A study of how the flavonoids in tea actually work

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Taken from http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 030507.php

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Studies force new view on biology of flavonoids
CORVALLIS, Ore. – Flavonoids, a group of compounds found in fruits and vegetables that had been thought to be nutritionally important for their antioxidant activity, actually have little or no value in that role, according to an analysis by scientists in the Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University.

However, these same compounds may indeed benefit human health, but for reasons that are quite different – the body sees them as foreign compounds, researchers say, and through different mechanisms, they could play a role in preventing cancer or heart disease.

Based on this new view of how flavonoids work, a relatively modest intake of them – the amount you might find in a healthy diet with five to nine servings of fruits and vegetables – is sufficient. Large doses taken via dietary supplements might do no additional good; an apple a day may still be the best bet.

A research survey, and updated analysis of how flavonoids work and function in the human body, were recently published in Free Radical Biology and Medicine, a professional journal.

"What we now know is that flavonoids are highly metabolized, which alters their chemical structure and diminishes their ability to function as an antioxidant," said Balz Frei, professor and director of the Linus Pauling Institute. "The body sees them as foreign compounds and modifies them for rapid excretion in the urine and bile."

Flavonoids are polyphenolic compounds with some common characteristics that are widely found in fruits and vegetables and often give them their color – they make lemons yellow and certain apples red. They are also found in some other foods, such as coffee, tea, wine, beer and chocolate, and studies in recent years had indicated that they had strong antioxidant activity – and because of that, they might be important to biological function and health.

"If you measure the activity of flavonoids in a test tube, they are indeed strong antioxidants," Frei said. "Based on laboratory tests of their ability to scavenge free radicals, it appears they have 3-5 times more antioxidant capacity than vitamins C or E. But with flavonoids in particular, what goes on in a test tube is not what’s happening in the human body."

Research has now proven that flavonoids are poorly absorbed by the body, usually less than five percent, and most of what does get absorbed into the blood stream is rapidly metabolized in the intestines and liver and excreted from the body. By contrast, vitamin C is absorbed 100 percent by the body up to a certain level. And vitamin C accumulates in cells where it is 1,000 to 3,000 times more active as an antioxidant than flavonoids.

The large increase in total antioxidant capacity of blood observed after the consumption of flavonoid-rich foods is not caused by the flavonoids themselves, Frei said, but most likely is the result of increased uric acid levels.

But just because flavonoids have been found to be ineffectual as antioxidants in the human body does not mean they are without value, Frei said. They appear to strongly influence cell signaling pathways and gene expression, with relevance to both cancer and heart disease.

"We can now follow the activity of flavonoids in the body, and one thing that is clear is that the body sees them as foreign compounds and is trying to get rid of them," Frei said. "But this process of gearing up to get rid of unwanted compounds is inducing so-called Phase II enzymes that also help eliminate mutagens and carcinogens, and therefore may be of value in cancer prevention.

"Flavonoids could also induce mechanisms that help kill cancer cells and inhibit tumor invasion," Frei added.

It also appears that flavonoids increase the activation of existing nitric oxide synthase, which has the effect of keeping blood vessels healthy and relaxed, preventing inflammation,and lowering blood pressure – all key goals in prevention of heart disease.

Both of these protective mechanisms could be long-lasting compared to antioxidants, which are more readily used up during their free radical scavenging activity and require constant replenishment through diet, scientists say.

However, Frei said, it’s also true that such mechanisms require only relatively small amounts of flavonoids to trigger them – conceptually, it’s a little like a vaccine in which only a very small amount of an offending substance is required to trigger a much larger metabolic response. Because of this, there would be no benefit – and possibly some risk – to taking dietary supplements that might inject large amounts of substances the body essentially sees as undesirable foreign compounds.

Numerous studies in the United States and Europe have documented a relationship between adequate dietary intake of flavonoid-rich foods, mostly fruits and vegetables, and protection against heart disease, cancer and neurodegenerative disease, Frei said.
 

michael barry

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Interesting stuff man. Im going to email an old friend that.


BTW-----has topical green tea been good for your hair in your opinion? Success with it?

DO you just mix the extract with water and some alcohol as a carrier?
 

RAKBS

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michael barry said:
Interesting stuff man. Im going to email an old friend that.


BTW-----has topical green tea been good for your hair in your opinion? Success with it?

DO you just mix the extract with water and some alcohol as a carrier?

Green tea has been working well for me. I've been able to prevent further loss for about three months now and I'm pretty sure I've had some regrowth on the hairline. Plus, my scalp feels like an ice skating rink for several hours afterwards; no inflammation at all.
 

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blaze said:
RAKBS,

how are you making this green tea topical of yours??

The same way michael barry said: I just brew a tea bag, cool the water off a bit, and then add alcohol.
 

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RAKBS said:
blaze said:
RAKBS,

how are you making this green tea topical of yours??

The same way michael barry said: I just brew a tea bag, cool the water off a bit, and then add alcohol.

hey RAKBS,

can you tell us more in detail like how much alchole how much green tea and what kind of green tea do u use. another thing how do u apply it and when? do u have pics??

Thanks
 

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RAKBS said:
michael barry said:
Interesting stuff man. Im going to email an old friend that.


BTW-----has topical green tea been good for your hair in your opinion? Success with it?

DO you just mix the extract with water and some alcohol as a carrier?

Green tea has been working well for me. I've been able to prevent further loss for about three months now and I'm pretty sure I've had some regrowth on the hairline. Plus, my scalp feels like an ice skating rink for several hours afterwards; no inflammation at all.

I need some serious help on my front and hair line. I've been using spironolactone for the last month and I've thinned a considerable amount in the past 3 weeks. This has maintained for you? What kind of alcohol do you use?
 

RAKBS

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For the alcohol, I use everclear, enough to make it so that the solution has 66% water and 33% alcohol (i.e. twice as much water as everclear).

Then I wash my hair with just a normal shampoo to get oil and dirt and stuff out, use a teaspoon to get the green tea on my scalp, and sometimes an eye dropper to get to the harder places. What I like to do is saturate one area with the tea, then move on the next, then the next, etc.
 

RAKBS

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Just one, but two's probably better. One tea bag yields about 110 mg of EGCG, and 110 mg of other catechins. The kind I use also has Vitamin C, Vitamin E, and Vitamin A (it's Celestial Seasonings "Green Tea Antioxidant").
 

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I thought it was intereesting. Looking more into the literature it seems that this is a controversial area but that it has been known/suspected for some time that flavonoids did not exert any effect through direct antioxidant activity. However it seems they do provoke the body to produce more of its own antioxidant enzymes and the possibility that they may have a direct antioxidant effect when applied topically rather than orally may remain as far as I have read into it (not that far).
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