Anti Propecia; Pro Bald

[ladysmanfelpz]

Look Hollywood. You are making rationalizations that everyone in the world is anti bald. Today more people are shaving their heads more than ever. It's a trendy look. Wear nice clothes, get in shape, be friendly, confident and wear a smile and people will think you look good, and you will/do. For many balding men, they can't save their hair and I think it looks bad when they try to cover it up. I had many bald idols growing up. Including Billy Corgan, Michael Stipe, Moby, Michael Jordan, the singer from Live (whatever his name is) etc. I'm not "Anti Propecia". I just think it is bull**** that in order to save your hair you have to permanently decrease your hormones to that of a menopausal woman. Strictly talking one's DHT here. For some people, like you, looks are way more important than they should be. I personally make small and minor judges about peoples appearances. Friendliness, and shared interests are way more important to me than how someone styles their hair. I quite frankly don't give a crap about people's hair. When I was 18 I was told I would only be blocking the hormone that causes enlarged prostates and hair loss. The truth is it effects a **** ton more than just that. The tradeoff was most certainly beneficial for me at that age. No one was going bald at 18. I didn't want to be ridiculed going into college for being bald.

I support people who go on finasteride. They should be fully aware of what they are doing though.

Brains, Organs, and Body, are way way more important than hair. Proceed with caution.

I totally agree. Thats the case with any modern medicine, use when the benefits outweigh risks. For me losing at 17 sucked. I was dam near bald by 21 when I went to my Doctor and said I NEED to get on it after trying minoxidil and keto and all types of supps. I just don't get the fact how people on here can't accept themselves for who they are. When I started I wanted to tell everyone losing their hair that hey we can do something about this now, but if its not bugging them, why bother. It bugged me big time so I had to go on. I didn't feel youthful and hated my appearance. Confidence was at an all time low and it affected all aspects of my life, so yes the benefits far outweighed the risks for me.

Now that I've slightly reversed at 23 I feel confident and as my earlier post stated actually quite vain. I think the main reason for my hairloss was not susceptible hair follicles but just high androgen count. So I developed as a broad shouldered, strong facial feature male, but with the negative of hairloss, and now I've lowered the 5ar activity and decreased the potent DHT and got increased T. Now I have the best of both worlds and feel like a kid who got on steroids or into drugs when I go see old friends. The confidence kick was needed, but to live as someone I'm not was not. I do plan to get off. Think the longest I'll go is 5 more years til 28 so I can have the high androgens and be a strong youthful young male, and then let it go and be myself and have higher DHT to have that extremely ripped appearance like Willis. Being a bald, buff bad *** at 20 just doesn't work and was too hard to bear for me. finasteride should be used as a treatment to a condition, but not a cure, or permanent change to your appearance to trick yourself into thinking you are Jason Stamos.

And what are ppl talking about? Trying to have a kid while on finasteride is stupid. If any decreased 5-ar activity is introduced into the sperm, if I was your kid I'd give a big F you to my dad for making me any less of a man just cuz he had to save his stupid hair. Let your kid be the most well developed male he can be and if hair matters that much to him let him treat it when it hits him.

 

[SayifDoit]

being bald is not a choice
having hair is

 

[Diffuser44]

Not everyone responds to finasteride and minoxidil. Even if you have no side effects there is no guarantee it is going to work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qDi0dVQEcU

According to this news report you can take a test to see if you will respond to finasteride or not. If this is real I would recommend people find out if the drug will work for them before they waste their time messing around with their hormones.

I know finasteride works for me. I'm still stuck in anlaysis paralysis on taking it though. So for now I'm just not planning on taking it.

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Hair is one of those things where it is only attractive when it is still on your head. Everyone is disgusted by hair when it is off of it, especially if it is in ones food.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

Diffuser you bring up some pretty good points. The reason why it may seem like I am coming out swinging and attacking you is not because you are accepting you will go bald. Acceptance and feeling good about yourself is great. My problem is when someone takes that stance what follows are usually statements of: "enjoy your b**ch tits", "I would rather be bald than have ED", etc. If the acceptance of being bald didn't include negativity toward finasteride users, which I am one, I would have little problem with it. At the end of the day, if somebody doesn't mind going slick bald, more power to them. The look just isn't for me.

