any truth with this old article?

smellvir

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Im Australian and looking for finasteride, info should I still buy some?

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/ ... 70542.html

Prostate drug increases cancer risk, claims study
June 25 2003





A major overseas study has found a drug prescribed to thousands of Australian men for hair loss and enlargement of the prostate increases the risk of aggressive, high grade prostate cancer.

US researchers stopped a seven-year trial of finasteride involving 18,000 low risk men 15 months before its anticipated conclusion, saying its objectives had been met.

The Prostate Cancer Prevention Trial (PCPT) was designed to test whether finasteride, which affects testosterone levels, could reduce the risk of prostate cancer.

In a special early release from the New England Journal of Medicine to coincide with the National Cancer Institute's announcement of the termination of trial, researchers say the drug appears to delay the development of cancer but increases the risk of developing more deadly tumours.

The study found overall 6.4 per cent of men on finasteride had high grade cancers compared to 5.1 per cent of men receiving placebos.

"The study results suggest that finasteride may accelerate the growth of high grade cancers, which may pose a threat to life and health," writes Peter Scardino of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Centre in New York in an accompanying editorial.

"Should finasteride now be recommended to men in order to lower their risk of prostate cancer?

"Several disturbing findings ... argue we should not."

Finasteride, marketed as Proscar, is prescribed to an estimated 10,000 - 20,000 Australian men to treat a condition known as benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), or enlargement of the prostate gland, said Phil Stricker a urologist from Sydney's St Vincent's Hospital.

But a spokeswoman from the drug's maker, Merck Sharp and Dohme, said company figures indicated only 1,000 men were on the drug.

She said the study found finasteride reduced the overall incidence of cancer by 25 per cent.

"It was stopped primarily because of its positive outcome," she said.

The spokeswoman said the results of the study should not be applied to the hair loss treatment Propecia because it was given at only one fifth the dose used in the study.

The condition known as BPH causes urinary problems and affects one in every four men over the age of 50.

The drug is also prescribed in low doses to prevent hair loss under the brand name Propecia. Finasteride is not used to prevent prostate cancer.

Dr Stricker said men who were currently on Proscar for BPH should not stop taking the medication, because the study showed it was effective in treating symptoms.

However he said it underscored the need for constant monitoring.

"It's going to be a more complex discussion with people before you put them on finasteride," he told AAP.

"You shouldn't tell people they shouldn't be on it, but ... they can never leave the supervision of their GP and specialist.

"You can't just whack a person onto tablets and forget about it."

Professor Ian Olver, director of the Royal Adelaide Hospital Cancer Centre, said he doubted there would be "a huge rush" to take men off finasteride for BPH.

However he said there may be a need to review its use for baldness.

"Whether you want to use it for male pattern baldness or not is a different matter," he said.

"I think it adds a concern about a potential toxicity that wasn't appreciated before."

Dr Stricker said the finasteride study should not be compared to last year's Hormone Replacement Therapy scare, where thousands of menopausal women dumped their medication after a study found it increased the risk of cancer.

However he said it opened a "pandora's box" regarding the manipulation of hormones.

"It's opening a pandora's box of what we're really doing if we're going to start manipulating hormones," he said.

A major overseas study has found a drug prescribed to thousands of Australian men for hair loss and enlargement of the prostate increases the risk of aggressive, high grade prostate cancer.

US researchers stopped a seven-year trial of finasteride involving 18,000 low risk men 15 months before its anticipated conclusion, saying its objectives had been met.

The Prostate Cancer Prevention Trial (PCPT) was designed to test whether finasteride, which affects testosterone levels, could reduce the risk of prostate cancer.

In a special early release from the New England Journal of Medicine to coincide with the National Cancer Institute's announcement of the termination of trial, researchers say the drug appears to delay the development of cancer but increases the risk of developing more deadly tumours.

The study found overall 6.4 per cent of men on finasteride had high grade cancers compared to 5.1 per cent of men receiving placebos.

"The study results suggest that finasteride may accelerate the growth of high grade cancers, which may pose a threat to life and health," writes Peter Scardino of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Centre in New York in an accompanying editorial.

"Should finasteride now be recommended to men in order to lower their risk of prostate cancer?

"Several disturbing findings ... argue we should not."

Finasteride, marketed as Proscar, is prescribed to an estimated 10,000 - 20,000 Australian men to treat a condition known as benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), or enlargement of the prostate gland, said Phil Stricker a urologist from Sydney's St Vincent's Hospital.

But a spokeswoman from the drug's maker, Merck Sharp and Dohme, said company figures indicated only 1,000 men were on the drug.

She said the study found finasteride reduced the overall incidence of cancer by 25 per cent.

"It was stopped primarily because of its positive outcome," she said.

The spokeswoman said the results of the study should not be applied to the hair loss treatment Propecia because it was given at only one fifth the dose used in the study.

The condition known as BPH causes urinary problems and affects one in every four men over the age of 50.

The drug is also prescribed in low doses to prevent hair loss under the brand name Propecia. Finasteride is not used to prevent prostate cancer.

Dr Stricker said men who were currently on Proscar for BPH should not stop taking the medication, because the study showed it was effective in treating symptoms.

However he said it underscored the need for constant monitoring.

"It's going to be a more complex discussion with people before you put them on finasteride," he told AAP.

"You shouldn't tell people they shouldn't be on it, but ... they can never leave the supervision of their GP and specialist.

"You can't just whack a person onto tablets and forget about it."

Professor Ian Olver, director of the Royal Adelaide Hospital Cancer Centre, said he doubted there would be "a huge rush" to take men off finasteride for BPH.

