Am I just being paranoid?

[Croga]

or am i starting to lose it? I first noticed my hairline receding in November last year but i think i was just losing the last of my juvenile hairline (see here). However now im noticing the rest of my hair thinning. I was going through a lot of emotional stress and anxiety before xmas and i think that may be the reason for the hair loss (telegen effluvium) or i may have kick started the male pattern baldness gene. Because of the stress/anxiety I developed a really itchy scalp with scaling but with the help of Nizoral Shampoo it has stopped. I've been stress free for the past 2 months and noticed that I dont shed as much anymore. When i did lose hair they were healthy and thick but i've come across a few hairs that were healthy but really thin at the root and some exclamation point hairs.

My father is a Norwood 3 and his 2 brothers are Norwood 4. His father was a Norwood 3. My father only started to lose it at 30. I'm 21. Out of my mothers 9 brothers all of them still have their mature hairline still to this day some with gray hair except for one brother who lost his in his 20's he'd be NW7. Her father kept his mature hairline too. My mother had alopecia when she was younger and lost her eyebrows - they've never grown back.

I've uploaded pictures. What do you guys think? Its a lot thinner on the right compared to the left.

So the question really is... Should I wait and see what happens? what should i be on the look out for? What are the warning signs?

peace

EDIT: forgot to add... when i pull a bunch of hairs I can pull out around 4/5 and i noticed that hair shred has white bulbs on them sometimes huge white bulbs - this could be excessive sebum buildup?

 

[Hoppi]

I think you're me. lol

I have EXACTLY the same thing possibly due to exactly the same reasons, and man I am kinda glad I'm not alone ._. heh

For me yes, the same thing, receding above temples and general thinning particularly at the very top. A lot of quite thick feeling hair "stubs".

I'm still trying to work it out to be honest. It's either all DHT/male pattern baldness or that combined with separate stress-related hair thinning.

My comprehensive regimen is to try to come at this from every angle in the hopes that I can hit upon the solution!

Hell your hair (colour and thickness) even looks a bit like mine lol

I wish I knew the answer for sure man. Try grabbing these tablets that I did as they seem to work wonders for giving your hair more life:

http://www.hairstimulator.net/order.htm

However the question is just how much of this could be DHT/male pattern baldness and whether our hairlines are going to keep receding... it's got me quite concerned about myself ._.

 

[s.a.f]

Try grabbing these tablets that I did as they seem to work wonders for giving your hair more life:

http://www.hairstimulator.net/order.htm
.

Lol, no wonder theres so many snake oils about when people are buying stuff like this.

Dont forget to buy yourself a head massager aswell!

http://www.tradekorea.com/product-detai ... _loss.html

 

[Hoppi]

Try grabbing these tablets that I did as they seem to work wonders for giving your hair more life:

http://www.hairstimulator.net/order.htm
.

Lol, no wonder theres so many snake oils about when people are buying stuff like this.

Dont forget to buy yourself a head massager aswell!

http://www.tradekorea.com/product-detai ... _loss.html

Yeah because giving your hair all the nutrients, vitamins and amino acids it needs to grow is SO dumb.

Give it a rest s.a.f.


EDIT -- and actually for the record scalp massages/massagers do make a difference because they improve blood flow to the hair follicle. Just like these Omega 3 tablets I've been taking

 

[s.a.f]

Yeah because giving your hair all the nutrients, vitamins and amino acids it needs to grow is SO dumb.

Believing it will combat m.p.b is!!!

EDIT -- and actually for the record scalp massages/massagers do make a difference because they improve blood flow to the hair follicle. Just like these Omega 3 tablets I've been taking

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Yes because lack of bloodflow causes m.p.b :jackit:
Infact you could argue that you're just improving the supply/flow of DHT to your follicles!
You need to understand that hairloss is'nt a health issue its a genetic condition.

 

[Hoppi]

[quote="s.a.f":jpkpxmww]
Yeah because giving your hair all the nutrients, vitamins and amino acids it needs to grow is SO dumb.

Believing it will combat m.p.b is!!!

EDIT -- and actually for the record scalp massages/massagers do make a difference because they improve blood flow to the hair follicle. Just like these Omega 3 tablets I've been taking

Yes because lack of bloodflow causes m.p.b :jackit:
Infact you could argue that you're just improving the supply/flow of DHT to your follicles!
You need to understand that hairloss is'nt a health issue its a genetic condition.[/quote:jpkpxmww]

Ok ok I don't want to argue about this for too long (especially as we are hijacking this poor dude's thread a bit! lol).