 

[Diffuser44]

I hear you. As far as b**ch tits go I didn't get them while on finasteride. However While I was on finasteride I was drinking excessively for a while and that I believe caused a lot of fat in that area. I still have some extra flab but by no means ever developed gyno. I don't think finasteride causes gyno any more than the placebo. I think studies have shown that. I see lots of men with gyno looking chests and know for a fact they never took finasteride. Most of the people I've seen on finasteride don't have gyno. However, if you are prone to gyno, finasteride might not be for you. I think because alchohol lowers testosterone and raises estrogen one should be careful with too much of consumption of it while taking finasteride. I don't ever seem to get that euphoric feeling while drinking like I used to. Not sure if that is finasteride related or just becomming tolerant of alcohol over time.

 

[ladysmanfelpz]

Someone else mentioned this about the alcohol but haven't heard any science behind it, but i've definitely experienced different effects from drinking.

 

[centurie]

How did finasteride maintain your hair across those 7.5years? Also do you think minoxidil will maintain it without finasteride. Im 19 the only thing deterring me from finasteride is the fact that i want to be able to grow a full beard and i feel that taking it may halt my beard development.

 

[Diffuser44]

Someone else mentioned this about the alcohol but haven't heard any science behind it, but i've definitely experienced different effects from drinking.

I didn't really use alcohol prior to taking finasteride. Beer still makes me happy when I drink it but its a different feeling. I don't get the euphoric feelings anymore. I don't really get euphoric feelings in general to be honest.

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How did finasteride maintain your hair across those 7.5years? Also do you think minoxidil will maintain it without finasteride. Im 19 the only thing deterring me from finasteride is the fact that i want to be able to grow a full beard and i feel that taking it may halt my beard development.

Here is the thing with beards and my theory on it. When I started finasteride my facial hair had only partially came in. I started at 18 and quit at 25.5. So I say its like I have the beard growth of a 21 year old now. I still have a very patchy beard and cannot grow a full one. On the other hand.. that might be how I was going to be regardless of taking finasteride or not. Yet I still noticed it get thicker in the chin and sides of the chin since quitting finasteride. My hairloss is extremely slow, snail speed. I think my beard growth might be the same, yet I'd like to think if I had never taken finasteride I'd have a more impressive beard by now.

finasteride kept my hair great, I think it continually got better as I took it. There was definitely a shed phase. My hair would continue to shed those hairs with the bulbs on the end for about 2 years. That is when I think I got my prime head of hair back was when I stopped shedding those types of hairs.

 

[centurie]

Did your beard continue to develop whitest you were on finasteride though, just at a slower rate? Also do you recommend me getting on it, do you regret it at all?

 

[der29]

men with low androgen levels get sides off finasteride

 

[Diffuser44]

My beard did not continue to grow for me while I was on finasteride. It halted. I would ask your general practitioner or dermatologist. I can't make any regrets because I don't know know if there is anything that finasteride would have caused that I should be regretting about... I think it brought me many positive memories and was able to go through my college and party days with a full head of hair because of it.

Mark Twain said: I've had a lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened.

If you think you can take finasteride without worrying about side effects go for it. If you are going to be paranoid about getting these sides and trick yourself into having them maybe reconsider. I have a hypochondriac like personality. I was lucky to take finasteride back when side effects were 1% of men who take it or less. Also back then there was nothing about persisting side effects. It all went away after stopping taking it back then. I think as the drug came close to the end of its patent some people got money grubby and wanted to collect money from Merck because of their "horrible" side effects they experienced. There may have been a subset of men who had finasteride related side effects but I think it is all psychological. Most of the side effects these men feel can be explained simply by the change in their appearance. Losing hair is going to cause anxiety and depression. Those both cause brain fog and ED.

