A Closer Look At: B.P.H. & Prostate Cancer.

Bryan

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Below is an excerpt from the "Letter to the Editor" that Ohnemus et al sent to the medical journal; it describes the actual experiment they did showing the beneficial effect of estrogen on balding scalp hair follicles. I didn't want to spend too much time in transcribing the whole thing, so I included just the first paragraph, deleted some of the subsequent ones, then included the part about the test itself, then deleted some of the concluding material at the end, and the numerous references (obviously, I couldn't include the "Figure 1" chart which they also provided, and referred to in the text below):

Estrogens and Human Scalp Hair Growth—Still More Questions than Answers

To the Editor:
While it is undisputed that estrogens (17-b-estradiol, E2) can profoundly modulate hair growth in practically all mammalian species investigated, usually exhibiting hair growth inhibitory properties (Emmens, 1942; Williams et al, 1946; Stumpf et al, 1974; Ebling et al, 1991; Smart et al, 1999; Chanda et al, 2000), it is still rather unclear what exactly E2 administration does to human scalp hair growth.

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Recently, we have also studied the effects of E2 (1 nM–1 mM, Sigma St. Louis, MO) on female occipital scalp hair follicles, and have essentially confirmed hair shaft elongation-inhibitory properties of E2, which were maximal at 1 mM (Ohnemus et al, 2003). In view of the extreme dependence of androgen effects on the exact integumental location of human hair follicles however (Ebling, 1991; Jahoda and Reynolds, 1996), we were curious to learn whether E2 effects on human scalp hair follicles are location- and/or sex-dependent. This has already been demonstrated for the E2 response of pelage hair follicles from mice and rats, which is profoundly influenced by sex and body site (Emmens, 1942; Mohn, 1958).

Therefore, we have investigated in a single, large, frontotemporal scalp skin sample (healthy male individual, no medications, 46 y; obtained with informed consent during routine facelift plastic surgery; all experiments were performed in order to the Declaration of Helsinki Principles) how E2 addition to the medium (1–100 nM, Sigma, diluted in serum-free William’s E medium, supplemented with l-glutamine, penicillin, streptomycin, insulin, and hydrocortisone) affected hair shaft elongation, anagen duration, hair follicle pigmentation and hair matrix keratinocyte proliferation in microdissected, organ-cultured male anagen VI hair follicles from the frontotemporal scalp skin region.

Surprisingly, compared to the vehicle control, the hair shaft elongation of male frontotemporal scalp hair follicles was significantly stimulated by 1–100 nM E2 already as early as 1 d after the start of organ culture, and this stimulation became even more pronounced at the end of organ culture (days 7 and 9) (Fig 1). This stimulation of hair shaft formation (which is the result of stringently coordinated proliferation and differentiation of hair matrix keratinocytes (Stenn and Paus, 2001) corresponded to a significant stimulation of hair matrix keratinocyte proliferation by 10 nM E2 at day 9 (average number of Ki-positive-cells: in the control group 14 cells (SEM 3.21) and 26 cells in the E2-treated (10 nM) group (SEM 4.38); level of significance: p<0.05, Mann–Whitney test). While no evident differences were noted by H&E or Fontana–Masson histochemistry between E2- and vehicletreated hair follicles in the hair follicle pigmentary unit or in the degree of hair follicle degeneration during organ culture (data not shown), a slight, though not statistically significant, anagen-prolonging effect of E2 was seen in E2-treated test hair follicles as compared to vehicle controls (data not shown).

Therefore, organ-cultured male frontotemporal scalp hair follicles in vitro respond to E2 treatment (by a mode of E2 administration that mimics systemic drug application) with a stimulation of both hair shaft generation and of hair matrix keratinocyte proliferation, and a tendency towards anagen prolongation, while no hair pigmentation effects are seen. This is well in line with the ill-documented, but widely shared clinical experience of topically applied E2 on the male scalp in vivo (i.e., hair growth stimulation; Schumacher-Stock, 1981) and supports the anagen-prolonging effect of E2.

Our observation in a single, yet carefully analyzed male patient* raises five basic questions that must be addressed much more systematically by subsequent work on the effects of E2 on human hair growth in order to better explain the seemingly contradictory results obtained with occipital (Kondo et al, 1990; Nelson et al, 2003) versus frontotemporal scalp hair follicles (Fig 1) [...]


*Note added in proof: The stimulation of male frontotemporal hair follicles by E2 reported here (Fig 1) was just confirmed by us using frontotemporal hair follicles from a second male patient.
 

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misterE said:
Bryan, can you find any studies showing beneficial effects of estrogen on prostate tissue?

No.

By the way, why are you spending so much time talking about prostate issues on a hairloss forum?
 

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Bryan said:

I didn't think so.

Bryan said:
By the way, why are you spending so much time talking about prostate issues on a hairloss forum?