You have to understand though, and you may do already I'm really not sure, that I am not denying that male pattern baldness is largely down to genetics (or entirely, I don't want to have that debate right now either!). What i AM saying though is that, ok your hair follicles may now be quite sensitive to DHT, but there are many, many things that you can do to make them have an easier time in their struggle to produce hair.

Let me illustrate this briefly. Ok so this follicle is smothered in DHT, and sensitive to the stuff. So what do we want to do? What would be ideal? Well, we need to remove the DHT. Then we need to bind it's receptors with something else so that DHT can't attach there again for a while. Then, we want to reduce the amount of sebum, so that the follicle has no trouble finding it's way through the scalp, and DHT and 5ar and bacteria can't collect within the follicle itself, in it's sebaceous gland (as it my understanding, it's certainly close to this). Then, we need to get lots of nutrients and goodness to the follicle, so it has everything it needs to build healthy hair again

Do you see what I mean now? So all this helps the follicle and keeps it producing healthy hair. A good bloodflow... yes I mean the point could be made that that gets more DHT to the hair also, and this is something I am not totally clear on either.

As for diet and lifestyle, the primary goal of that is to naturally lower your body's level of DHT and free testosterone. This then has a similar impact to lowering it's levels of 5ar, as it means there's less of these hormones to collect around the follicles (free testosterone is turned into DHT by 5ar at the follicle itself).

Ok I'm spent lol

If we STILL don't see eye to eye, then let's just agree to disagree and please don't bash my posts and things anymore - let's just live and let live ok?

 

[s.a.f]

Look I just dont want newbies coming on here and reading about vitamins and supplement and thinking that they can combat their m.p.b this way because it will only end in dissapointment.
Also as I said before it only serves to further promote the myth that us bald guys are like this through our own fault and bad health.

 

[Hoppi]

Look I just dont want newbies coming on here and reading about vitamins and supplement and thinking that they can combat their m.p.b this way because it will only end in dissapointment.
Also as I said before it only serves to further promote the myth that us bald guys are like this through our own fault and bad health.

I know, I do understand.

I know I mentioned the tablets first but it was really just because he does seem quite knowledgeable about the causes of male pattern baldness, and so I kind of imagined he might know about the DHT-blocking effects of things like Finasteride/Propecia already. I would have covered things like that later in the thread if he wasn't aware of them

Also, I'm really, really not saying that people with male pattern baldness are necessarily unhealthy, I know it can come across like that sometimes and I'm sorry for that. I think that SOMETIMES diet, lifestyle and stress can play a role in kicking off male pattern baldness if you are genetically disposed to it, and of course also they can cause other kinds of hair loss, as the OP was mentioning. I myself am not sure of the complexities of what is causing the kind(s) of hair loss I am experiencing, and so it is interesting for me to hear from someone who seems to have almost precisely the same symptoms!

I'm actually going to a specialist for a check-up of my hair on Wednesday afternoon, so perhaps I'll let you know Croga what he says - it may benefit you also!

 

[follicle84]

Croga your hair looks great. It just looks like you have a mature hairline much like mine when i was 20/21. I couldnt say for sure if your balding though as its too early to tell. My natural reaction if i didnt know anyting about hairloss would be to say your not. You mention your hair is thinner on the right. I know a girl with thinning in the same pattern that never use to be there. Its stopped now though, i think its just a part in your hair were hairs are weaker. I have it too. From what you've said about male pattern baldness being in your familly though, i think your right in being concerned. Even a mature hairline can be scary if you dont understand what is going on. You can get your scalp maped for minuturising to see if your losing it and if you are jump on to propecia as prevention is better than cure.

SAF is right in the sense that vitamins wont do much for hair alone. However i went to a pharmacy to get propecia once and was told that a good in take of vitamin b would help slow hairloss down a little. So i dont think its complete nonsense just a little overated.

 

[Croga]

Why does some people thin and some people recede?

 

[Hoppi]

Why does some people thin and some people recede?

Well, there are many, many possible reasons for hair loss. Male Pattern Baldness is caused by the hair follicles genetic sensitivity to the hormone DHT (can't remember if I said this already) - it's all here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgenic_alopecia

This is usually treatable, but not yet fully curable.

