Black tea compound, blocks alpha 5 reductase, and A-receptor

[michael barry]

Arista,

Its quite possible that the human digestive system can break down or otherwise alter the precise chemicals in black tea at hand that supposedly affect five alpha reductase. I was questioning whether the topical application of very strong black tea or black tea extract mixed with a vehichle might have anti-androgenic action on the 5AR or receptors in human hair. Of course its an open question and would have to be tested, but I did think the article had enough merit to post for others consideration.

 

[retropunk]

I drink a lot of tea too--- to bad it does squat.

How do you know it does squat?

I grew up on black strong tea. It's had 40 years to do something and nada! :evil:

You've been balding for 40 years?

 

[IBM]

michael barry what would be a good natural vehicle for topical application?

 

[Jkkezh]

About the fluoride....

I've read before that tea (especially green tea) from China would be unsafe because of the high fluoride concentrations. I haven't read such reports about black tea, but it's likely that black tea would also contain high amounts of fluoride since it is essentially the same product, only fermented.

I guess the fluoride content depends greatly on the location it is harvested, it should be possible to get good teas without too much fluoride.

Another thing.... is there a difference between the fluoride in the green tea and the fluoride that's in our toothpaste? I read something about calcium fluoride (from toothpaste) and natrium fluoride (in the tea), anyone know the difference?

 

[michael barry]

IBM

Alcohol or a cream-based topical vehicle is classically what has been used for various topicals. Many oils (grapeseed or avocado for instance) have been used as vehicles for various hair oils like the "essential oils" quite a bit, however oils are 'oily'.


I feel like Im having success with peppermint oil/purified water mixed very weakly (peppermint oil is quite strong and a little goes a long way). I probably will add some tocopherol succinate (androgen receptor degradation) mildly to that mix at some point, along with finasteride internally and prox-n as the mainstays of what Im doing personally. Ive been holding the line for about five years now with success.

 

[IBM]

michael barry

If i apply Johson oil and then other things like strong black tea, green tea, etc.. will do the trick?

 

[Lucky_UK]

:shock:

 

[Cassin]

Does sweet tea count? LOL

"Sweet Tea" is black tea my southern friend. Its is a tad weaker though but so much more of it is consumed than hot tea I am sure it makes up for it.

 

[Cassin]

I love tea folks. I drink as much as I can. I typically drink Ceylon black tea made from higher elevations in Sri Lanka. I also try to fit in soom good ol green tea.

Tea is countless time better for you than anything else we drink most of the time. Drink up and enjoy and drop the soda.

But...here are some links below.

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Concentration of fluoride and selected other elements in teas.

Wei SH, Hattab FN, Mellberg JR.

Department of Children's Dentistry and Orthodontics, University of Hong Kong.

Infusions made from 15 Chinese, 11 Ceylon/Indian and 6 herb teas (1 g/100 ml deionized water at 85 degrees C) were analyzed for F, P, Ca, Al, Mg, Mn and Zn. Chinese teas continued to release F throughout the first hour of infusion, whereas release of F from Ceylon/Indian teas was essentially completed after 5 minutes. After a 15-minute infusion, the mean F concentration in Chinese teas was 1.73 ppm, and in Ceylon/Indian teas it was 1.24 ppm. Herb teas contained a negligible amount of F (0.02-0.05 ppm). Phosphorus and Mg were the most abundant of the other elements with an average of 12.5 and 9.1 ppm, respectively. A high correlation (r = 0.81) was found between the released F and Al. The total F content in tea leaves ranged from 82 to 371 ppm. The addition of milk to tea infusions did not appreciably reduce the F concentration. The estimated daily F intake from tea infusion made with fluoridated water at 0.7 ppm is 1.05 mg.


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Fluoride content in caffeinated, decaffeinated and herbal teas.

Chan JT, Koh SH.

Department of Basic Sciences, University of Texas Houston Health Science Center, USA.

The fluoride contents of infusions prepared from 44 different brands and types of teas were measured. Fluoride concentrations ranged from 0.34 to 3.71 ppm (mean = 1.50 ppm) in caffeinated tea infusions, 0.02-0.14 ppm (mean = 0.05 ppm) in herbal tea infusions, and 1.01-5.20 ppm (mean = 3.19) in decaffeinated tea infusions. This is the first report of the fluoride content of decaffeinated teas. The mean fluoride content of decaffeinated tea infusions is significantly (p < 0.01) higher than the corresponding caffeinated tea. The use of mineral water containing a naturally high fluoride level during the process of decaffeination is the most likely explanation of the above observation.

