uncomfortable man
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IH stands for Internet Hippies and they can't be trusted because they have their own agenda. Get your head out of the dark ages.
Nene
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Hoppi said:cuebald said:
Mainly on IH but also here. Brains with gluten, about 3 or 4 guys who masturbated excessively for years then stopped lol, one guy with inflammatory foods, oxalates and gluten, erm... god knows, I'm sure there are more if I think/look
Three of four guys who masturbated and then stopped? That's your proof? How about a medical study of some sort? You really getting on my nerves with your BS. I never wish hair loss on anyone, but I'm beginning to wish you'd lose some hair so you can see that no matter what you eat, or how often you wack off, you'll go bald.
Hoppi
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It's not me you have to argue this with really, it's the guys who it worked for!
I am still learning my triggers and tackling my loss.
I dunno man, anything which causes inflammation, lowers mitochondrial energy, upregulates any stage of the androgen receptor or leads to an increase in DHT levels will increase hair loss. How anyone can argue against that is beyond my comprehension but we may have to agree to disagree ._.
I am still learning my triggers and tackling my loss.
I dunno man, anything which causes inflammation, lowers mitochondrial energy, upregulates any stage of the androgen receptor or leads to an increase in DHT levels will increase hair loss. How anyone can argue against that is beyond my comprehension but we may have to agree to disagree ._.
Hoppi
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I don't mean to get on anybody's nerves ._. And I'm not saying that just anyone can fix their loss of hair with such simple things, or that they triggered hair loss in everyone or anything like that. It's just that many things seem to aggravate it in certain people, a fantastic example being gluten.
I think that unless one understands every detail of every point in the chain once DHT hits that androgen receptor, and can prove that nothing effects this chain, then it's good to keep an open mind.
I also make sure I always, always listen to people. If people tell me their shedding dramatically reduced when they cut alcohol or inflammatory food or gluten or whatever, then I listen to them. And the more times I hear the same story and the more evidence I find to back it up, the more I start to believe it.
Otherwise how do we learn?
And for the record man i AM losing hair, but I still haven't quite worked out why
My doctor seems to think it was a kind of telogen effluvium, and I hope she's right but I am still shedding I think, which is why I am using my regimen and continuing to learn.
I think that unless one understands every detail of every point in the chain once DHT hits that androgen receptor, and can prove that nothing effects this chain, then it's good to keep an open mind.
I also make sure I always, always listen to people. If people tell me their shedding dramatically reduced when they cut alcohol or inflammatory food or gluten or whatever, then I listen to them. And the more times I hear the same story and the more evidence I find to back it up, the more I start to believe it.
Otherwise how do we learn?
And for the record man i AM losing hair, but I still haven't quite worked out why
My doctor seems to think it was a kind of telogen effluvium, and I hope she's right but I am still shedding I think, which is why I am using my regimen and continuing to learn.
Jacob
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Hoppi said:cuebald said:
Mainly on IH but also here. Brains with gluten, about 3 or 4 guys who masturbated excessively for years then stopped lol, one guy with inflammatory foods, oxalates and gluten, erm... god knows, I'm sure there are more if I think/look
Mainly where?? :shakehead:
s.a.f
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Exactly what is so unhealthy about the diet of every guy on here then? In the past people have eaten whatever was available. These days good food is easy to come by and many foods fortified with vitamins ect.
Do you really belief that all the guys on here live on a diet of candy bars and coke or something?
Do you really belief that all the guys on here live on a diet of candy bars and coke or something?
Hoppi
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The diet issue is complicated.
I would say the absolute #1 is avoiding inflammatory foods (particularly inflammatory oils like most vegetable oils), followed by avoiding excessive alcohol consumption (smoking is also bad I think, but possibly not as bad for hair as alcohol).
I now only use extra virgin olive oil, because it's anti-inflammatory.
Other than that it seems like the biggest thing is intolerances, because that chucks your hormones off and can increase inflammation. Gluten is the one that springs to mind.
On top of THAT it seems good to avoid things that can upset the thyroid (like heavy metals, oxalates, probably gluten, possibly some common chemicals) and also things that contribute to adrenal complications (not getting generally proper nutrition) or poor liver health (drinking, bad nutrition, excessive consumption of carbohydrate etc).
A good thyroid balance seems to be CRUCIAL for optimal health, and as hair is one of the first things to suffer, I believe that anyone losing hair should be checking things like their thyroid balance. Hypothyroidism (and thyroid conditions in general) are believed by many to be massively underdiagnosed, and the effect this has on hair can be clearly seen.
Of course testosterone and DHT are why our follicles suffer more than women's follicles, but that doesn't mean that no other factors influence how vulnerable they are to their effects, or how much of those hormones is released.
I would say the absolute #1 is avoiding inflammatory foods (particularly inflammatory oils like most vegetable oils), followed by avoiding excessive alcohol consumption (smoking is also bad I think, but possibly not as bad for hair as alcohol).
I now only use extra virgin olive oil, because it's anti-inflammatory.
Other than that it seems like the biggest thing is intolerances, because that chucks your hormones off and can increase inflammation. Gluten is the one that springs to mind.
On top of THAT it seems good to avoid things that can upset the thyroid (like heavy metals, oxalates, probably gluten, possibly some common chemicals) and also things that contribute to adrenal complications (not getting generally proper nutrition) or poor liver health (drinking, bad nutrition, excessive consumption of carbohydrate etc).
A good thyroid balance seems to be CRUCIAL for optimal health, and as hair is one of the first things to suffer, I believe that anyone losing hair should be checking things like their thyroid balance. Hypothyroidism (and thyroid conditions in general) are believed by many to be massively underdiagnosed, and the effect this has on hair can be clearly seen.