Hormonal imbalances and genetics can also cause hair thinning. It's a little difficult to spot what is causing hair thinning or loss. Usually if it's being lost noticeably from the hairline or crown (like a bald spot at the very top) then it's male pattern baldness, but general thinning or loss in clumps can imply different things particularly if normal male pattern baldness symptoms are not present.

In your case it is tricky to tell exactly what is causing it. Keep an eye on your hairline and crown, and your hair in general. It may be possible to measure scalp DHT somehow, I'm not sure about this

 

[s.a.f]

Well, there are many, many possible reasons for hair loss.

But 99% of the time its plain old m.p.b especially if that hairloss is only noticible on the top of the head.

 

[Croga]

Why does some people thin and some people recede?

Well, there are many, many possible reasons for hair loss. Male Pattern Baldness is caused by the hair follicles genetic sensitivity to the hormone DHT (can't remember if I said this already) - it's all here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgenic_alopecia

Im aware of DHT but im asking how come some men with male pattern baldness recede and keep on receding where as some men keep their mature hairline but thin.

 

[Hoppi]

Why does some people thin and some people recede?

Well, there are many, many possible reasons for hair loss. Male Pattern Baldness is caused by the hair follicles genetic sensitivity to the hormone DHT (can't remember if I said this already) - it's all here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgenic_alopecia

Im aware of DHT but im asking how come some men with male pattern baldness recede and keep on receding where as some men keep their mature hairline but thin.

I really, really don't know. I would imagine it's something to do with which follicles are sensitive and which aren't yet. I'm really not sure, we may need someone like Bryan to explain that one

 

[follicle84]

Some were in your genetic makeup your dna determines how sensitive your hair follicles are to dht. Some of these hair follicles are genetically made more sensitive to dht than others, which is why hairloss can be worse in one area and only minor in another. The reason why it occurs in different patterns in different people is because of a trait in a gene variant that is passed down in your familly to show a similair balding pattern to your male predessors.

For instance if your dad or grandad suffered hairloss from the crown rather than from the temples then you will likelly follow that pattern of baldness from the gene that carries that trait (determining which follicles are prone to that pattern of hairloss). The only thing that might change that is if say your maternal father or dads father had a completelly different set pattern of hairloss in which case you might end up balding from a receding hairline and crown for example.

 

[Croga]

Some were in your genetic makeup your dna determines how sensitive your hair follicles are to dht. Some of these hair follicles are genetically made more sensitive to dht than others, which is why hairloss can be worse in one area and only minor in another. The reason why it occurs in different patterns in different people is because of a trait in a gene variant that is passed down in your familly to show a similair balding pattern to your male predessors.

For instance if your dad or grandad suffered hairloss from the crown rather than from the temples then you will likelly follow that pattern of baldness from the gene that carries that trait (determining which follicles are prone to that pattern of hairloss). The only thing that might change that is if say your maternal father or dads father had a completelly different set pattern of hairloss in which case you might end up balding from a receding hairline and crown for example.

What happens to the child if one side of the family keeps their mature hairline and the other side of the family recede to NW4?

 

[dougfunny]

Some were in your genetic makeup your dna determines how sensitive your hair follicles are to dht. Some of these hair follicles are genetically made more sensitive to dht than others, which is why hairloss can be worse in one area and only minor in another. The reason why it occurs in different patterns in different people is because of a trait in a gene variant that is passed down in your familly to show a similair balding pattern to your male predessors.

For instance if your dad or grandad suffered hairloss from the crown rather than from the temples then you will likelly follow that pattern of baldness from the gene that carries that trait (determining which follicles are prone to that pattern of hairloss). The only thing that might change that is if say your maternal father or dads father had a completelly different set pattern of hairloss in which case you might end up balding from a receding hairline and crown for example.

What happens to the child if one side of the family keeps their mature hairline and the other side of the family recede to NW4?

then you flip a coin and cross your fingers. could go either way. in my i inherited the nw4.

 

[follicle84]

What happens to the child if one side of the family keeps their mature hairline and the other side of the family recede to NW4?

IT depends on which genes you inherit from your mum and dads side of the familly.

So you could end up having just a mature hairline and never go bald or become a norwood 4 instead. If both both sides of the familly carry the norwood 4 trait then there is very strong chance you will be a norwood 4.