Can someone help me with this study?

Hopeful62

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I've just been reading this study and just wanted to know if someone could clear it up for me.

Nutrition-endocrine interactions: Induction of reciprocal changes
in the 4- 5a-reduction of testosterone and the cytochrome
P-450-dependent oxidation of estradiol by dietary
macronutrients in man

The in vivo biotransformations of drugs known
to be metabolized by enzymes localized in the endoplasmic reticulum
of liver can be greatly altered by diet in humans, as we have
shown previously. Steroid hormones also are metabolized extensively
by hepatic microsomal enzymes; therefore, we examined
the possibility that testosterone and estradiol biotransformations,
as assessed with radiolabeled tracer methods, could be influenced
by dietary macronutrients. Normal males were fed a high-protein
diet for 2 weeks, followed by a high-carbohydrate diet for an additional
2 weeks. The A4-5a-reduction of testosterone was considerably
diminished, while the cytochrome P-450-dependent hydroxylation
of estradiol at the C2 position was substantially
enhanced during ingestion of the high-protein diet as compared
with the high-carbohydrate diet. These results indicate that dietary
macronutrients can significantly alter major metabolic pathways
for testosterone and estradiol in man. The mechanism by
which reciprocal changes in the A4-5a-reduction of testosterone
and the cytochrome P-450-mediated oxidation of estradiol are
produced by diet is not known. Similar changes in steroid A4-5areduction
and cytochrome P-450-dependent chemical oxidations
have been observed in circumstances in which the mixed-function
oxidase system in liver is induced by agents such as phenobarbital,
hexachlorobenzene, dioxin, and polyhalogenated biphenyls. Thus,
the alterations in steroid hormone metabolism produced by dietary
macronutrients in man mimic those that can be produced by
drugs and environmental chemicals.

The A4-5a-reductive metabolism of testosterone was measured
in all eight subjects by intravenous injection of a single
2.0-,ACi (1 Ci = 37 GBq) dose of [4-14C]testosterone (50 ,ACi/
mmol), followed by isolation and measurement of its radiolabeled
5a and 5,B metabolites excreted in urine as described (34,
35). This technique has been applied extensively to the study
of steroid A4-5a-reductase activity in man and permits quantitation
of this metabolic pathway for steroid substrates of appropriate
structure


Just for clarity, although its showing up as A4-5a-reductase, in the article its delta4. So my question is whether this delta4-5a-reductase is the same 5a-reductase that turns testosterone into DHT. The study found a 50% increase in the delta4-5a-reductase activity when switched from a high-protein diet (44% calories from protein, 35% from carbs) to a high-carbohydrate diet (70% calories from carbs, 10% from protein). So does a high-protein diet lower DHT? Perhaps someone with a little more of a scientific background can analyze this better for me. Thanks.
 

vauxall

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Hopeful62 said:
So my question is whether this delta4-5a-reductase is the same 5a-reductase that turns testosterone into DHT?
Yes, it's the same enzyme

Hopeful62 said:
The study found a 50% increase in the delta4-5a-reductase activity when switched from a high-protein diet (44% calories from protein, 35% from carbs) to a high-carbohydrate diet (70% calories from carbs, 10% from protein). So does a high-protein diet lower DHT? Perhaps someone with a little more of a scientific background can analyze this better for me. Thanks.

I would be a bit cautios about it. The trial period was only two weeks. You want to test this over a longer period of time. I tend to believe the opposite: in South East Asia they follow a high-carbohydrate diet and men over there have a much lower level of testosterone and DHt than in the West. Another thing to consider is the source of the proteins: animal, vegetable or marine?
 

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That's interesting :)

I don't have a scientific background really I have am relatively new to all this so I can't give much input other than saying my main focus diet wise is yes, towards fibre and protein and away from carbs and sugar. Fat seems relatively ok in small amounts.

I had no idea it might downregulate 5ar though!! I have been mainly considering insulin levels, fat production, and inflammation. Interesting study :)

It may vary depending on the exact people on it though, as apparently it's good to eat food correct for your "ancestral type" so some people could theoretically be fine on diets that others would struggle on. I've seen some evidence of this but again, too new to call it for certain :)
 

Hopeful62

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Thanks guys for the replys.

I agree that two weeks is a short period of time. And too bad I don't think the study provides the source of protein. In terms of men from South-East Asia, I know the isoflavones in soy have an inhibitory effect on dht, and I know in places like Japan soy is a regular part of their diet, perhaps that is why they have lower levels, not sure.

I've heard that a high-protein diet is supposed to help with acne, and since acne is related to dht as well, perhaps this could be the mechanism on how the diet helps.

I've just started a high-protein/moderate to low carb diet as well Hoppi, in order to lose some weight, I'll assess how it affects my hair while I'm on it :)
 

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Hopeful62 said:
I've heard that a high-protein diet is supposed to help with acne, and since acne is related to dht as well, perhaps this could be the mechanism on how the diet helps.

That's unlikely. A study just a few years ago found that Merck's experimental drug which is a potent 5a-reductase type 1 inhibitor (the type found in sebaceous glands) had no effect at all on the course of acne.
 

Brains Expel Hair

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Obviously this is a hoax cause as we all know, diet has no effect on anything that could potentially be related to hair.

Would be great to find out what sort of proteins and carbs they had these groups on. Also the body is pretty quick at responding to large changes in nutrients like this (2-3 days) but it doesn't start to fully adapt for 2-3 weeks so it would be interesting to see how their readings evolved over the 2 weeks of the switch.

Fun tip: extended consumption of a high protein diet is linked to a shrinking of the brain (methionine).
 

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Brains Expel Hair said:
Obviously this is a hoax cause as we all know, diet has no effect on anything that could potentially be related to hair.
Bold statement!

Brains Expel Hair said:
Extended consumption of a high protein diet is linked to a shrinking of the brain (methionine).
Can you quote one single medical study that proves your statement?
 

Brains Expel Hair

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vauxall said:
Can you quote one single medical study that proves your statement?

Do you fail this much at google?
 
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