Association of benign prostatic hyperplasia with male pattern baldness.

Oh BR, Kim SJ, Moon JD, Kim HN, Kwon DD, Won YH, Ryu SB, Park YI.

Department of Urology, Chonnam University Medical School, Kwangju, South Korea.

OBJECTIVES: Both benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) and male pattern baldness (androgenic alopecia) share the pathogenesis of an androgen-dependent disorder and afflict a large population of elderly men with chronobiologic progress. However, it is unclear whether these diseases are related epidemiologically. We evaluated the association of frequency and severity of male pattern baldness between patients with BPH and a control group. METHODS: A total of 225 patients with BPH (mean age 69.3 +/- 6.5 years) and 1 60 controls (mean age 68.5 +/- 6.4 years), all over 60 years of age, were included in this study. The estimation of baldness severity was based on Norwood's classification (grade I to VII). The International Prostate Symptom Score (IPSS) and genetic tendency for baldness were also evaluated. The difference between IPSS and grade of baldness between the two groups was analyzed by the Mann-Whitney test and the frequency of inherited baldness was compared by the chi-square test. Correlation between severity of baldness and IPSS in each group was estimated by Spearman's rank correlation method. RESULTS: The patients with BPH had an apparently higher grade of male pattern baldness in comparison with that of controls (median value of grade IV versus III, P <0.001). The proportion of men with male pattern baldness of grade IV or higher in the BPH group was significantly larger than that of controls (53.8% versus 36.9%, P <0.01). There was a greater frequency of inherited baldness in the BPH group than in the controls (31.6% versus 12.5%, P <0.001). No significant correlation was noted between baldness severity and IPSS in either group. CONCLUSIONS: This study demonstrates a strong association of BPH with male pattern baldness.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9610587
 

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misterE said:
Bryan said:

I didn't think so.

Bryan said:
By the way, why are you spending so much time talking about prostate issues on a hairloss forum?

Association of benign prostatic hyperplasia with male pattern baldness.

Oh BR, Kim SJ, Moon JD, Kim HN, Kwon DD, Won YH, Ryu SB, Park YI.

Department of Urology, Chonnam University Medical School, Kwangju, South Korea.

OBJECTIVES: Both benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) and male pattern baldness (androgenic alopecia) share the pathogenesis of an androgen-dependent disorder and afflict a large population of elderly men with chronobiologic progress. However, it is unclear whether these diseases are related epidemiologically. We evaluated the association of frequency and severity of male pattern baldness between patients with BPH and a control group. METHODS: A total of 225 patients with BPH (mean age 69.3 +/- 6.5 years) and 1 60 controls (mean age 68.5 +/- 6.4 years), all over 60 years of age, were included in this study. The estimation of baldness severity was based on Norwood's classification (grade I to VII). The International Prostate Symptom Score (IPSS) and genetic tendency for baldness were also evaluated. The difference between IPSS and grade of baldness between the two groups was analyzed by the Mann-Whitney test and the frequency of inherited baldness was compared by the chi-square test. Correlation between severity of baldness and IPSS in each group was estimated by Spearman's rank correlation method. RESULTS: The patients with BPH had an apparently higher grade of male pattern baldness in comparison with that of controls (median value of grade IV versus III, P <0.001). The proportion of men with male pattern baldness of grade IV or higher in the BPH group was significantly larger than that of controls (53.8% versus 36.9%, P <0.01). There was a greater frequency of inherited baldness in the BPH group than in the controls (31.6% versus 12.5%, P <0.001). No significant correlation was noted between baldness severity and IPSS in either group. CONCLUSIONS: This study demonstrates a strong association of BPH with male pattern baldness.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9610587


I understand your point of view Mr E, but to be more conclusive the study, please patients with mean age 30,0 years.

Armando
 

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misterE said:
Bryan said:

I didn't think so.

So what's your point? I could have told you a lot about prostate issues some years ago after I first read long, detailed articles about it by Wells E. Farnsworth (yes, I've read that study by Farnsworth that you cited before...not just the abstract like YOU, but the whole thing).

misterE said:
Bryan said:
By the way, why are you spending so much time talking about prostate issues on a hairloss forum?

Association of benign prostatic hyperplasia with male pattern baldness.

Oh BR, Kim SJ, Moon JD, Kim HN, Kwon DD, Won YH, Ryu SB, Park YI.

Again I ask you: SO WHAT? What does that have to do with the treatment of male pattern baldness? If you're interested in prostate issues, go talk about it over on the "Health and Fitness" forum, don't waste our time and clutter up this place by posting about it here in an area devoted specifically to hairloss.
 

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abcdv12 wrote:Every one participating in this thread, You all are smart and knowledgeble.
I appreciate and thank you for all your input.
I am 100% confident , one of you guys/gals will figure out the whole deal,
Hope fully soon.