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50 Reasons to Oppose Fluoridation

http://www.fluoridealert.org/50reasons.htm

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Suggested Links on fluoridation.com

http://www.fluoridation.com/

 

[Artista]

I drink a lot of tea too--- to bad it does squat.

How do you know it does squat?

I grew up on black strong tea. It's had 40 years to do something and nada! :evil:

You've been balding for 40 years?

Technically, yes. I mean if there's a genetic component involved which is my case, then my diffused thinning has been with me since before birth!

 

[mulder]

I drink a lot of tea too--- to bad it does squat.

How do you know it does squat?

I grew up on black strong tea. It's had 40 years to do something and nada! :evil:

It's possible your condition could be worse if you hadn't been drinking the tea.

 

[mulder]

Re: Black tea compound, blocks alpha 5 reductase, and A-rece

Also, you're right. Genetics are far too strong to be overcome by diet. Our most beneficial herbs and supplements (turmeric, green/black tea, soy products...except saw palmetto) for male pattern baldness are actually toxic to various organs of the body at the doses or treatment time periods that are required for male pattern baldness treatment.

Any info on the toxicity of turmeric? I thought it was supposed to have a very low level of toxicity.

 

[Nathaniel]

God I hate drinking tea, I wish coffee, milk and a spanish churro had those beneficial tea effects.

 

[CCS]

Re: Black tea compound, blocks alpha 5 reductase, and A-rece

Theaflavin-3,3'-digallate and penta-O-galloyl-ß-D-glucose inhibit rat liver microsomal 5-reductase activity and the expression of androgen receptor in LNCaP prostate cancer cells

Very impressive...........................I wonder if one could just brew some very strong black tea and add a little alcohol as a carrier and use it topically?

do you have reason to believe this is any better than GTE? GTE is much easier to get.

 

[Jkkezh]

I very much doubt that black tea is 'better' then green tea. It's exactly the same plant, only the black tea is fermented.

The fermentation oxidizes the polyphenols in the tea (which is why black tea has less anti-oxidants then green tea). It could be (but I doubt it) that the fermentation also causes other substances to form that are more benificial compared to the green tea.

Oxidation: For teas that require oxidation, the leaves are left on their own in a closed room where they turn progressively darker. In this process the chlorophyll in the leaves is enzymatically broken down, and its tannins are released or transformed. This process is referred to as fermentation in the tea industry, although no true fermentation happens since the process is not driven by microorganisms.

I'd put my money on GTE

 

[docj077]

I very much doubt that black tea is 'better' then green tea. It's exactly the same plant, only the black tea is fermented.

The fermentation oxidizes the polyphenols in the tea (which is why black tea has less anti-oxidants then green tea). It could be (but I doubt it) that the fermentation also causes other substances to form that are more benificial compared to the green tea.

Oxidation: For teas that require oxidation, the leaves are left on their own in a closed room where they turn progressively darker. In this process the chlorophyll in the leaves is enzymatically broken down, and its tannins are released or transformed. This process is referred to as fermentation in the tea industry, although no true fermentation happens since the process is not driven by microorganisms.

I'd put my money on GTE

The total chemical make-up of black tea and green tea is quite different. Regardless of whether or not one is the fermented product of another.

 

[abcdefg]

Im sorry but if that guy is balding and has been drinking black tea for 40 years then theres no way black tea is near strong enough to do anything worthwhile. Maybe i should take propecia. What treatments if I may ask are really worth a dam besides propecia? is there really even anything else that actually works on people?

 

[Nathaniel]

Just minoxidil and probably copper peptides.

 

[Cassin]

God I hate drinking tea, I wish coffee, milk and a spanish churro had those beneficial tea effects.

Tea can be great if you get the right kind. Nothing cheap.

Add in honey and splenda and its very delicious.

 

[Artista]

I drink a lot of tea too--- to bad it does squat.

How do you know it does squat?

I grew up on black strong tea. It's had 40 years to do something and nada! :evil:

It's possible your condition could be worse if you hadn't been drinking the tea.

Hard to say but then drinking too much caffeine has bad effects on other organs, like your heart. I can't stand green tea. I grew up on pure black persian tea. Anything else if flavored water.