Big 4?

[Guest]

The "Big 3" of minoxidil/finasteride/ketoconazole seems pretty established throughout the whole hair loss communities, but why hasn't there emerged a fourth yet?

I realize that keto probably made its way in because EVERYBODY washes there hair and the Nizoral is cheap and effective shampoo so by default it probably made its way into the finasteride/minoxidil "Big Two" regimen to be called the Big 3.

Now would the addition of something like Copper Peptides or topical spironolactone NOT give much greater results in additio to the Big 3 to warrant a revolutionary change through the hair loss communities making a Big 4??? It would seem like the Cu Peptides would be the fourth choice due to its being available OTC, "natural", and fairly cheap rather than topical spironolactone but hey whynot a Big 5?

Again, I'm not arguing on what SHOULD be the 4th most consistent treatment in the serious regimens, but why there hasn't really emerged a "Big Four" yet, whatever that 4th treatment may be deemed to be.

 

[Guest]

Copper Peptides or Topical spironolactone only provide a minor improvement when added to the "Big 3" hence people don´t speak of the Big 4/5.....

 

[s.a.f]

What to choose the taugenichts big 9 or the CCS big 12.

 

[dietcola]

the big 4 is

finasteride
minoxidil
nizoral
patience

 

[Guest]

What to choose the taugenichts big 9 or the CCS big 12.

Well, the naturals guys have that "IHS Top 6" too!

I think many of us use more than those 3 too. So we really don't know if a 4th and on is really ineffective or there was simply not much of a margin for improvement thanks to the finasteride/minoxidil.

 

[Guest]

I realize that keto probably made its way in because EVERYBODY washes there hair and the Nizoral is cheap and effective shampoo so by default it probably made its way into the finasteride/minoxidil "Big Two" regimen to be called the Big 3.

Um, no. Nizoral made it in because it had a similar hair growth effect to 2% minoxidil in one study. You can read a study on its anti androgenic effects in the HairLossTalk.com library: sebaceous glands decreased in size, hair diameter increased(thickness), and the size of sebum secretions decreased as well. It's not just that it's a cheap and effective shampoo because 1) it's not cheap. It's $15 for a 7 oz bottle. You could go to your local supermarket and get a bottle of Dove shampoo for $3. 2) It's effective at not only the things I said above, but also reducing dandruff, itching and flaking.

 

[Guest]

What to choose the taugenichts big 9 or the CCS big 12.

Well, the naturals guys have that "IHS Top 6" too!

I think many of us use more than those 3 too. So we really don't know if a 4th and on is really ineffective or there was simply not much of a margin for improvement thanks to the finasteride/minoxidil.

Yeah, I would use IH´s Top 6 but I can´t get the ingredients since the fascist German custom blocks anything vitamin related......

 

[nguy1832]

I realize that keto probably made its way in because EVERYBODY washes there hair and the Nizoral is cheap and effective shampoo so by default it probably made its way into the finasteride/minoxidil "Big Two" regimen to be called the Big 3.

Um, no. Nizoral made it in because it had a similar hair growth effect to 2% minoxidil in one study. You can read a study on its anti androgenic effects in the HairLossTalk.com library: sebaceous glands decreased in size, hair diameter increased(thickness), and the size of sebum secretions decreased as well. It's not just that it's a cheap and effective shampoo because 1) it's not cheap. It's $15 for a 7 oz bottle. You could go to your local supermarket and get a bottle of Dove shampoo for $3. 2) It's effective at not only the things I said above, but also reducing dandruff, itching and flaking.

Is this true for both the 1% and 2% concentration? I'm currently on the 1% but will switch to the 2% if neccessary.

 

[Guest]

I realize that keto probably made its way in because EVERYBODY washes there hair and the Nizoral is cheap and effective shampoo so by default it probably made its way into the finasteride/minoxidil "Big Two" regimen to be called the Big 3.

Um, no. Nizoral made it in because it had a similar hair growth effect to 2% minoxidil in one study. You can read a study on its anti androgenic effects in the HairLossTalk.com library: sebaceous glands decreased in size, hair diameter increased(thickness), and the size of sebum secretions decreased as well. It's not just that it's a cheap and effective shampoo because 1) it's not cheap. It's $15 for a 7 oz bottle. You could go to your local supermarket and get a bottle of Dove shampoo for $3. 2) It's effective at not only the things I said above, but also reducing dandruff, itching and flaking.

Is this true for both the 1% and 2% concentration? I'm currently on the 1% but will switch to the 2% if neccessary.

1% was found to have similar effectiveness to 2% I believe.

 

[Guest]

I realize that keto probably made its way in because EVERYBODY washes there hair and the Nizoral is cheap and effective shampoo so by default it probably made its way into the finasteride/minoxidil "Big Two" regimen to be called the Big 3.

Um, no. Nizoral made it in because it had a similar hair growth effect to 2% minoxidil in one study. You can read a study on its anti androgenic effects in the HairLossTalk.com library: sebaceous glands decreased in size, hair diameter increased(thickness), and the size of sebum secretions decreased as well. It's not just that it's a cheap and effective shampoo because 1) it's not cheap. It's $15 for a 7 oz bottle. You could go to your local supermarket and get a bottle of Dove shampoo for $3. 2) It's effective at not only the things I said above, but also reducing dandruff, itching and flaking.

I understand that it is also effective, but I mean $15 is very cheap relative to how long this stuff lasts. But if we filtered out the costs, and factors of "having to use a shampoo anyways", would a regimen of minoxidil/finasteride/Cu Peptides or one of minoxidil/finasteride/topical spironolactone outperform the one with Nizoral? I don't think we'd know. I'm just say the convenience and price factor, along with the effectiveness of Nizoral probably helped inch its way into the BIG 3 rather than purely on effectiveness. Maybe it IS in fact more effective than topical spironolactone or Cu Peptides, I don't know.

