Any studies on Body Hair vs. Head Hair Retention?

[thechevyman122]

It seems to be accepted that an extremly hairy person is more likely to be bald eventually. (Higher DHT levels). I was just wondering if there have ever been any studies on this specficially?

Thanks in advance
Owen

 

[Diffuser44]

I know it is accepted - if not readily believed - that an extremly hairy person is more likely to be bald eventually. (Higher DHT levels). I was just wondering if there have ever been any studies on this specficially?

Thanks in advance
Owen

im not sure if that's true. Hairy people are genetically hairy. Bald people have dht sensitive hair on the top of their head. It doesn't mean bald people have more dht. It also doesn't mean hairy people have more dht either. Sure it's the dht that is responsible for its initial growth and for hair loss but thats based on genetics. Not how much dht one has.

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That's why if you're balding and have low dht. You will want to be careful about inhibiting it. That's why many people now get blood tests and consult professionals about altering their hormones.

 

[SayifDoit]

People who build up these crazy theories linking male pattern baldness to masturbation/Diet/body hair or facial hair...and so on..
Only fall flat on their face. Seriously male pattern baldness can effect anyone, body type, or anyone. The difference between a bald guy and any other guy with a full head of hair is nothinggggg....
The funniest are the people who think people who suffer from male pattern baldness are some how better or more aggresive...some ****ttt....

You think a guy in his 60's starting to go bald is somehow more aggressive?
Follicle DHT sensitivity.


****ing laughable, nearly as funny a the nofap bull****. Never read or seen anything so dumb.

 

[thechevyman122]

People who build up these crazy theories linking male pattern baldness to masturbation/Diet/body hair or facial hair...and so on..
Only fall flat on their face. Seriously male pattern baldness can effect anyone, body type, or anyone. The difference between a bald guy and any other guy with a full head of hair is nothinggggg....
The funniest are the people who think people who suffer from male pattern baldness are some how better or more aggresive...some ****ttt....

You think a guy in his 60's starting to go bald is somehow more aggressive?
Follicle DHT sensitivity.


****ing laughable, nearly as funny a the nofap bull****. Never read or seen anything so dumb.

I didn't build up a theory... I asked if there were any studies.

Masturbation/Aggression are both behaviors- I didnt ask for studies on them because its obvious there is no correlation. Body hair (aka Hair) is more plausibly connected to hair loss (aka Hair) when compared to the aforementioned behaviors WHICH IS WHY I WAS ASKING :firing:


Thanks tho

 

[Diffuser44]

People are always to come up with other traits about bald and balding men. There really isn't anything unique that sets us apart from our full headed counterparts. There was a correlation with men who bald early being less likely to develop prostrate cancer though. However who knows if that's still true for those of us that have taken finasteride.

 

[The Far Side]

Some people had been discussing a Japanese study and it's findings that people in the study who were "more hairy" responded better to Finasteride than the others to some extent. Reduced body hair is also a well known Finasteride side effect. So calling the discussion dumb is ...dumb

Personally I was curious about this a few months ago and didn't find much information other than the Japanese study and a bunch of annecdotes from people on forums saying their Doctor/Derm told them being hairy was a sign that they could possibly respond well (head hair wise) to finasteride.

 

[Diffuser44]

Some people had been discussing a Japanese study and it's findings that people in the study who were "more hairy" responded better to Finasteride than the others to some extent. Reduced body hair is also a well known Finasteride side effect. So calling the discussion dumb is ...dumb

Personally I was curious about this a few months ago and didn't find much information other than the Japanese study and a bunch of annecdotes from people on forums saying their Doctor/Derm told them being hairy was a sign that they could possibly respond well (head hair wise) to finasteride.

japanese people don't even have body hair lol! I don't have any body hair and I did great on finasteride. Then Again I started when I was 18 and just didn't have any yet. Did I regrow more hair? Not really. Did I keep my hair? Yes! Did i do better then someone who has lost a lot of hair and regrew some? Yeah I think I did better then them. Does the study show that? No.

 

[resu]

I forgot on what board I saw the study but it was recent, if you want you could probably still find it since it was only a few weeks ago. Anyway it may not be DHT itself, specially because DHT is produced right on the follicle so you may claim that body hair is irrelevant, but there may be other factors at play and there's definitely a link as proven (finally) by the Japanese study. I think it on was HLH.

 

[Diffuser44]

I forgot on what board I saw the study but it was recent, if you want you could probably still find it since it was only a few weeks ago. Anyway it may not be DHT itself, specially because DHT is produced right on the follicle itself so you may claim that body hair is irrelevant, but there may be other factors at play and there's definitely a link as proven (finally) by the Japanese study. I think it on HLH.

I'm saying a more mature man has more body hair and more hair loss than the boy who hasn't developed body hair and is just stating hair loss. You can't measure the success of finasteride based on how much hair is regrown. Get what I'm saying?

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To me the boy who gets to keep all of his hair on finasteride is more successful then an older more bald man that grew back some hair. Sure their is more regrowth, but he is still more bald than the boy.. The study doesn't take this into consideration thereby making the stats skewed.

 

[resu]

I'm saying a more mature man has more body hair and more hair loss than the boy who hasn't developed body hair and is just stating hair loss. You can't measure the success of finasteride based on how much hair is regrown. Get what I'm saying?

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To me the boy who gets to keep all of his hair on finasteride is more successful then an older more bald man that grew back some hair. Sure their is more regrowth, but he is still more bald than the boy.. The study doesn't take this into consideration thereby making the stats skewed.

I can't find the study so I can't compare the age but I'm sure it was taken into consideration.

 

[Diffuser44]

I looked for it on the forum but couldn't find it.

