BOSLEY (hair transplant)

[Knight Rider]

Anyone get any news on BOSLEY hair transplant? Was thinking of checking him out. Anyone had or heard of experiance with them. Have a consultation in about a week.

Best,
:hairy:

 

[s.a.f]

YOU REALLY SHOULD DO SOME RESEARCH !!
BOSLEY ARE TERRIBLE Cancel that appointment immeadiatly. :freaked2:

 

[jas000]

over advertised , way to expensive, their are alot more docs out there with great skill @ a reasonable price, research cole, armani, hasson

 

[hairtech]

Harris, Rose, Cooley, ********, and GHI also worth checking out. If you go to Bosley, make sure you consult with the physician, look at HIS book of pictures and results, not just the company "pictures" you see on the commercials. Then you decide how comfortable you are. Don't be "talked" into anything.

 

[Knight Rider]

Gee thanks for the heads up guys.

Have you guys heard anything about Dr. Rahal in Ottawa, Canada?

Best,

 

[hairtech]

I have heard of Rahal but I do not know anything about him. In light of you thinking about going to Bosley... most if not all posters here would rather you not go to a Bosley clinic. IMO I would ask you think about trying a private doctor. Like the ones mentioned in your thread. In fact, go to a Bosley consult AND go to a couple of private doctor consults just to see/hear/feel the difference.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Gee thanks for the heads up guys.

Have you guys heard anything about Dr. Rahal in Ottawa, Canada?

Best,

do a search for results of his or go over to hairlosshelp.com......a few rahal patients have pictures posted there,Rahal is considered among the top docs


just DONT go to bosley

 

[haleystudios]

yes... stay away from those butchers are MHR and BOSLEY
Dr. Armani and Hasson and Wong are among the best

 

[michael barry]

Bosley's management culture is to attempt to extract as much money from the patient as possible.


Back in the day you would be told "we cant put the grafts close together, or they will die, so we will space them wide, and you will have to have a second tranpslant to 'fill them in' ". The patient would also be sold a hairline that was too low intentionally, thus guaranteeing future surgeries as he receeded. Initially Bosley came out very much against finasteride and minoxidil upping the side-effect warnings and overemphasizing the side effects. When they realized that many more men would get surgery if they though that finas would end all further hairloss, their line of BS changed to "you'll not ever lose any more hair on finasteride, especially in the back" even though some men dont do well on finasteride and continue to lose hair, especially if they are older.


Bosley would sometimes put hair in places you asked them not to, usually too far forward on temples in an attempt to guarnantee more surgery. They would use too-big plugs up front if you didn't agree to this so you would have to conceal the plugs with a lower hairline later (putting the hairline down low where THEY wanted it). Ive read descriptions of all of this from posters since about 2002-2003 and from some back post reading from the nineties.


Bosley is trying to do better now, but some of the same upper management is full of the same people who crafted the earlier approaches in gouging money out of patients. Bosely used to pull a mind scam and a mood scam on would-be patients by having beautiful women work the office that would dismissively treat the men, while heaping praise upon the doctor. The "senior medical associate", who was no doctor would also pull a similar mood scam and act as if the "doctor" walked on water, so when the doctor came in to speak to the would-be patient, the patient had been psychologically beaten down to accepting any proscription the Doctor had for him. That diagnosis was to get an aggressive hairline in two or three planned surgeries that would put multiple donor scars in the back of the man's head (large donor scars also). It was all very well thought out and well done.


Bosley now goes after the "dumb" hair transplant market relying on infomercials. MHR uses much the same thing with ads in athletic magazines focusing on former athletes. Way back in the day, some of the mills were shown to use phoney before and after pictures of men with no hair transplants as the afters before head-shots of bald heads.


L.Lee Bosley is an awful man. The company's personality starts at the top. You are much better off going to a skilled individual doctor with some personal compassion and an experienced staff. Docs who have had transplant work themselves are especially attractive (Cooley, Harris, a few others) because they KNOW your concerns.



One of the biggest problems with Bosley is that they are a corporation now (bought out by Aderans), so money really is the thing. Shareholders scream for profits, the patients interest be damned. In a way, its a microcosm of our health care system. If we didn't have private medical insurance to pay for all of it, individuals would go broke when they got sick because prices are so high. In that way, the healthy have to pay for the sick. Its a shame that Bosley gets first dibs on buying an HM procedure (Aderans has the rights to first bid on ICX research). Bosely will no doubt try to bilk the living hell out of anything they come up with and design things to where the prospective patient has to come back an extra two or three times for outrageous amounts of money.


Bosley is still bad news in my opinion.



Docs who I think are pretty good...........................Cooley, Cole, Bauman, Harris, Bernstein (good Doctor there), Beehner, Jones in Toronto, Poswal, Rose, True, Vogel, Feller (although I dont think he's a really nice guy), Mwamba, Hasson and Wong (as good as strip gets), Shapiro, and a few others my insomniac mind cant recall at the moment. There are some other good docs. I'd research the living hell out of them, look for docs that can perform FUE if you want it. Even if you dont want an FUE, a Doctor that can perform one has kept up with the latest and that indicates he is still willing to learn and improve.

 

[headbanger guy]

Very comprehensive objective post here. Thanks so much.

Bosley's management culture is to attempt to extract as much money from the patient as possible.


Back in the day...

 

[Knight Rider]

michael barry -

Thank you for your indepth replay. In addition to the list of names given in your post. What do you think of ARMANI? The online pics look very very good.

