles you go through it may actually be causing you to lose hair more quickly.

Overiding dht? You mean minoxidil? Increased hair cycle (I guess you mean their number not duration)?? You admitted a while ago that if you do not respond you will not shed. Are you drunk?

Since each time you shed DHT will have shrunken the follicles each time. On the otherhand if you didnt take treatment. The dht would damage your hair more since theirs nothing to fight it or overide it.

I think you have totally misunderstood the mechanism of hair growth/hair loss. Minoxidil has nothing to do with dht, it does not override it, it just gets you hairier either you have male pattern baldness or not. Like I said before consider it a natural looking wig.

However because the shedding will take longer to occur the damage wont be noticed until much later. Meaning you will have your hair longer even than its been badly attacked by dht. Futhermore the scalp irritation you can get from the ppg could cause you to shed and lose hair regardless of whether the treatment does or doesn't respond, as this would be a separate reaction from the minoxidil caused by the ppg.

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I just dont want to get the guys hopes up, since propecia is very promising in comparison to minoxidil.

I would say minoxidil is much more impressive than propecia in the short term. He cannot know how he will respond unless he tries it, he also cannot know if long hair suits him unless he tries that too. Nothing to do with hope or not, he needs realistic advice and valid information, not hope adjustment.

They work in completelly different ways i know and they arent dependant on each other.

So how can minoxidil override dht?

Regardless of using finasteride or not, if minoxidil doesnt work well enough then the shedding it induces wont be good for your hair

Its true that if you dont respond, you wont shed.

By not well enough you mean, respond- just not impressively well I guess. If you respond even a little, there will be an inclination towards greater hair counts and greater hair shaft diameters. So... minoxidil will benefit you, will probably lead you through an unnoticeable shed and will keep the follicle in the anagen phase longer. Any + will leave you eventually at a better state than your baseline image. Continuous shedding cannot be due to a stimulant, unless you scare yourself on and off treatment and your follicle goes out of wack.

Okay just thought i'd mention that because some people actually think propecia will maintain hair gained from minoxidil, not knowing that the hair is dependant on minoxidil.

That is a valid statement and it is very useful that you mentioned it so that there will be no misunderstanding. Minoxidil is to be used for as long as you would like the extra hair it provides.

 

[follicle84]

Yes i know this, Duh. If minoxidil doesnt work for you, the shedding can make you lose more ground quickly providing your not responding to finasteride. So each time you shed due to the minoxidil your hair wont grow back as good and it could in fact make you lose your hair more quickly than previously due to more shedding. If treatments dont work then shedding is the last thing you want as each time you shed the hair will grow back smaller. That is what i meant by risk. Have your read other users posts about them losing more hair thanks to minoxidil. At least with a lower dose and the treatment doesnt work you wont be at risk from losing your hair as much.

Do not Duh me. If a stimulant does not stimulate, it will not cause shedding. (as you admit later on)

Sorry but what you said was common sense and didnt need explaining, of course a shed is needed to grow new hair. However the guys talking about growing his hair long so in this case the less sheds the better, as his hair will never reach that long if it is shedding frequently. Yes i do admit that if you dont respond you dont shed, but let's say you respond but not to the minoxidil but the delivery vehicle in which it is carried in (ppg). This would be a response but not to growing new hair but to the ppg which could harm your scalp. Anything that harms the scalp can't be good for your hair. When your scalp is too dry or damaged, you are prone to shedding, as this could be putting stress on the hair follicles. Inaddition there are some people who suffer adverse reactions to minoxidl and keep shedding too much to see the bennefits. This certainly would not be good for growing hair long. Perhaps some people have really sensitive scalps or alergic reactions and minoxidil shocks or stresses the scalp too much. In which case a lower dose like 2% may be the answer.

I've heard women arent meant to take more than 2% minoxidil as this would be overkill.

I paid very good attention. My post was a response to your barrage of inaccuracies.

I woudnt say inaccuracies just not fully explained. You did pay good attention just not to the whole point of the discussion. Instead you paid very good attention trying to correct me rather than focusing on the original discussion at hand. Like when i was talking about minoxidil messing his hair up, which you quoted and gave a different response too that didnt have anything to do with messing his hair up. I was reffering to it messing his hair up with sheds, which would be counter productive for growing long hair as it would just keep shedding too frequently

Any regrowth is a plus, I am sure many people here struggle for even minimal improvement.

I couldnt agree more. However if minoxidil works, but not to the point of regrowth the shedding it induces could acelerate the speed you lose it due to increased hair cycles. Providing it isnt strong enough to overide the effects dht has in miniturizing hairs on the scalp.

Overiding dht? You mean minoxidil? Increased hair cycle (I guess you mean their number not duration)?? You admitted a while ago that if you do not respond you will not shed. Are you drunk?