However he said there may be a need to review its use for baldness.

"Whether you want to use it for male pattern baldness or not is a different matter," he said.

"I think it adds a concern about a potential toxicity that wasn't appreciated before."

Dr Stricker said the finasteride study should not be compared to last year's Hormone Replacement Therapy scare, where thousands of menopausal women dumped their medication after a study found it increased the risk of cancer.

However he said it opened a "pandora's box" regarding the manipulation of hormones.

"It's opening a pandora's box of what we're really doing if we're going to start manipulating hormones," he said
 

Gilgamesh

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yes, I don't even need a study like that to draw the obvious

anything that inhibits a natural process will cause a rebound effect

is it worth it is what you need to ask yourself. life is risky. being bald and healthy sucks. what are you gonna do with your health as a baldy.
 

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I would also note that the overall risk of cancer decreases quite a lot (25%), and that although the incidence of agressive cancer increased significantly, the chances of developing the agressive form of cancer are still quite low. I look at it as a risk/reward situation. I can deal with a very slight, very hypothetical risk of cancer, in exchange for keeping my hair when I would otherwise almost certainly lose it.
 

amrod

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id rather have a risk of death then risk of hairloss
 

Trent

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from what i gather, here's what's going on.

prostate cancer has two forms: aggressive, and slow non aggressive. Slow non aggressive is the much more typical manifestation of prostate cancer. Aggressive is rare in comparison. As far as I know, both forms have BPH, or benign prostatic hyperplasia (some call it hypertrophy but this term has been discarded as of late) as a precursor. DHT is the androgen that has a very significant causative role in the formation of BPH. So proscar was thought to block alpha-5-reductase, block DHT, and thus inhibit BPH. No BPH means no prostate cancer. At least that was the theory. Now there are claims that proscar causing an increase risk of the aggressive form of prostate cancer. but you have to keep in mind, this is a more rare form of prostate cancer, and the patient profile on proscar users are old men with BPH, and already have an increased risk for getting prostate cancer, even if they never touched proscar.

Why I believe the risk for US to be low:
1) we don't have BPH, we are young, well most of us on this site. Prostate cancer is an older man's disease for the most part. We are at a very low risk stage.
2) all the studies were done on older men that already had BPH. so they already had a much higher risk of getting prostate cancer. (I believe its around 20% chance of getting prostate cancer at some point in your life if you are Dx with BPH). so yeah, proscar slightly increased cancer in some patients, but these patients were already at a higher risk because they were old and had BPH.
3) proscar reduced the risk of the much more common non aggressive form of prostate cancer, which is why it is prescribed to thousands of people everyday. Because its a good drug! It stops the ol' DHT from causing your prostate to grow.
4) Overall, proscar is doing WAY more good than it is bad in the general public.
5) We take 1/5 the dose that they do.


I'm not saying there's no risk involved here. But the risk of getting prostate cancer is probably lower since we're taking finasteride. We probably have less of a chance of getting non aggressive prostae cancer. There probably is, however, a chance that we may be at a small increased risk of aggressive prostate cancer when we turn 50 and get BPH. For now, this is the least of my worries personally.
 

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I'm with Trent here. I haven't seen anything that suggests that Finasteride raises the risk of all takers to develop aggressive prostate cancer.

There are two things that aren't clear to me here:

(1) Does finasteride actually increase one's risk of developing high-grade cancer, in that people who never would have gotten it will because they've taken finasteride, or does it throw off prostate cancer tests so that people don't know they have a prostate condition until the high-grade cancer sets in? One of the major complaints I'm aware of regarding finasteride is that it can obscure the results of PSA tests.

(2) Did this high-grade cancer occur in men who were on finasteride, or who had been on finasteride? I don't plan on being on finasteride for more than ten years, honestly - I'd like to keep my hair now, but as soon as something better comes along (like HM), I'll get a procedure and dump the drugs for good. The effects of finasteride are supposed to - operative word here being "supposed to" - go down as soon as you go off the drug.

I think most of us on here are mid-20s and 30s. Say you're on finasteride for another 10 years, get a transplant/HM and then drop the drug, you've got at least a decade to recuperate before you really have to start thinking about your prostate. Or am I being overly idealistic here?
 

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Wikipedia seems to explain what is really going on pretty well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasterid ... ate_cancer

Whilst the potential for positive, negative or neutral changes to the potential risk of developing prostate cancer with finasteride has not been established, evidence has suggested it may temporarily reduce the growth and prevalence of benign prostate tumors, but could also mask the early detection of prostate cancer. The primary area for concern is for patients who may develop prostate cancer whilst taking finasteride for benign prostatic hyperplasia, which in turn could delay diagnosis and early treatment of the prostate cancer, thereby potentially increasing the risk of these patients developing high-grade prostate cancer.

So it seems like Finasteride is not actually the cause of the tumors (or at least there's a lack of evidence to suggest that), it just makes them much more difficult to detect. The trial was however conducted with a 5 mg dosage which is commonly prescribed to help treat benign prostatic hyperplasia and not the 1 mg which is usually taken to help fight male pattern baldness.
 

squeegee

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Still don't know why people suffering from hairloss still taking that sh*t.. you want to balance your hormones.. no f*** everything up! Taking micronized/transdermal pregnenolone will lower serum DHT like no tomorrow and balance the others.. and you don't need a prescription! Don't believe me? just try it and test it yourself.
 

squeegee

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Re:

amrod said:
id rather have a risk of death then risk of hairloss

Because dying of prostate cancer is so f*****g cool?? :whistle:
 
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