Of course testosterone and DHT are why our follicles suffer more than women's follicles, but that doesn't mean that no other factors influence how vulnerable they are to their effects, or how much of those hormones is released.
captain_que
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s.a.f said:
Then again; everyone responds differently, and perhaps those of us with male pattern baldness are more sensitive to imbalances caused by stuff our bodies can´t handle?
It´s hard to dismiss the idea, seeing how noone seems to know the exact causes for male pattern baldness..
Hoppi
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captain_que said:
Then again; everyone responds differently, and perhaps those of us with male pattern baldness are more sensitive to imbalances caused by stuff our bodies can´t handle?
It´s hard to dismiss the idea, seeing how noone seems to know the exact causes for male pattern baldness..[/quote:4vmc13rm]
Yeah, pretty much spot on
And yeah s.a.f. is right that the immediate cause or certainly "trigger" for male pattern baldness is DHT and to a far lesser extent testosterone, but I believe you're right (erm...) Captain ( xD ) that people have varying levels of susceptibility to male pattern baldness, right along the scale to some individuals who seem to be completely genetically immune.
Thickandthin
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This diet hoopla reminds of the crap some people do to live to be 100, and then up dying of cancer at age 65 anyway. Genetics ALWAYS win.
For the diet freaks: Do you think Jason Alexander from Seinfeld could be NW1 if he had eaten a perfect "male pattern baldness-safe" diet from puberty? What about Larry David?
Or is it that diet only works for people who have less severe male pattern baldness, or, perhaps, no male pattern baldness at all (outside of their own mind, of course.)
For the diet freaks: Do you think Jason Alexander from Seinfeld could be NW1 if he had eaten a perfect "male pattern baldness-safe" diet from puberty? What about Larry David?
Or is it that diet only works for people who have less severe male pattern baldness, or, perhaps, no male pattern baldness at all (outside of their own mind, of course.)
Hoppi
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Incidentally I tell you if nothing else my regimen (internal regimen) is working absolute wonders for my skin! lol
Until the weekend when I let myself go a bit on junk food and alcohol (it was my birthday recently ), my skin on my face was so CLEAR! It was crazy hehe, I've always had a few spots like, on my neck mainly but they all went! It was really nice to see
The diet like, I dunno, I mean diet won't solve male pattern baldness for everyone but I think it definitely helps, you will need an absolutely amazing diet IMO to solve some people's male pattern baldness. Apparently JDP on IH did it by going on a non-inflammatory, low oxalate and gluten-free diet, that's how the tale goes! hehe
Until the weekend when I let myself go a bit on junk food and alcohol (it was my birthday recently
), my skin on my face was so CLEAR! It was crazy hehe, I've always had a few spots like, on my neck mainly but they all went! It was really nice to see The diet like, I dunno, I mean diet won't solve male pattern baldness for everyone but I think it definitely helps, you will need an absolutely amazing diet IMO to solve some people's male pattern baldness. Apparently JDP on IH did it by going on a non-inflammatory, low oxalate and gluten-free diet, that's how the tale goes! hehe
Hoppi
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Another thing to remember is if somebody is increasing their insulin with a bad diet or their cortisol with stress (there is also some overlap), these hormones will be lowering your testosterone and sexual health (among many other negative effects), and contrary to popular opinion this is NOT something you want!
Good point ThickandThin...
I raised a similar question on the IH site about if men who are slick bald would have been any different had they eaten a "perfect" diet since they were young. My contention was of course not, that they are bald like that due to genetics.
The moderater of the site adamately stated that hair loss isn't related to genetics. So, when you have someone, who really believes that someone like Ed Asner, or as you stated Larry David or Jason Alexander, would not be bald today if they had just taken natural anti inflammatories or taken high amounts of iodine to "correct their thyroid" deficiences. Well you really can't have a discussion with someone like that because they are really out in the ozone somewhere.
And unfortunatley that site is inhabited by a lot of similar zombies who think they can actually cure male pattern baldness by taking a couple of dozen supplements per day. Unfortunately what I can see happening is some poor soul going to that site looking for help with their problem and taking all the things that the board owner recommends and then ends up with kidney or liver damage. After that happens, he's probably going to end up getting sued and will lose his shirt. He should be careful giving out all of that supplement advice, many of which no one really knows how each vitamin or herb will react with each other.
I raised a similar question on the IH site about if men who are slick bald would have been any different had they eaten a "perfect" diet since they were young. My contention was of course not, that they are bald like that due to genetics.
The moderater of the site adamately stated that hair loss isn't related to genetics. So, when you have someone, who really believes that someone like Ed Asner, or as you stated Larry David or Jason Alexander, would not be bald today if they had just taken natural anti inflammatories or taken high amounts of iodine to "correct their thyroid" deficiences. Well you really can't have a discussion with someone like that because they are really out in the ozone somewhere.
And unfortunatley that site is inhabited by a lot of similar zombies who think they can actually cure male pattern baldness by taking a couple of dozen supplements per day. Unfortunately what I can see happening is some poor soul going to that site looking for help with their problem and taking all the things that the board owner recommends and then ends up with kidney or liver damage. After that happens, he's probably going to end up getting sued and will lose his shirt. He should be careful giving out all of that supplement advice, many of which no one really knows how each vitamin or herb will react with each other.
Baldness is definitely on the increase in the United States, and is more characteristic of the American tan of the European, according to recent observations by the medical profession. In the large cities of the United States is to be found a greater percentage of prematurely bald heads than in any other region on earth.Bryan said:
CHESTER T. STONE M.D. Clinical Assistant Surgeon, Urological Division, Bellevue Hospital, New York city; Urologist, Bergen County Hospital, Oradell, N.J.; Consultant Urologist, Rome State School, Rome N.Y
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