For now I'm not going to retake the drug. That doesn't mean I wont reconsider once i've lost more hair

 

[centurie]

Hahah honestly man you've been awesome help, your a very wise guy . I 100% get you when you say the sides are psychological since ive when im depressed i generally have lower libido and weaker erections, so its easy for many people to blame these sides on finasteride. Though it may contribute to it, alot of it really does come down to your own brain. As for the facial hair side there really is no telling tbh.

 

[Diffuser44]

The facial hair thing is basically one of my ongoing jokes to be funny. Though I speak the truth as far as my beard growth goes while on finasteride, it is by no means a big deal, and no way to tell for sure if it came from finasteride. As I shave ever 2-3 days and have blonde hair it really makes no difference whether I can grow a full beard or not. Most men will say finasteride has no effect on their beard growth. Then again most men didn't start taking finasteride at the age of 18 before their beards fully developed either.

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Hahah honestly man you've been awesome help, your a very wise guy . I 100% get you when you say the sides are psychological since ive when im depressed i generally have lower libido and weaker erections, so its easy for many people to blame these sides on finasteride. Though it may contribute to it, alot of it really does come down to your own brain. As for the facial hair side there really is no telling tbh.

You've had a lower libidio and weaker erections before taking any drugs? That in itself can explain post finasteride syndrome. No longer taking a hair drug means hair loss. Which means the depression and lower libidio and anxiety that caused that person to get on hair loss meds to begin with. Look up symptoms of anxiety and depression and I can bet you money you will see a lot of what people describe as there symptoms from taking finasteride.

Another thing that hasn't been addressed yet is testicular pain. I honestly think everyone has a nut that is more sensitive then the other whether you take finasteride or not. The only thing that taking finasteride will do is give you something to blame that nut pain on. For me i sometimes get a dull ache when wearing tight boxer briefs or sitting for prolonged periods of time. This has been around before finasteride, while taking finasteride and after finasteride and has nothing to do with the drug what-so-ever. Also when the girl rides you on top and slaps her *** against your balls that too can cause some nut pain.

 

[centurie]

I've experience nut pain too. Tbh at some point in time ive had all the sides on Finasteride without even taking it! My libido was so low that weeks passes and i didnt have the urge to do anything sexual (would go long periods without masturbated masturbation) when i tried i could get and erection (80%) but i would get bored, sometimes i even would look at my girlfriend in disgust. I blame most of this on the depression i got into when i started worrying about my hair, and the death of someone close, but after i got my mind cleared and to terms with things they all gradually disappeared.

 

[Diffuser44]

I've experience nut pain too. Tbh at some point in time ive had all the sides on Finasteride without even taking it! My libido was so low that weeks passes and i didnt have the urge to do anything sexual (would go long periods without masturbated masturbation) when i tried i could get and erection (80%) but i would get bored, sometimes i even would look at my girlfriend in disgust. I blame most of this on the depression i got into when i started worrying about my hair, and the death of someone close, but after i got my mind cleared and to terms with things they all gradually disappeared.

That's good to hear that your feeling like your normal self again. Honestly looking at your photos it looks like you have naturally thin hair all over including non male pattern baldness areas. Maybe a little bit more recession than normal but again that might not be male pattern baldness related. I would see a dermatologist who specializes in hair loss and have them confirm whether or not it is male pattern baldness. Until then take Nizoral 1 % every three days. Best of luck.

 

[centurie]

That's good to hear that your feeling like your normal self again. Honestly looking at your photos it looks like you have naturally thin hair all over including non male pattern baldness areas. Maybe a little bit more recession than normal but again that might not be male pattern baldness related. I would see a dermatologist who specializes in hair loss and have them confirm whether or not it is male pattern baldness. Until then take Nizoral 1 % every three days. Best of luck.