 

[The Far Side]

It was probably this (first hit on google :E)

http://www.e-ijd.org/article.asp?is...59;issue=2;spage=163;epage=165;aulast=Inadomi

 

[Diffuser44]

Yeah so the group b people were probably younger with less hair loss therefore they had no change. Which supports my above theory on effectiveness.

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Yeah so the group b people were probably younger with less hair loss therefore they had no change. Which supports my above theory on effectiveness.

Either either way the drug was effective for both groups. It just shows that men with more body hair are more likely to regrow hair. Men with less body hair will keep the hair they have but will be less likely to see actual regrowth.

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I'm still thinking the men with less body hair were typically younger and didn't have as much hair loss.

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And again. Japanese men don't have body hair. How did they distinguish the two groups? Men with two hairs on their chest vs the men with no hairs?

 

[resu]

That was the study.

The average observation period was 18.2 ± 14.5 months. The average ages of overall, Group A and Group B were 43.7 ± 12.7, 41.0 ± 15.1, and 46.2 ± 10.0 years old, respectively. The average onset ages of overall, Group A and Group B were 31.5 ± 8.8, 30.1 ± 7.8, and 32.9 ± 9.9 years old, respectively. The durations of taking finasteride of overall, Group A and Group B were 18.2 ± 14.5, 15.3 ± 9.4, and 20.9 ± 18.2 months, respectively.

A guy gets hairier with age, balding is associated with old age, of course it's related and a trait. It's not the cause of male pattern baldness but it's certainly linked. I only started to get the itch and the following shed once the chest follicles were triggered to start producing hair.

Look at this guy, find a guy this hairy that isn't balding or bald, very rare.

 

[Diffuser44]

 

[thechevyman122]

Random Story: I have buddy that was 6" taller than the rest of us since the 3rd grade. He was shaving in middle school and people used to think he was a teacher. Grew up playing baseball with him and he used to knock baseballs into the 3rd of cars playing with the rest of us 10-14 year olds so they moved him up to high school ball. He was a MAN by the 9th grade and is the hairest guy I have ever seen in my life. He is baldddd and is now 25 years old. He has had no hairline recession, but you can see his scalp on the rest of his head- it's like the perfect scenario for finasteride. But he just doesn't care. Everyone is different I suppose.

 

[The Far Side]

Random Story: I have buddy that was 6" taller than the rest of us since the 3rd grade. He was shaving in middle school and people used to think he was a teacher. Grew up playing baseball with him and he used to knock baseballs into the 3rd of cars playing with the rest of us 10-14 year olds so they moved him up to high school ball. He was a MAN by the 9th grade and is the hairest guy I have ever seen in my life. He is baldddd and is now 25 years old. He has had no hairline recession, but you can see his scalp on the rest of his head- it's like the perfect scenario for finasteride. But he just doesn't care. Everyone is different I suppose.

Sounds like me except I had rapid hairline recession between the ages of 15 and ~17 rather than diffuse thining. I'm nearly 27 now and exactly the same body hair wise (ludicrously so, but not *more* than back then). I also have very oily skin and the type of spot trouble people get with steroid-induced high DHT levels.

Content about baldness, DHT and body hair caught my attention a few months ago and I was very interested to learn the role DHT can play in body hair growth, male pattern baldness and skin oilyness. I had this idea in the back of my head that it was possible I could have high DHT levels in general contributing to these 3 negatives (balding, body hair, oily/spot-prone skin). The Japanese study plus various annecdotes from doctors about body hair = good finasteride responder reenforced that for me. I also have a family member who started finasteride and had similarly hairly looking arms and legs to me and there has been a dramatic reduction in their hair there since starting finasteride. I know it's very wishful thinking to hope that finasteride would be a magic bullet impacting 3 negative factors, or to think that I will be a good finasteride responder based on these 3 factors, but I plan to find out soon.

As far as someone being hairy and balding, Pierce Brosnan is the exaception I can think of.

 

[Diffuser44]

Tom selleck! There
is no correlation. Sorry. Japanese men don't have chest hair. Some have more hairy legs but that's it.

 

[abcdefg]

I think there is some truth to it, but of course you cant over generalize with a simple blanket statement. We know there are plenty of guys balding that are not that hairy. Once male pattern baldness starts years later you might start balding faster even though androgens dont rise maybe sensitivity changes. Men that are more hairy probably have higher androgen levels in general so it makes sense they are more likely to bald if they are sensitive I dont think that is too far fetched in most cases. Androgens do cause body hair I mean I dont see a lot of women with beards and chest hair at least not yet. That being said sensitivity is the most important which is why we need more studies on it
Its a hell of a lot more plausible then the diet or masturbation theories. I myself had abnormally no body hair or facial hair at maybe like 19 and had perfect Norwood 0 hair over the years as I got the beard stubble and recently chest hair my head hair has very slowly started to go. Its really a mature hairline point almost, but I think facial hair and chest hair are good indicators of how fast someone will bald if they are sensitive. I see lots of evidence for it

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A couple guys I know are abnormally hairy for their age and both very bald for being so young. Other guys I know are very old with zero facial hair or body hair and they have Norwood 0 perfect hair. I certainly think there is something there I just think propecia is not enough and I personally think testosterone play a big role too its not just DHT involved with hair growth

 

[resu]

Tom Selleck is a good call, he just doesn't have the male pattern baldness genes, lucky one. It happens, with guys like Selleck they could do everything and not lose a single hair, seems with us our hairs just are predisposed to miniaturize one way or another.

Read about Andreas Krieger, she was a former athlete who was doped with anabolic steroids without her consent, she eventually had a sex change, if you see photos of him now you'll see the famous male pattern baldness pattern, remember he was born female, how would we explain this?

You can see photos here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/olypian-sex-change-docs-doped-peds-article-1.1349901