Anyone try black tea + soy?

[treadstone]

In light of the study that showed green tea alone raised DHT levels while black tea and soy decreased DHT levels in mice, I was wondering if anyone has tried a regimen with black tea and soy isoflavones together?

The study did say that green tea when combined with soy had a synergistic effect that would decrease DHT, but I am afraid to go down that route because the amount of soy used in the study was quite high so I'm not quite sure whether a normal regimen would work the same way. I have been trying black tea + soy isoflavones (50mg) for a few weeks now... was curious if anyone else has been and how it's worked for them?

 

[squeegee]

In light of the study that showed green tea alone raised DHT levels while black tea and soy decreased DHT levels in mice, I was wondering if anyone has tried a regimen with black tea and soy isoflavones together?

The study did say that green tea when combined with soy had a synergistic effect that would decrease DHT, but I am afraid to go down that route because the amount of soy used in the study was quite high so I'm not quite sure whether a normal regimen would work the same way. I have been trying black tea + soy isoflavones (50mg) for a few weeks now... was curious if anyone else has been and how it's worked for them?

I've been takind DIM since 4 months and soy isoflavones 50mg for a month..SO far so good! But I am on a hard core regimen so really tough to say what does what! I am just trying to balance my hormones because I am pretty sure that the endocrine system is the main problem in male pattern baldness.I just don't believe in a low testosterone life! I am a man! Just balance it!

 

[amsch]

squeege: isoflavones? So you're taking estrogens orally? :O

 

[squeegee]

Isoflavones = good estrogen...I got no tits yet.

 

[amsch]

They're still estrogens though. Noticed any sides that could be due to high estrogene lvl's? Will you have some bloodwork done?

 

[squeegee]

Soy isoflavones is a good antioxidant, reduce cancer risk and heart disease, lowering cholesterol, high quality protein, just to name a few.. Like everything that maybe can affect your hormones..I just don't mega dose it.,also they are saying that Soy helps boost production in the intestines of equol, a substance that binds to dihydrotestosterone..and administration of capsaicin and isoflavone promotes hair growth by increasing insulin-like growth factor-I production in mice and in humans with alopecia... unk: that is why I take damn SOY everyday!! BTW. take it with Soynatto for better absorption.

 

[treadstone]

50mg isn't really that much, anyways.

 

[ali777]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7519459.stm

 

[amsch]

Estrogenes = good for hair
Estrogenes = bad for male bodies.

Hairloss sucks.

 

[the Last Fight]

so green tea on its on own is bad for hair?

 

[treadstone]

Well the study wasn't looking at the affect on hair (it was a study on prostate tumors). But the findings did indicate that green tea alone increased serum DHT. Black tea alone, soy alone, black tea + soy, and green tea + soy reduced DHT.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/133/2/516

 

[the Last Fight]

Dammit, and ive been drinking on avg 3 cups of green T daily on its own .. im actually drinking one rite now

 

[treadstone]

I think it's too soon to say definitively at this point (also keep in mind it was done in mice). It was also discussed in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=31510 in the New Research forums.

However, I would argue in the meantime black tea would be the safer bet.

 

[the Last Fight]

Thanx .. you only have one cup of black tea, isnt that too little to really have any impact?

 

[squeegee]

I am still taking green tea.,. God guys! You guys are way overkill about DHT lol..... :dunno:

 

[treadstone]

Well you're also taking soy, so you have nothing to be worried about anyways =P

 

[the Last Fight]

Speaking of overkill i was checking your regimen and .. lol. im kddn .. hey every little thing count, if green tea can have a neg effect on my hair and im drinking 3-4 cups of it a day raional thinkg is that maybe i should chill on all the tea, even tough i really like it .. ill sub it with balck tea for now

 

[treadstone]

Have you been drinking all that green tea because you liked it or to help with hair loss?

 

[the Last Fight]

Mainly i do like, but all the psotive factors for your health that came along with it .. during that time i have suffered my worst hair loss at any time of my life .. not sure if its connected but im not gonna risk it

 

[treadstone]

I'm right with you on the point that every little bit helps. That's my reasoning for taking the black tea... I have no delusions that it will have major effects comparable to say Finasteride. But if it helps even a little in decreasing DHT, why not have a cup or two a day?