Thanks man that's what im planning on doing

 

[Diffuser44]

Propecia can change the shape of your face now? what next

You might be right, I might have made conclusions that were off. If anything my face might be more masculine due to further recession of my hair. I feel like my face appears more bony and mature because of that less feminine. This is comparing photos of my face 2.5 years ago the day I quit finasteride, and now. It could all simply be due to further hair loss and nothing more.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

Damn diffuser, your last few posts have been pretty solid. It sucks you gave up your hair loss battle. You are a good contributor to this site.

 

[Diffuser44]

With my 400th and very last post in the forums I leave you with my final thoughts.

It is better to change your attitude towards baldness. In the end things aren't worth the time and money. The things that work somewhat effectively come at a price. They change your body's chemistry on an endocrine level.

When you are noticing hair loss it is all about attitude. Just don't let it bum you out too much and own it.

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However, if some breaking new hair loss cure comes about. Be sure to private message me.

I will from now on be a lurker on the forums, but don't plan on checking in to help with people's silly hair loss woes. Nor will I debate over which celebrities are balding, whether or not coconut oil or nofap will help hair loss, or any of that other mumbo jumbo. We all know what helps hair loss. Nizoral, Minoxidil, and Finasteride. It's up to you guys to weigh the pros and cons.

In the wise words of a hair loss forum sage:

"I've taken all kinds of stuff over the last 4 years. minoxidil, finasteride, Revivogen, Tricomin, Nizoral, I just can't be bothered with treatments anymore. The extremely mediocre results just aren't worth the side effects to me, e.g. lack of energy, lack of sex drive, poor cognitive function, depression, lack of REM sleep, shortness of breath when exercising etc etc.

I totally understand why other people do so as balding at a young age is a ****y thing to go through mentally, but there is absolutely zero perspective on this forum, so when I'm not countering some of the ridiclous posts on here I try to steer clear as much as possible, as this place on teaches people to hate themselves purely because of their hairloss."

and of course my favorite quote ever:

"ha,yes these females(I use the term loosely) dont want too be straddled by some spiky-haired,pretty boy,they want too be abused,what better man,than a big,bald,monster.It feels damn good at the time,but when I have emptied my tea-bags,and back in the dark room I inhabit,then the shame,guilt,and emptiness begins."

And my favorite hair loss story:

Last week I finally got a job working in an office.

Well yesterday, my boss invited me to the office to meet and greet my new work mates.

I think this is the general practice for new employees, so he invited me around to the office a few days before I officially start the job.

I have never been to a meet and greet session before, so I wasn’t 100% sure of what to do or even what to wear.

When I got there, I noticed everyone was waiting in line for me. They were all lined up waiting to shake my hand and introduce themselves to me.

At this stage, I was hiding my real emotions. I just felt extra nervous.

The continuous thought of hair loss was etched firmly on my mind and I just couldn’t shake it off.

Anyway, the first few people went fine; I shook their hands and moved on to the next person.

However, when I go to the 4th person in the line, I started to shake.

I didn’t feel quite right, but I carried on regardless.

That’s when my hair loss took control of me.

Instead of offering my hand for them to shake, I grimaced unattractively, before violently thrusting my head down to introduce him to my fresh Norwood.

I could not believe my own actions.

Tears started to stream down my face, as the realisation of losing another job opportunity began to hit home.

That’s when things went from bad to worse.

Because I started running around with my head down in the Norwood bomb position, bombing at everyone in sight.

I was Norwood bombing.

Everyone had looks of apprehension on their faces, as I chased after them in a confused manner.

I was Norwood bombing in the direction of female derrières.

I was living it up.

All that could be heard was shouting and screaming, as my bemused workmates could not believe what they were seeing.

My hair loss had intervened with my progress in life once again.

 

[stop dht]

If we got male pattern baldness we can delay it but no one can **** with treatments forever . For me i m gonna try to keep my hair until i marry than quit everything than embracing my baldness ( looks like nw3 v area end of road for me for example)