Thoughts?

Best

 

[jas000]

i hear armani is a wonderfully talented doctor but he's not very conservative which could defintley hurt you in the long, remember you only have so much donor area on the back of your head and you dont want to use 3 qrts of it on jusr your hairline for purposes that you may need more in the future so be careful and try to pick doctors that take a conservative approach! Good luck with you decision!

 

[cal]

Yeah, Armani does great work but it's misleading to think that everyone can turn out like his glamour shots.

The glamour shots are the result of Armani's great hair transplant work, but also from doing very young-looking hairlines and heavily consuming donor hair for a small area. So he's advertising his work on totally best-case scenarios. The top hair transplant doctors can do the aggressive work on anyone, but only a small percentage of men out there are suitable for such aggressive hair transplant work without getting disasterous problems a few years down the road.



If you're gonna look into hair transplants, then you absolutely, positively, MUST understand the lifetime progression of hair loss and the problems caused by limited donor hair for transplants. If you're not careful and informed, there are a lot of doctors out there that will take advantage of your limited knowledge and screw up your head (for life) just for their quick profits. Stuff like telling you total lies to make you pay for more surgery than you should be having at the time, etc.

Hair transplanting can be a very vicious business. It often preys on the young & desperate early balders. Read Michael Barry's long post on Bosley and let that soak in.

 

[RaginDemon]

Re:

Bosley's management culture is to attempt to extract as much money from the patient as possible.


Back in the day you would be told "we cant put the grafts close together, or they will die, so we will space them wide, and you will have to have a second tranpslant to 'fill them in' ". The patient would also be sold a hairline that was too low intentionally, thus guaranteeing future surgeries as he receeded. Initially Bosley came out very much against finasteride and minoxidil upping the side-effect warnings and overemphasizing the side effects. When they realized that many more men would get surgery if they though that finas would end all further hairloss, their line of BS changed to "you'll not ever lose any more hair on finasteride, especially in the back" even though some men dont do well on finasteride and continue to lose hair, especially if they are older.


Bosley would sometimes put hair in places you asked them not to, usually too far forward on temples in an attempt to guarnantee more surgery. They would use too-big plugs up front if you didn't agree to this so you would have to conceal the plugs with a lower hairline later (putting the hairline down low where THEY wanted it). Ive read descriptions of all of this from posters since about 2002-2003 and from some back post reading from the nineties.


Bosley is trying to do better now, but some of the same upper management is full of the same people who crafted the earlier approaches in gouging money out of patients. Bosely used to pull a mind scam and a mood scam on would-be patients by having beautiful women work the office that would dismissively treat the men, while heaping praise upon the doctor. The "senior medical associate", who was no doctor would also pull a similar mood scam and act as if the "doctor" walked on water, so when the doctor came in to speak to the would-be patient, the patient had been psychologically beaten down to accepting any proscription the Doctor had for him. That diagnosis was to get an aggressive hairline in two or three planned surgeries that would put multiple donor scars in the back of the man's head (large donor scars also). It was all very well thought out and well done.


Bosley now goes after the "dumb" hair transplant market relying on infomercials. MHR uses much the same thing with ads in athletic magazines focusing on former athletes. Way back in the day, some of the mills were shown to use phoney before and after pictures of men with no hair transplants as the afters before head-shots of bald heads.


L.Lee Bosley is an awful man. The company's personality starts at the top. You are much better off going to a skilled individual doctor with some personal compassion and an experienced staff. Docs who have had transplant work themselves are especially attractive (Cooley, Harris, a few others) because they KNOW your concerns.



One of the biggest problems with Bosley is that they are a corporation now (bought out by Aderans), so money really is the thing. Shareholders scream for profits, the patients interest be damned. In a way, its a microcosm of our health care system. If we didn't have private medical insurance to pay for all of it, individuals would go broke when they got sick because prices are so high. In that way, the healthy have to pay for the sick. Its a shame that Bosley gets first dibs on buying an HM procedure (Aderans has the rights to first bid on ICX research). Bosely will no doubt try to bilk the living hell out of anything they come up with and design things to where the prospective patient has to come back an extra two or three times for outrageous amounts of money.


Bosley is still bad news in my opinion.



Docs who I think are pretty good...........................Cooley, Cole, Bauman, Harris, Bernstein (good Doctor there), Beehner, Jones in Toronto, Poswal, Rose, True, Vogel, Feller (although I dont think he's a really nice guy), Mwamba, Hasson and Wong (as good as strip gets), Shapiro, and a few others my insomniac mind cant recall at the moment. There are some other good docs. I'd research the living hell out of them, look for docs that can perform FUE if you want it. Even if you dont want an FUE, a Doctor that can perform one has kept up with the latest and that indicates he is still willing to learn and improve.

damn this guy seems to be one of the biggest assholes in the field.

 

[Eureka]

It is truly depressing that the first round of HM will be most likely controlled by bosely, But I imagine they have (some) skilled transplant surgeons and someone looking for a hair transplant From them or HM when it becomes available will just have to be cautious, Stipulating what you want and not allowing yourself to be talked into a hair transplant you know will hurt you in the long run.

But right now I would suggest you avoid them altogether unless there is a very good reason why you must go through bosely for a hair transplant there are many many other better hair transplant surgeons out there.

 

[Lucky_UK]

Fantastic Michael...