 

[Guest]

Yeah, I would use IH´s Top 6 but I can´t get the ingredients since the fascist German custom blocks anything vitamin related......

LOL. Sorry, I don't mind to make light of your situation there (both of them) but as a fellow German (and American w/a government that incorporates a fascism as well) it was a funny reading the above!

 

[docj077]

The "Big 3" of minoxidil/finasteride/ketoconazole seems pretty established throughout the whole hair loss communities, but why hasn't there emerged a fourth yet?

I realize that keto probably made its way in because EVERYBODY washes there hair and the Nizoral is cheap and effective shampoo so by default it probably made its way into the finasteride/minoxidil "Big Two" regimen to be called the Big 3.

Now would the addition of something like Copper Peptides or topical spironolactone NOT give much greater results in additio to the Big 3 to warrant a revolutionary change through the hair loss communities making a Big 4??? It would seem like the Cu Peptides would be the fourth choice due to its being available OTC, "natural", and fairly cheap rather than topical spironolactone but hey whynot a Big 5?

Again, I'm not arguing on what SHOULD be the 4th most consistent treatment in the serious regimens, but why there hasn't really emerged a "Big Four" yet, whatever that 4th treatment may be deemed to be.

You could totally kick *** and take flutamide, spironolactone, ketoconazole, or a host of other drugs internally. That will either totally block the androgen receptor or you'll inhibit sex hormone synthesis all together.

However, it's not recommended and your chances of growing man-boobs increases to 100%.

 

[Guest]

The "Big 3" of minoxidil/finasteride/ketoconazole seems pretty established throughout the whole hair loss communities, but why hasn't there emerged a fourth yet?

I realize that keto probably made its way in because EVERYBODY washes there hair and the Nizoral is cheap and effective shampoo so by default it probably made its way into the finasteride/minoxidil "Big Two" regimen to be called the Big 3.

Now would the addition of something like Copper Peptides or topical spironolactone NOT give much greater results in additio to the Big 3 to warrant a revolutionary change through the hair loss communities making a Big 4??? It would seem like the Cu Peptides would be the fourth choice due to its being available OTC, "natural", and fairly cheap rather than topical spironolactone but hey whynot a Big 5?

Again, I'm not arguing on what SHOULD be the 4th most consistent treatment in the serious regimens, but why there hasn't really emerged a "Big Four" yet, whatever that 4th treatment may be deemed to be.

You could totally kick *** and take flutamide, spironolactone, ketoconazole, or a host of other drugs internally. That will either totally block the androgen receptor or you'll inhibit sex hormone synthesis all together.

However, it's not recommended and your chances of growing man-boobs increases to 100%.

dutasteride every day and nizoral every other day would seem to grind hair loss to a halt as michael barry thinks. i tend to agree with him.

 

[RadioRaheem]

The "Big 3" of minoxidil/finasteride/ketoconazole seems pretty established throughout the whole hair loss communities, but why hasn't there emerged a fourth yet?

I realize that keto probably made its way in because EVERYBODY washes there hair and the Nizoral is cheap and effective shampoo so by default it probably made its way into the finasteride/minoxidil "Big Two" regimen to be called the Big 3.

Now would the addition of something like Copper Peptides or topical spironolactone NOT give much greater results in additio to the Big 3 to warrant a revolutionary change through the hair loss communities making a Big 4??? It would seem like the Cu Peptides would be the fourth choice due to its being available OTC, "natural", and fairly cheap rather than topical spironolactone but hey whynot a Big 5?

Again, I'm not arguing on what SHOULD be the 4th most consistent treatment in the serious regimens, but why there hasn't really emerged a "Big Four" yet, whatever that 4th treatment may be deemed to be.

Pretty good question. I think both the Copper Peptides and Topical spironolactone should make for a Big 5, definitely. The reason behind it not making the list is arguably because:

1) They are much less used by people for hair loss, especially men.
2) These two products are not popular, not even close.
3) Not many studies available.
4) Those who have found success, typically don't frequent message forums.
5) With Topical spironolactone in particular, it's inconvenient to use if one has diffuse thinning or very aggressive hair loss.
6) These products cant be bought just anywhere. There's only 2-3 specific places online for spironolactone for instance.
7) Some, or many, on the forum can be biased. Thereby, their approval tends to be exclusive with products found only in their own regimen.

 

[JohnnySeville]

IMO, part of the "Big 3" should be Retin-A. It will do more for you than Keto ever will, even without Minoxidil. If used with minoxidil it increases absorption three fold in addition to its own hair growing properties. My hair growth skyrocketed within a month of adding this in.

 

[Guest]

Johnny,

Aren't there generally a higher occurence of sides, and an overall higher risk with Retin-A though as opposed to Cu Peptides or topical spironolactone?

I guess you could argue for a "Big 6" than.

My original thoughts was to simply have the alternative "Big 4/5/6" or whatever for the gung-ho people who come on here with bottomless wallets, a brave disregard for the potential of sides, and simply want the best possible regimen for their hairloss. Would make sense that these individuals could/should also use the Copper Peptides, Topical spironolactone, and Retin-A as well right?! Should maybe even some oral spironolactone but I think most would balk at this from the potential of growing breasts.

 

[Follically Challenged]

Apple poly, I can't wait for the revita shampoo to come out.

I'd definately be using the apple poly from http://www.applepoly.com if i could afford it, they also claim to have procyanidin b-3 and c-1 in their formulation. i don't know what the c-1 is from, but the b-3 is found in barley. maybe i should start eating barley. someone was just telling me the other day it was a super food, i wonder if he knew about this. i doubt it. anyways, he was around 50 and had a full head of hair.