All these Propecia scares....

[Guest]

Traxdata has been reading to many of me and Gilgamesh's posts. I see craziness in both of ours.

Honestly, we're batshit insane.

Gilgamesh you fuckin ROCK man, don't let anyone steel your individuality and creativity! I am in a ruthless battle for my integrity as we speak, you give me strength.

Traxdata is just witnessing our embraced alienation and can't resist the power of our individuality. Everyone is free but doesn't want to be, they would rather wallow in ignorance, NOT ME!

Traxdata, So it's freedom you want? Your looking in the right place....

My new name: Ignorance lost=Paradise Found!

 

[Red Rose]

Re: finasteride and mental fog

Bryan posted this article over at HLH which may have some relevance.

"Finasteride", from The New England Journal of Medicine, Jan. 13, 1994 by Rittmaster:

"High doses of finasteride given over a long term to rodents cause Leydig-cell hyperplasia and adenomas, probably as a result of the two- to threefold elevation in serum concentrations of luteinizing hormone (LH) in these animals. In men, testosterone exerts negative feedback on the pituitary and the hypothalamus by acting both through androgen-receptor-mediated processes and after conversion to estradiol. The fact that serum LH concentrations are often elevated in men with 5alpha-reductase deficiency suggests that dihydrotestosterone may also be important in the control of gonadotropin secretion. A decrease in serum dihydrotestosterone concentrations with finasteride had no effect, however, on serum LH or follicle-stimulating hormone concentrations in young men who received 5 mg of finasteride daily for 28 days. In a trial in which more than 250 men received 5 mg of finasteride for 12 months, serum LH concentrations increased from a mean of 6.6 U per liter to 7.6 U per liter, a change unlikely to be clinically important. The 10 percent increase in serum testosterone concentrations may be due both to the inhibition of testosterone metabolism and to slightly increased LH stimulation of testosterone production".

 

[VWdude]

Paradise... I hope your not gay.

 

[Axon]

Mental Fog: What a load of horseshit. I actually bought into this theory when I started law school; I suddenly didn't feel as "sharp" because I wasn't #1 in my class. I'm Axon, after all, the most intelligent and handsome man on the planet, and NO ONE is better or smarter than me. Must be the finasteride, right? Couldn't possibly be that I've just met someone that tiny bit better. So I dropped Fina for like 3 months.

Absolutely no change.

 

[VWdude]

All in the head... but you know how people want a reason for everything, so they blame the finasteride saying it is causing mental fog.
= BULLSHIT

 

[doubleplay]

be afraid to use propecia. Don't take it lightly. I don't care how much of a family man your derm is, he learns all his info from big pharma. whatever big pharma tells him, he tells his patients, its as simple as that.

I mean if you are willing to accept the risks, by all means go ahead, but go pop a pill and think its healthy for you, because its not.

live a little stop being a weenie and take a risk. Youll die younger but live happier. dont be a little b**ch

 

[Guest]

VWdude, I hope your not going bald....

 

[Guest]

I must say that I have started to wiggle my hips more when I walk. I also hold a cigarette like a women would.

 

[Guest]

VWdude, thanks for making the world a nicer place to live you fuckin piece of sh*t loser, go f*** yourself b**ch!!!! If I was gay, I wouldn't feel the least bit shameful because of your stupid *** f*****g comments. You bald, old, fuckin loser, get a fuckin life!!!!

I hope you go balder than a fuking dead rotten pig which is what you look like now I'm sure. It's people like you that deserve to go bald!!!! I hope your feeling the pain of this world more than anyone alive.

You represent whats wrong with the world!!!!

And no I'm not gay, I love my girl, she's the sh*t. I also have the capacity to love everyone. Even people that are gay or whatever they are, even you VWdude.

With responses like that I'm guessing you may be getting mood swings as a side effect of finasteride?

 

[drinkrum]

Mental Fog: What a load of horseshit. I actually bought into this theory when I started law school; I suddenly didn't feel as "sharp" because I wasn't #1 in my class. I'm Axon, after all, the most intelligent and handsome man on the planet, and NO ONE is better or smarter than me. Must be the finasteride, right? Couldn't possibly be that I've just met someone that tiny bit better. So I dropped Fina for like 3 months.