Again , Thank you,

I've figured it out. Inhibiting D.H.T. and estradiol from binding with S.H.G.B. will lower "free" testosterone; only “free†testosterone can interact with your hair, if it does, only then does it cause hair loss.

Think about it. Balding men have lower S.H.B.G. (because it’s occupied by D.H.T. and estradiol) and higher “free†testosterone.

Balding men have high levels of D.H.T. and estrogen, because it’s stuck to S.H.B.G. leaving no room for “free†testosterone to bind. The “free†testosterone that cannot bind to S.H.B.G. then affects the hair.


I have only recently started measuring my hormone levels.
And aslo most of my hormone profile is messed up by my use
of propecia 10 years ago. I have been suffereing hygnodism.
(Not trying to scare any one, it is just my situation).
and also most of side effects started after qutting propecia.

I have used beta sitosterol for the past 3 months , after reading your articles
, recently quit that one too , as i suspect it to cause lower testostorene.

Presently i am only using psyllium ( dietary fiber) , which i beleive has reduced my hair fall significantly in the last 2 years. then again i am allready a nw6.

bye for now.
 

Bryan

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misterE said:
B.P.H. is associated with Male Pattern Baldness. Estrogen is associated with B.P.H.

In other words, you want everybody to think that estrogen is associated with male pattern baldness, just like it is (apparently) with BPH. What are you, five years old? :) Your leaps of the imagination are amusingly child-like, but you don't really have a clue what you're talking about. Go to school, and learn some science.
 

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abcdv12 said:
Presently i am only using psyllium ( dietary fiber) , which i beleive has reduced my hair fall significantly in the last 2 years. then again i am allready a nw6.

Yes, yes, yes. Dietary fiber!

Fiber lowers cholesterol, stabilizes blood sugar, binds to estrogens in the intestines (promoting excretion),increases sex hormone binding globulin, and promotes butyrate production (which lowers IGF-1)!
Think about it...The western diet is nearly deficient in fiber...ever hear of fiber pills?

Many other (unfortunate) countries don't have the luxury of eating all the high fat, high protein food as us...right? But they also don't have prostate cancer...they don't have breast cancer or colon cancer, diabetes/insulin resistance, atherosclerosis/heart disease...and they don't have acne or hair loss either!
 

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http://www.sitri.it/low_local_estrone_a ... /LLEA.html

It seems that ESTRONE is the best hormone to healthy hair not estradiol
Estrone increase Camp and Adenilcyclase.
Women with high level of Estradiol may have thinning hair.
The key could be the Progesteron.
This hormone increase the expression of an enzyme ( 17Beta HSD type 2) that convert Estradiol to Estrone and Testosterone to Androstenedione (lower potency). Androstenedione (via aromatase) became estrone...
Progesterone is falsely percived as a female hormone but healty men have high level of Progesterone than women in lutheal phese!
Progesterone is also an inibitor of 5 Alpha Reductase (type 1 and 2).
It's curious that also minoxidil and retinoic acid increases the activity of 17 Beta HSD type 2

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10098703

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18270252

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10999824
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1828548

Bye
 

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Andrea said:
http://www.sitri.it/low_local_estrone_alopecia/LLEA.html

It seems that ESTRONE is the best hormone to healthy hair not estradiol
Estrone increase Camp and Adenilcyclase.
Women with high level of Estradiol may have thinning hair.
The key could be the Progesteron.
This hormone increase the expression of an enzyme ( 17Beta HSD type 2) that convert Estradiol to Estrone and Testosterone to Androstenedione (lower potency). Androstenedione (via aromatase) became estrone...
Progesterone is falsely percived as a female hormone but healty men have high level of Progesterone than women in lutheal phese!
Progesterone is also an inibitor of 5 Alpha Reductase (type 1 and 2).
It's curious that also minoxidil and retinoic acid increases the activity of 17 Beta HSD type 2

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10098703

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18270252

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10999824
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1828548

Bye

Interesting...
 

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Andrea said:
http://www.sitri.it/low_local_estrone_alopecia/LLEA.html

It seems that ESTRONE is the best hormone to healthy hair not estradiol
Estrone increase Camp and Adenilcyclase.
Women with high level of Estradiol may have thinning hair.
The key could be the Progesteron.
This hormone increase the expression of an enzyme ( 17Beta HSD type 2) that convert Estradiol to Estrone and Testosterone to Androstenedione (lower potency). Androstenedione (via aromatase) became estrone...
Progesterone is falsely percived as a female hormone but healty men have high level of Progesterone than women in lutheal phese!
Progesterone is also an inibitor of 5 Alpha Reductase (type 1 and 2).
It's curious that also minoxidil and retinoic acid increases the activity of 17 Beta HSD type 2

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10098703

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18270252

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10999824
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1828548

Bye

What about estriol? I've heard that this estrogen also causes significant scalp hair thickening, especially during pregnancy.
 
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