Baldness Solved?

[DammitLetMeIn]

Quite simply. Is it because of cooked fats which sends 5-alpha reductase sky high?

opinions, thoughts?

 

[So]

It's not that simple.

Diet can exaccerbate hair loss (like adding fuel to a fire).

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

It's not that simple.

Diet can exaccerbate hair loss (like adding fuel to a fire).

Well. cooked fat pushes 5 alpha enzyme up creates more DHT which in turn binds to follicles

no cooked fat = no excess DHT, thoughts?

 

[Bertie]

As Jayman has tried to tell you a zillion times, baldness is NOT caused by "excess DHT."

A very wide range of DHT levels -- including levels considered moderately below average -- are capable of contributing to baldness in those men whose scalp hair follicles have become susceptible.

More DHT is worse, of course, all other things being equal, but once the balding process has been set in motion, very drastic reductions in DHT are needed to halt the process (we're addressing, for the sake of discussion here, only DHT reduction as a means of halting hairloss, even though other paths exist). Very drastic reductions in DHT can probably only be achieved with finasteride or dutasteride. Maybe mega-dosing certain supplements. But not diet.

Now, I am open to the possibility that diet can affect certain stages of the balding process. But if diet have any affect, then it is not because it is signifigantly reducing DHT levels in mature, balding men.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Diet affects 5 alpha reductase levels which creates DHT

Baldness is caused by DHT binding to androgen receptors. It is my contention that they only bind when there is too much DHT build up.

This build up comes from an increase in 5 alpha reductase which comes from cooked fat in diet.

Tell me whats not right if you think im wrong?

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Moreover, explain why African and Asian men have developed male pattern baldness when moving to America or a Westernised diet?

Whatever way to try to skew it, it is an increase in DHT/5 alpha reductase which is causing the problem. Its certainly not a decrease which causes it.

 

[sphlanx2006]

I think every man has enough DHT to destory his hair, even with no cooked fats. It is the same confusion done with minoxidil. The fact that it increases the blood flow in the scalp does not mean that extra blood = extra DHT landed on hair.

 

[Bertie]

You seem to be under the impression that DHT levels are the only thing that determines hair loss.

Absolutely false.

Equally as important, if not more so, is whether or not the hairs on the top of your head respond negatively to DHT (and other male hormones).

In some men, such as all pure blooded American Indians, scalp hair does not respond negatively to DHT. These men can have sky high levels of DHT, shoot steroids, do anything else to jack their male hormones into the stratosphere and it won't matter -- they won't go bald.

Furthermore, you continue to have this false concept of "excess DHT" or "too much DHT." In any man whose hair responds negatively to DHT, a rather wide range of DHT levels is capable of continuting the balding process. Diet and exercise can possibly reduce DHT levels in a balding man enough to slow down the process a little, but such things are unlikely to produce the drasticly low, out-of-normal-range DHT levels needed to halt or nearly halt the balding process in those men already balding. (Again, we're talking only DHT in this discussion -- I'm leaving aside the fact that diet and exercise may contribute positively at other stages in the process, as well as other drugs that address other parts of the chain.)

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

You seem to be under the impression that DHT levels are the only thing that determines hair loss.

Absolutely false.

Equally as important, if not more so, is whether or not the hairs on the top of your head respond negatively to DHT (and other male hormones).

In some men, such as all pure blooded American Indians, scalp hair does not respond negatively to DHT. These men can have sky high levels of DHT, shoot steroids, do anything else to jack their male hormones into the stratosphere and it won't matter -- they won't go bald.

Furthermore, you continue to have this false concept of "excess DHT" or "too much DHT." In any man whose hair responds negatively to DHT, a rather wide range of DHT levels is capable of continuting the balding process. Diet and exercise can possibly reduce DHT levels in a balding man enough to slow down the process a little, but such things are unlikely to produce the drasticly low, out-of-normal-range DHT levels needed to halt or nearly halt the balding process in those men already balding. (Again, we're talking only DHT in this discussion -- I'm leaving aside the fact that diet and exercise may contribute positively at other stages in the process, as well as other drugs that address other parts of the chain.)

I've just spent a couple of hours reading how it IS excess DHT which causes the damage.

It goes like this: Bad high fat diet = makes gene produce high amount of 5-Alpha-Reductaste - Converts to Testosterone = damaged follicle

And THATS how it works.


N.B I believe we were all given a set level of 5 Alpha Reductase which our body was comfortable with and which does not cause hair loss.

BUT

our dietary mistakes have caused this to above and beyond our predetermined set balance and thus the damage is done.

(obviously this excludes those people whose follicles simply remain unaffected by DHT)

 

[The Gardener]

You already have a thread discussing this topic:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/discussions ... hp?t=33715


Please, for all intents I encourage this diet/DHT discussion, but posting multiple threads on the same issue is spam.

Locking this, lets keep the discussion centered on the thread you started earlier, URL listed above.