Yes i meant minoxidil. I can't possibly mean propecia as it reduces dht not overides it. Dht is what is reponsible for cause your hairs to shrink. Minoxidil overides the miniturizing effects dht on hair on the scalp were applied.

Indeed i meant the number of hair cycles would be increased not the duration. I thought that was obvious.

Am i drunk? no lol. I meant respond to regrowth. You can respond to minoxidil and not get the regrowth you were expecting and still shed.

I think you have totally misunderstood the mechanism of hair growth/hair loss. Minoxidil has nothing to do with dht, it does not override it, it just gets you hairier either you have male pattern baldness or not. Like I said before consider it a natural looking wig.

No perhaps you misunderstood my point or i havent explained it well enough. Minoxidil increases blood circulation to where ever it is applied. The result of which is increased hair diameter and growth, as you mentioned before. Dht is another story nothing to do with minoxidil, true. However when using it to treat male pattern baldness on the scalp it will struggle to do its job well if dht is counteracting its effects by shrinking the hair follicles on the scalp. That is why you might need to propecia to block some of the dht and enable minoxidil to take more effect.

Minoxidil on its own regardless of male pattern baldness will only develop peach fuzz on a bald area it is applied to. Only visible hairs are likelly to grow terminal when using minoxidil.

I would say minoxidil is much more impressive than propecia in the short term. He cannot know how he will respond unless he tries it, he also cannot know if long hair suits him unless he tries that too. Nothing to do with hope or not, he needs realistic advice and valid information, not hope adjustment.

I meant i dont want to mislead him into thinking that minoxidil will be as good as propecia. Sure in the short term, but in the long term no. The best results are usually from propecia when maintaining your hair. Your looking too deep into my wording and not seeing the message i am trying to convey.

So how can minoxidil override dht?

The increased blood circulation to the scalp from minoxidil will be increasing the size of hair shafts whilst dht will be trying to shrink it. Sometimes minoxidil can overide the effects of dht on scalp hair by increasing blood circulation to the scalp so dht's minuturizing effects arent able to take place onto the hair follicles due to the increased blood circulation which is stopping the hair from being minuturized despite dht still being active on the follicles.

Check this http://www.hairlosstalk.com/productreviews/men/minoxidil/index.htm

It states;

"Minoxidil is primarily used to stimulate hair growth. It is not the same as a DHT inhibitor like Propecia, and does not work to stop the causes of hair loss - only to override them."

One of those underlying cause's is DHT. Therefore it overides the effects of dht regarding hairloss, were applied.

By not well enough you mean, respond- just not impressively well I guess. If you respond even a little, there will be an inclination towards greater hair counts and greater hair shaft diameters. So... minoxidil will benefit you, will probably lead you through an unnoticeable shed and will keep the follicle in the anagen phase longer. Any + will leave you eventually at a better state than your baseline image. Continuous shedding cannot be due to a stimulant, unless you scare yourself on and off treatment and your follicle goes out of wack.

Exactly what i meant but to the point of not seeing any real regrowth. True, unless minoxidil isn't able to overide the effects of dht on the scalp and keep you from entering shedding cycles more frequently.

For some people they dont stop shedding for some reason and they havent messed about with stopping and starting minoxidil. Its mentioned by some of the users on this forum somewhere. Everyone's reactions are going to be different to various hairloss treatments, as our bodies are made differently from each other. Hence why some people dont respond to certain medicines and propecia is only 80% effective.

That is a valid statement and it is very useful that you mentioned it so that there will be no misunderstanding. Minoxidil is to be used for as long as you would like the extra hair it provides.

At least we can agree on something.

 

[freakofnature23]

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this is what my hair looks like is it possible?

 

[Night]

I'm a diffuse thinner and had shoulder length hair in oct, though i cut it then saw my hair was going down hill. No one noticed i was 'thinning' till someone sow me come out of the shower.

As for 'DHT hairs' growing slower, all my hair grew the same but my hair grows fast :stupid:

 

[freakofnature23]

how long after your grew your hair long did u cut it ??? did it look bad when it was wet ?

 

[Night]

I have always had my hair long, since i was 16 (22 now). I cut it in a normal haircut at 19.... grew it out again down to my shoulders then cut it again at 21. Then at 21 (MY 21ST birthday) I cut it into a buzz cut. Then I didn't cut it till oct (27th) . It was already down to my shoulders in ONE year (little longer). So when it was my 22nd birthday it was pretty long. I have a few pictures on my phone of my hair I might post one later if I find a good one.

It didn't look that bad, the hardest part was 'growing it' tbh. There is always a stage when growing out your hair that you can't really do much with it and when you have thinning hair it is horrible.

 

[freakofnature23]

did you take a look at my pics you think it ll look horrible if i try to grow it out ?

 

[Nighthair]

.... a lot of words....

Minoxidil has nothing to do with DHT. SE-freak is right.

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