Absolutely no change.

Axon,

How did your hair fare during those 3 months? Any change in libido?

D.

 

[Greg1]

In the States, on various tv medicine commercials, they are now required (by law?) to state any possible side effects. If you've ever taken any anti-depressants etc., along with the meds can come the side effects. BUT the fact that there are side effects DOES NOT mean that everyone will experience them. Sometimes it is a very miniscule group of people that will but apparently there are laws now that state you need to be aware of sides.

 

[VWdude]

whoa, thats what he wrote before he edited his post?... funny, I guess not being able to take a joke is just one of the many side effects... and he called me old? yeah, i'm very old... 22 going on 40. For someone who doesn't know me or know anything about me he sure can come on here and talk alot of smack about me but i'm not going to lash out, waste of time over a little joke...alllright then.

 

[souldoctor]

OK I might as well contribute a bit here...I've only just started taking propecia a week ago though, so my agenda is probably to make myself feel better as much as anyone else here about it..!! but yeah anyway..

I'm nearly in my final year of med school, and we did pretty intensive pre-clinical pharmacology and physiology...all i can say that i've learnt is that pretty much every drug, foodstuff, liquid or whatever that you take into your body can *theoretically* be linked to causing some imbalance of something somewhere within your endocrine/neuroendocrine etc systems, because if you read the textbooks, pretty much everything affects everything...

So, to take Gilgamesh's example concerning propecia and 5 alpha reductase and its effects on the neurotransmitter GABA, all i can say is well there are potentially tenuous biochemical links between all kinds of enzymes in our bodies, but to be honest, half the time our bodies adapt to it and deal with it, and if there are significant risks associated with any medication, they usually get found out before the drug's licensed (of course i know there have been exceptions, i' merely generalising)...

Just chill seriously...people out there drink shitloads, smoke weed, take acid, ecstasy, all sorts of crazy sh*t, our bodies are STRONG!! propecia won't kill you trust me, my only personal worry is the prospect of all this 'initial shed' business hitting me, and having to deal with even worse hair ..hopefully it'll just do its thing though...

SD


EDIT: Actually just re-read this and it okay it sounds way too simplistic...i haven't really acknowledged that plenty of people get serious side effects and have to discontinue its use, fair enough...but it's worth a try still surely, if it causes you problems then you stop. But how would you know 'til you try?

 

[Trent]

a fellow med student. howdy.

 

[souldoctor]

hi trent..yeah i think you replied to my original post way back when i did my story, you said it was similar to yours apparently!

propecia working alright for you then?

SD

 

[Axon]

Mental Fog: What a load of horseshit. I actually bought into this theory when I started law school; I suddenly didn't feel as "sharp" because I wasn't #1 in my class. I'm Axon, after all, the most intelligent and handsome man on the planet, and NO ONE is better or smarter than me. Must be the finasteride, right? Couldn't possibly be that I've just met someone that tiny bit better. So I dropped Fina for like 3 months.

Absolutely no change.

Axon,

How did your hair fare during those 3 months? Any change in libido?

D.

You know, it really didn't change much. I stayed on minoxidil and nothing much happened.

I've never had libido issues either way, so there was no change that I noticed.

 

[Guest]

whoa, thats what he wrote before he edited his post?... funny, I guess not being able to take a joke is just one of the many side effects... and he called me old? yeah, i'm very old... 22 going on 40. For someone who doesn't know me or know anything about me he sure can come on here and talk alot of smack about me but i'm not going to lash out, waste of time over a little joke...alllright then.

just a bit of minor editing there methinks.

 

[VWdude]

duuuuuuuuuuuddeee

 

[Guest]

Wow, maybe the 1/3 of Proscar is making me a little moody. I'm just sick of the negativity in our world the same negativity that we're all here, that's why I edited my post to ask in a way that renders it bad to answer yes.

I thought you were old cause it's the older generations that are so f*****g stoic which is how I misinterperated your comment/ joke which I get now.

very sorry for my comments.

 

[VWdude]

It's all good dude, we're all in this together.